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[Shadowkiller56]

Re: i have my own theory on who tobi is...

I highly doubt it. If he was Fugaku, then Sasuke would have recognised him when he slightly took off his mask.

 

[sauskeuchihakillz]

Re: i have my own theory on who tobi is...

My thought huh another tobi thread !!!
But not bad +rep bro interesting theory

Thanks i just wanted to know if it made sence to anybody

 

[sauskeuchihakillz]

Re: i have my own theory on who tobi is...

I highly doubt it. If he was Fugaku, then Sasuke would have recognised him when he slightly took off his mask.

yeah but as you could see only some of his face was shown and the part that was shown showed his undereye bags just like itachi has...

 

[0moi]

Re: i have my own theory on who tobi is...

The name "Fugaku" is an alias, or alternative name, for Mt. Fuji in Japan. While the origin for Mt. Fuji's name isn't 100% clear, a Japanese text says it gained its name from the word "immortal" (Fuji). Tobi is called immortal by many characters in Naruto.

Another origin of the name of Mt. Fuji says that it gained its name from an idea of "an abundance (fu) of soldiers (shi/ji)". Tobi has 100,000 soldiers at his bidding.

Another Japanese folklore says that Fuji came from the words "not" and "two". In Japan, this translates as "without equal" or "having no equal". That would explain his character as the main antagonist.

That regards Fugaku's name.

For appearances, when Tobi removed his mask, it was clear that the man is aged and has 2 bags under his eyes. If you look closer, there's also Fugaku's and Itachi's prominent facial creases. Fugaku was 40 at his apparent death. The story has since moved on 10 years, giving an appropriate age for the man under the mask.

Now on to the plot:

Fugaku needed an alias. His name is not feared and won't gather immediate respect. Thus, he took on "Madara" as both of their ideals are similar. Since their ideals are similar, no one would question if he was really Madara.

Fugaku wanted the Uchiha Clan to control Konoha. He didn't like the way his clan was treated. This was well known throughout the higher ups of Konoha. Thus, when the 9-Tails attacked, Fugaku and the Uchiha were suspected of planning it. Fugaku was also noticeably absent during the attack as mentioned by Itachi.

Where was he you may ask? He was busy attacking Minato as "Tobi/Madara". When he failed to destroy Konoha and the elders, he had to re-think his plan.

What he came up with was the Eye of the Moon Plan. It was then where he decided to gather Hashirama's DNA in order to obtain Izanagi and greater powers. Since these bodily experiments would be rather obvious, he had his reliable servant, Zetsu, make a clone of him before starting. From that day on, it was the Zetsu clone that took his place in Konoha.

After some time, Tobi approached Konoha in order to attack again. However, Itachi intercepted him and made a deal, oblivious of the fact that it was really his father. But why would Fugaku make a deal that would kill off his entire clan?

First off, Itachi had fallen out of favor from his father. Fugaku thought Itachi would be the clan's saving member. However, it became painfully obvious that Itachi wasn't interested in doing what's best for the clan.
Since killing the entire clan would make Itachi a rogue shinobi, this was the perfect opportunity for Itachi to help Fugaku. As a rogue shinobi, he would be hired into Akatsuki, unwillingly helping Fugaku to achieve his master plan.

Also, this would kill his Zetsu clone, significant because if left unharmed, the clone would theoretically not age. This would reveal that it's not really Fugaku.

Another reason is the development of Sasuke. Sasuke had recently gained his father's trust, though not as much as Itachi had. Knowing that anger can drive a person without end, killing off his clan and family would jump-start a potential powerful shinobi.

This worked out perfectly for Fugaku.

Fugaku now has his ideal son working for him in Itachi. If Itachi still doesn't work out, Fugaku has Sasuke in the background, increasingly becoming stronger. He also has fame and reputation as "Madara".

Now for some miscellaneous details:
Naruto and Sasuke will be forever intertwined. The same goes for their family and blood.

During the 9-Tails' attack, it was revealed that Kushina and Mikoto Uchiha (Sasuke's mother) are friends, and good ones at that. Mikoto was also said to be missing during the 9-Tails' attack. She was noticeably compliant with Fugaku's ideals of the Uchiha taking over. Thus, she told Fugaku of Kushina's pregnancy, giving him the perfect time to release the 9-Tails. That's a connection for their mothers.

For their fathers, they fought during the 9-Tails' attack. One was the Child of Prophecy that potentially could bring world peace, while the other wanted to have world domination, in his own sense of "peace".

