Tobi was NOT scared of Itachi.

[bl4ckJack]

I have been seeing people say that Tobi was scared of Itachi and then claiming that Itachi>Tobi so I wanted to make this thread.

This is the VIZ translation of the manga, this what Tobi ACTUALLY said.

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:rofl: ... Now Its official ... You are the BIGGEST ITACHI hater of BASE ... Congratulation

I dont think I have to say anything .. .. from the first post u seem to defending urself pretty bad

btw .. Until Itachis Death neither Pain Nor Tobi did a sh!t to Konoha ... It proves u r wrong ....

and to prove ur wild theory how far u can go :sy:
Now ur saying The Translation is wrong .. I will be not Surprised If u say like this in the next thread --
" Kishi Is wrong ... he written the whole series wrong .. It should be like what Im saying "

btw ... Itachi > Kabuto all day ... (If u know Wat I mean )

 

[bl4ckJack]

Lol looks like we've got a shmegal here, he's arguing with himself

Dude .. Look At his Name .. KID-gamer .. Dont u Get it ..

 

[OnPoint]

To any unbiased reader it's clear there was no element of fear; rather, that of respect.

 

[shri3kbat]

Itachi has NO WAY to hit Tobi let alone defeat him.

Tsukuyomi and general genjutsu. Itachi was above Tobi's level. Itachi could easily trick him. I'd say Itachi is one of the few bad matchups for Tobi. Before Rinnegan Tobi would get owned by Itachi

 

[The 1 who knows]

Basically.. Not only that but when the massacre happened Tobi HAD to abide by Itachi's rules not to touch sasuke if tobi really wasnt scared of itachi he would have killed him, but he knew that Itachi would have destroyed him completely if he did that so he OBEYED Itachi



Your still forgetting his quote that Itachi
A) Would have killed him had he knew what tobi was really doing
B) Was definetly a problem in his plans which is why he was waiting for him to die

true! itachi owned him! all these super uchiha techniques have bn done by itachi n tobi hasnt done shiit yet!

 

[The 1 who knows]

Truth hurts right?

There is no way in hell itachi can beat obito. I want you to tell me how itachi can inflict any kind of damage to obito? How? He can't. Obito knows everything there is to know about itachi from his base sharingan to his MS. Amaterasu won't work on him manga proved that. Obito knows all about itachis tsukuyomi and wouldn't allow himself to be caught in it. How will susanoo hit obito if he can't be hit?!

Please explain to me how itachi beats him cause I just don't see it. I'm waiting...

pliiz.....itachi is an expert analyst af finding jutsu weakness.....and we all know obitos intangibility weakness + maybe gengetsu can work on him!

 

[The 1 who knows]

You know......if itachi was still alive........there would be no 4th nija war?
Now what does that tell you?

 

[lol99]

• Tobi didn't need kyuubi urgently

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Akatsuki hadn't captured Hachibi obviously, It is also clear that the kyuubi needed to be sealed away last in the gedo mazo else it will destabilize, so Tobi clearly wasn't in a hurry to get the kyuubi from konoha. This was perhaps the only reason why he would bother to engage konoha since the uchiha massacre was done already, Nothing much to do with konoha now except naruto

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• Tobi knew about itachi's plans

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He knew about Itachi's plans for sasuke, So he probably played along, he already knew that Itachi planned to awaken MS and later EMS in sasuke so he didn't bother with itachi since for some reason he needed sasuke at his full power (helping implant EMS) and went to whole lot of trouble to bring him to his side

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• Tobi also orders around nagato going so far as to bluntly say that he will not tolerate failure from him

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• He even treathens to kill sasuke if he betrays him despite sasuke being a part of his plans

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• Itachi's abilities

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Tsukuyomi-

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Tobi is an uchiha, has Sharingan, MS and knows about it from Madara. So he doesn't have to worry about this. Also tobi has genjutsu feats rivaling madara

Amaterasu-

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Tobi-Leave it to Itachi to set a post-mortem trap. I can't believe how well he plans ahead.

Sasuke-...
What are you talking about.

Tobi-In order to kill me, Itachi placed a jutsu in you.. or at least to keep me away from you.

?!

He literally trolled Amaterasu, not a scratch on him, most likely kamui or izanagi

Izanami-

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works by shared physical senses and tobi is the hardest to touch in the manga.

Susanoo- well pretty much useless

I don't see anything in Itachi's arsenal that Tobi has to fear

To sum it up

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Tobi didn't need kyuubi urgently so no need to engage konoha
Tobi's plans for sasuke somewhat coincided with itachi's plans for sasuke
Itachi did his work for him capturing jins so no need to engage itachi
Tobi doesn't have to fear any of Itachi's jutsus
Tobi would have done something about itachi if he came in between his work as he would have killed sasuke if he betrayed him

Tobi never feared itachi

 

[BladerItachi]

Tobi wasn't scared; he just respected Itachi as a powerful shinobi END OF!!!!!

 

[Blaze Release]

Scared isnt the word but rather mutual respect between the two

 

[hariorh]

Tobi didn't ever say he was scared of itachi and but really, I see no reason why he wouldn't take out itachi if he delayed his plans. He has no right to be scared of anyone since he is akatsuki's leader and must command respect by not showing his fear (that's if he ever had any). Also, it would be shameful for obito to show or state his fear of itachi considering the fact that he is older than him so let's forget who is scared of who here.

Someone said itachi didn't capture a single jinchuuriki. I remember when kisame captured the five-tails(yonbi), he told itachi that he was getting closer to his (itachi's) tally of captured beasts and itachi replied that he shouldn't get ahead of himself(kisame). Obviously, there was competition over who captured the most tailed beasts here.

Guys that say itachi can't beat obito... I wonder about that... Obito has 1 jutsu. (Space/time) while itachi has several up his sleeves. In terms of intelligence, itachi is way smarter than obito (he never even suspected that itachi would try to kill him even in death).

Also, itachi is a superior genjutsu user, second only to his friend shisui. We all saw what he did to a certain legendary sannin (mr orochimaru). Just 1 look and he humiliated the old fart, forcing him to quit the akatsuki cult. Oro still keeps the severed hand to this day. If u can't touch obito, u can at least mess with his mind and immobilize him making him a sitting duck to be cut into bits.

Obito has 1 eye. Itachi has two... Hmmmmm... Who is handicapped here?

Obito can suck itachi in but he has to touch him 1st (thereby risking himself being caught by izanami). And while sucking itachi in, susanoo might also be activated and I would love to see how obito will drag that in as well.

In terms of speed, obito is faster because of his ability to materialize/de-materialize, as well as his teleportation technique but he will fail massively if he goes toe to toe with itachi in close combat (taijutsu).

Itachi also uses clones to confuse his opponents making it harder to actually dodge his genjutsu.

Kakashi had obito's eye (eventhough he hadn't unlocked his kamui then) but we all saw what happened to uncle kakashi when he squared up with itachi.

I'm not overrating itachi but in terms of skill and techniques, it would be a miracle if obito managed to defeat him. Honestly!

 

[Meowazziel]

Didnt tobi say something like if itachi knew more about him, that he would have been dead?

 

[Themaskedblackid]

true very true

 

[hariorh]

I totally agree with u. But 1 thing I know about itachi is that he never underestimates just anybody, that's why he always makes use of his clones when battling opponents. Also, as a former anbu squad leader, he won't just jump into battle with anybody. He has to get enough information on the abilities of his adversary before engaging in combat. Too bad his illness didn't let us see him fight obito. If not, all this argument would be un-necessary.

 

[KidGamer65]

Tobi didn't ever say he was scared of itachi and but really, I see no reason why he wouldn't take out itachi if he delayed his plans. He has no right to be scared of anyone since he is akatsuki's leader and must command respect by not showing his fear (that's if he ever had any). Also, it would be shameful for obito to show or state his fear of itachi considering the fact that he is older than him so let's forget who is scared of who here.

Someone said itachi didn't capture a single jinchuuriki. I remember when kisame captured the five-tails(yonbi), he told itachi that he was getting closer to his (itachi's) tally of captured beasts and itachi replied that he shouldn't get ahead of himself(kisame). Obviously, there was competition over who captured the most tailed beasts here.

Guys that say itachi can't beat obito... I wonder about that... Obito has 1 jutsu. (Space/time) while itachi has several up his sleeves. In terms of intelligence, itachi is way smarter than obito (he never even suspected that itachi would try to kill him even in death).

Also, itachi is a superior genjutsu user, second only to his friend shisui. We all saw what he did to a certain legendary sannin (mr orochimaru). Just 1 look and he humiliated the old fart, forcing him to quit the akatsuki cult. Oro still keeps the severed hand to this day. If u can't touch obito, u can at least mess with his mind and immobilize him making him a sitting duck to be cut into bits.


Obito has 1 eye. Itachi has two... Hmmmmm... Who is handicapped here?

Obito can suck itachi in but he has to touch him 1st (thereby risking himself being caught by izanami). And while sucking itachi in, susanoo might also be activated and I would love to see how obito will drag that in as well.

In terms of speed, obito is faster because of his ability to materialize/de-materialize, as well as his teleportation technique but he will fail massively if he goes toe to toe with itachi in close combat (taijutsu).

Itachi also uses clones to confuse his opponents making it harder to actually dodge his genjutsu.