This theory isn't perfect, but hey, Kishi has a lot of explaining to do with Tobi anyway.

I already explained the majority one this, except for the part of Fugaku being Tobi, Fugaku most likely relayed the message of Kushina being in labor from Mikoto back to Danzou. Danzou is notoriously known in Konoha for making deal with Hanzou, only to double cross him later on down the line. Whose to say he didn't make a deal with Fugaku for Tobi attack on Konoha but failed?

Danzou blamed the Tobi attack on the Uchiha. Uchiha find out Danzou put all the blame on them to keep his true motives hidden, Uchiha plan to reveal Danzou is Tobi. What should Danzou do? Ummmm massacre the clan with help from 1 of their elites (Itachi).

I do believe Fugaku helped with the 1st Tobi attack, but he's not Tobi.

Also you seem to forget he was killed along with his wife(Mikoto) in front of his son(Sasuke) by his other son(Itachi)

Not to mention Fugaku had no ill will against his clan; like Madara. All he wanted to do was bring his clan back to it's former glory. Him taking part in the massacre makes no sense really (again.... he died in that massacre....)

 

[sauskeuchihakillz]

Re: i have my own theory on who tobi is...

I already explained the majority one this, except for the part of Fugaku being Tobi, Fugaku most likely relayed the message of Kushina being in labor from Mikoto back to Danzou. Danzou is notoriously known in Konoha for making deal with Hanzou, only to double cross him later on down the line. Whose to say he didn't make a deal with Fugaku for Tobi attack on Konoha but failed?

Danzou blamed the Tobi attack on the Uchiha. Uchiha find out Danzou put all the blame on them to keep his true motives hidden, Uchiha plan to reveal Danzou is Tobi. What should Danzou do? Ummmm massacre the clan with help from 1 of their elites (Itachi).

I do believe Fugaku helped with the 1st Tobi attack, but he's not Tobi.

Also you seem to forget he was killed along with his wife(Mikoto) in front of his son(Sasuke) by his other son(Itachi)

Not to mention Fugaku had no ill will against his clan; like Madara. All he wanted to do was bring his clan back to it's former glory. Him taking part in the massacre makes no sense really (again.... he died in that massacre....)

yeah but like i said remember when kisame died against the double lariat but it was a clone? maybe that happend.... just saying that its not alwayss what you think it might be

 

[~Dream~]

Good theory it could be possible but honestly, all Tobi threada are useless because we'll never know who he is. Kishi could make him someone that's not on a list maybe Tobi can be Karin or SASUKE.

 

[alexu9696]

Yeah Izuna is still the best theory ( and the most logical ) ! i hope kishi will show this soon

 

[Aze]

Re: i have my own theory on who tobi is...

I already explained the majority one this, except for the part of Fugaku being Tobi, Fugaku most likely relayed the message of Kushina being in labor from Mikoto back to Danzou. Danzou is notoriously known in Konoha for making deal with Hanzou, only to double cross him later on down the line. Whose to say he didn't make a deal with Fugaku for Tobi attack on Konoha but failed?

Danzou blamed the Tobi attack on the Uchiha. Uchiha find out Danzou put all the blame on them to keep his true motives hidden, Uchiha plan to reveal Danzou is Tobi. What should Danzou do? Ummmm massacre the clan with help from 1 of their elites (Itachi).

I do believe Fugaku helped with the 1st Tobi attack, but he's not Tobi.

Also you seem to forget he was killed along with his wife(Mikoto) in front of his son(Sasuke) by his other son(Itachi)

Not to mention Fugaku had no ill will against his clan; like Madara. All he wanted to do was bring his clan back to it's former glory. Him taking part in the massacre makes no sense really (again.... he died in that massacre....)

Danzo helped Tobi = To pass through the secret barriers most likely.

 

[0moi]

Yeah Izuna is still the best theory ( and the most logical ) ! i hope kishi will show this soon

You..... lol

yeah but like i said remember when kisame died against the double lariat but it was a clone? maybe that happend.... just saying that its not alwayss what you think it might be

Zetsu clones don't bleed(from what we've seen so far), Itachi slit Fugaku's throat, he died chief

Danzo helped Tobi = To pass through the secret barriers most likely.

Oooor, bare with me here..... Danzou iiiiis Tobi *does quack scientist gesture*

 

[HiddenWarrior]

Might be off-topic but just because you don't have a particular last name doesn't mean you're not a descendant of that family/individual. Marriages change last names and over time blood is diluted by breeding with other families. Half of the village could be of senju blood more or less, for all we know.