Kakashi had obito's eye (eventhough he hadn't unlocked his kamui then) but we all saw what happened to uncle kakashi when he squared up with itachi.

I'm not overrating itachi but in terms of skill and techniques, it would be a miracle if obito managed to defeat him. Honestly!

@bold1: Itachi may have more jutsu than Obito, but that one jutsu can render most of Itachi's jutsu useless.

@bold2: While he is intangible Genjutsu won't work since he is moving himself to the other dimension. Obito also has knowledge on Itachi's jutsu so he knows not to look in his eyes.

@bold3: Obito has 2 eyes, one MS and one normal Sharingan he can use for Izanagi.

@bold4: Itachi needs to touch his opponent multiple times for Izanami to work, to suck him in Tobi only needs one touch so if he tries Izanami Tobi will suck him in.

@bold5: Obito using his eye is better than Kakashi using Obito's eye.

 

[Tartarus]

If Itachi was stronger than Tobi why didn't he just kill him lol.

 

[thegame]

If Tobi was truly as strong as you state - at that given time, can you tell me why he didn't just absorb Naruto in the woods when he recklessly attacked him? He could have captured him so easy, and it wouldn't matter since Itachi would be gone later. Also Nagato knew all along, and so did Zetsu, it would be easy to still hide his identity to the remaining members of akatsuki... In general his skill and way to act has just been too random.
Itachi is determined, and he wouldn't miss a chance to kill Obito/Tobi if it appeared, however, he also thought it was Madara, and Itachi wasn't sure about his skills, which is the reason he never risked trying to kill him, since if he failed he knew he couldn't keep akatsuki out of konoha any longer..
Itachi is no doubt one of the smartest and thereby most skilled shinobi in history. His genjutsu level would exceed Obitos as well, how would Obito ever be able to kill Itachi? His only chance is to absorb him, but genjutsu will pown him, and at the right moment itachi will just strike.

Stop saying Obito is way over Itachi, I say we haven't enough info on Obitos skill in genjutsu and in fighting other sharingan users, since these sort of fights are very different. From what is known it's obvious that Itachi is more skilled..

 

[KidGamer65]

If Tobi was truly as strong as you state - at that given time, can you tell me why he didn't just absorb Naruto in the woods when he recklessly attacked him? He could have captured him so easy, and it wouldn't matter since Itachi would be gone later. Also Nagato knew all along, and so did Zetsu, it would be easy to still hide his identity to the remaining members of akatsuki... In general his skill and way to act has just been too random.
Itachi is determined, and he wouldn't miss a chance to kill Obito/Tobi if it appeared, however, he also thought it was Madara, and Itachi wasn't sure about his skills, which is the reason he never risked trying to kill him, since if he failed he knew he couldn't keep akatsuki out of konoha any longer..
Itachi is no doubt one of the smartest and thereby most skilled shinobi in history. His genjutsu level would exceed Obitos as well, how would Obito ever be able to kill Itachi? His only chance is to absorb him, but genjutsu will pown him, and at the right moment itachi will just strike.

Stop saying Obito is way over Itachi, I say we haven't enough info on Obitos skill in genjutsu and in fighting other sharingan users, since these sort of fights are very different. From what is known it's obvious that Itachi is more skilled..

Tobi doesn't have to look in Itachi's eyes to absorb him.

Tobi has one way to beat Itachi, but Itachi has no way to defeat Tobi.

@bold: That's obviously cause of plot, why would Kishimoto have the main character be captured in the middle of the series. It exactly the same for when Tobi took Naruto by surprise during the Kage Summit Arc, he could have gotten him then and there, but he didn't, due to plot.

Obito's genjutsu is obviously above par, he was able to use Genjutsu to control a Perfect Jinchuuriki- Yagura.

 

[Takos]

People need to get their facts straight.

Obito never said Itachi could have defeated him. He only stated that if THEORETICALLY Itachi knew his secrets.
Fanboys who think Itachi could own Obito even back then, say, why didn't he do it? Instead he resorted to cheap assassination tricks which Obito commented to be a failure? The answer is really simple - because Itachi knew he wouldn't kill him.

As for my personal opinion, Itachi would stand some slight chances against pre-Rinnegan Obito, but not much more.

 

[nNoma]

Your missing the point. Whether Itachi knew his secrets or not is moot. The point in that sentence was that Obito said Itachi could have killed him.

It's actually a huge deciding factor in determining the winner in a fight, to say that it doesn't matter whether or not Itachi knew Obito's secrets makes little sense.

Think about it this way, in the fight between Pain and Jiraiya, Pain said that Jiraiya could have defeated him if he knew of his secrets. But Jiraiya lost, and that is why...get what I'm saying? The connection is there, the point is the same.