 

[0moi]

Might be off-topic but just because you don't have a particular last name doesn't mean you're not a descendant of that family/individual. Marriages change last names and over time blood is diluted by breeding with other families. Half of the village could be of senju blood more or less, for all we know.

You're actually not off topic at all, many believe to this day that the Hyuuga are relatives of the Uchiha. I kinda think all the clans with doujutu are related in one way or another. It is a fact that the Senju are related to the Uzumaki. So maybe the clans with enhanced physical abilities are related to the Senju as well.

As we know the younger son thought Love was the key to peace, while the elder son thought Power was the key to peace. See where I'm going with this?;
Younger Son was a friendly guy who liked to meet people; gaining LOVE ~ Naruto
Elder Son was a secluded guy who trained alone & stayed to himself; gaining POWER ~ Sasuke

Soooo Y. Son's descendants(Senju) most likely breeded with other clans, being loving like their ancestor, while E. Son's descendants(Uchiha) kept to themselves, like their ancestor. Which would explain the small amount of Doujutu wielding clans. Maybe some of E. Son's descendants got tempted by curiousity, or love maybe?

Sounds funny but logical too lol

REP+ chief

 

[Lambdadelta]

At this current point and time unless Kishi screws up his own info I am absolutely confident that behind Tobis mask is Kagami.

Let me elaborate:

First of all:

Why did he go by the name of Madara?

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"Why did the masked man claim that he is Madara?"
"Madara is more than a man, he is an Ideal."​

That info is highly important as we were informed about something that shows just how much power the name as well as more info on why taking his Ideals to hear.
I present this:

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It was Nidaime who screwed them over, lying about his sign of trust as it was merely a method to surveille them as well as distancing the Uchiha from the village.Ultimately I point to the 3rd Panel.
"Some of the Uchiha realized what was going on.Some Rebels began to follow in my footsteps."
I bring your attention to the stone monument behind them having Madara written on it.
And consider this as well: Why did he chose the name "Tobi"?

Evidence for Kagami?​

There are several indications Kagami was among the Rebels, most namely by looking at some panels from the past and present.

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"Long time no see Danzo...since the Uchiha Incident isn't it?"
Uchiha Incident is the key here.One would immediately think of the Massacre but matter of fact is there were 2.

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The Kyuubi Incident where the Uchiha Leaders suspected an Uchiha behind the Incident.Naturally they were right however I bring your attention to this:

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The elders suspected an Uchiha and who are the two ones from their Gen not fighting alongside them?Kagami and Danzo.
We know Danzo and Tobi met during a Kyuubi Incident and incidentally the Elders suspecting an Uchiha makes absolute sense this way.
Two of their Teammates were missing.One being an Uchiha.
And I bring attention to this:

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Kushina herself stated that the info of the Birth was highly secret with few elders knowing about it.I once again point to Tobi somehow gathering knowledge about the birth.So yes:
The Elders suspected Kagami because he was missing.
At the same time Danzo sold out the info to Kagami.​

One can also see a pattern of how Kagami fits into the Uchiha Massacre.
Consider the ones who are behind it with the Elders.
Homura,Koharu,Hiruzen and Danzo.
Add Kagami to the bunch and you have nothing else but 5 of his last team being involved in their downfall.
And this brings me to Torifu.
We were shown he survived the Kyuubi Incident yet for some reason his status past that is unknown.
Meanwhile we know Tobi played some role in the Night of the Uchihas massacre.
And for a matter of fact, Tobi had a different mask back then than his two last ones.
In other words there must be a reason for Tobi to have changed his mask as we know he only changed the last one due to it being destroyed.
I propose this:
Tobi's reason of mask changed was that it got destroyed on that very Night.
Incidentally the absence of Torifu despite showing his survival is highly suspicious even for a Minor Character.
So yes on that very night:
Torifu and Tobi engaged in a fight resulting in the latters mask being shattered.
However for Torifu he was welcomed by a face he knew, that being the face of his friend Kagami who silenced his comrade.
The set is complete.The reason for the new mask given.And we can see a majorly pattern.
Homura,Koharu,Torifu,Kagami,Hiruzen,Danzo.
All 6 people playing a important role in the massacre of the Uchiha.
Incidentally, I note to the masked man using the name TOBI.
Matter of fact this pattern leaves us with my final points:

Who was the one that caused the Uchiha to began rebelling thus possibly resulting in the birth of Tobi and the entire mess we know thus far?
It was,Nidaime, TOBIrama Senju.

Who are the ones the sealed the very fate of these very Uchiha who planned a Coup and are the key figures if my theory is right?
Koharu,Hiruzen,Homura,Kagami,Danzo and Torifu.
Incidentally the last Team of Tobirama who caused this mess.


My final thought:
Kagami had become one of the Uchiha Rebels due to Tobirama screwing them over ultimately becoming Madaras ally.
The reason he chose the name Tobi is out of resentment towards his former friend, the reason he chose the name Madara was to continue on his legacy and the Moons Eye Plan.
This explains his hatred towards both Senju and Uchiha.
Madara hated the Senju due to their surpremacy but hated his clan for turning their backs on him when he needed them most.
After seeing what his friend Tobirama had done, he saw Madaras Ideals as right and began resenting his own clan as well as if they would have followed Madara the Surpremacy of the Senju wouldn't even exist.
After the death of the real Madara became Madara himself.
However due to this he needed someone to inject the Hashirama Cells into his body which is where Orochimaru came in.
This marked the day where Orochimaru got his hands on Hashiramas DNA thus beginning his experiments on the Children with Yamato surviving.

 

[alexu9696]

At this current point and time unless Kishi screws up his own info I am absolutely confident that behind Tobis mask is Kagami.

Let me elaborate:

First of all:

Why did he go by the name of Madara?

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"Why did the masked man claim that he is Madara?"
"Madara is more than a man, he is an Ideal."​

That info is highly important as we were informed about something that shows just how much power the name as well as more info on why taking his Ideals to hear.
I present this:

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It was Nidaime who screwed them over, lying about his sign of trust as it was merely a method to surveille them as well as distancing the Uchiha from the village.Ultimately I point to the 3rd Panel.
"Some of the Uchiha realized what was going on.Some Rebels began to follow in my footsteps."
I bring your attention to the stone monument behind them having Madara written on it.
And consider this as well: Why did he chose the name "Tobi"?

Evidence for Kagami?​

There are several indications Kagami was among the Rebels, most namely by looking at some panels from the past and present.

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"Long time no see Danzo...since the Uchiha Incident isn't it?"
Uchiha Incident is the key here.One would immediately think of the Massacre but matter of fact is there were 2.

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

The Kyuubi Incident where the Uchiha Leaders suspected an Uchiha behind the Incident.Naturally they were right however I bring your attention to this:

You must be registered for see links

The elders suspected an Uchiha and who are the two ones from their Gen not fighting alongside them?Kagami and Danzo.
We know Danzo and Tobi met during a Kyuubi Incident and incidentally the Elders suspecting an Uchiha makes absolute sense this way.
Two of their Teammates were missing.One being an Uchiha.
And I bring attention to this:

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Kushina herself stated that the info of the Birth was highly secret with few elders knowing about it.I once again point to Tobi somehow gathering knowledge about the birth.So yes:
The Elders suspected Kagami because he was missing.
At the same time Danzo sold out the info to Kagami.​

One can also see a pattern of how Kagami fits into the Uchiha Massacre.
Consider the ones who are behind it with the Elders.
Homura,Koharu,Hiruzen and Danzo.
Add Kagami to the bunch and you have nothing else but 5 of his last team being involved in their downfall.
And this brings me to Torifu.
We were shown he survived the Kyuubi Incident yet for some reason his status past that is unknown.
Meanwhile we know Tobi played some role in the Night of the Uchihas massacre.
And for a matter of fact, Tobi had a different mask back then than his two last ones.
In other words there must be a reason for Tobi to have changed his mask as we know he only changed the last one due to it being destroyed.
I propose this:
Tobi's reason of mask changed was that it got destroyed on that very Night.
Incidentally the absence of Torifu despite showing his survival is highly suspicious even for a Minor Character.
So yes on that very night:
Torifu and Tobi engaged in a fight resulting in the latters mask being shattered.
However for Torifu he was welcomed by a face he knew, that being the face of his friend Kagami who silenced his comrade.
The set is complete.The reason for the new mask given.And we can see a majorly pattern.
Homura,Koharu,Torifu,Kagami,Hiruzen,Danzo.
All 6 people playing a important role in the massacre of the Uchiha.
Incidentally, I note to the masked man using the name TOBI.
Matter of fact this pattern leaves us with my final points:

Who was the one that caused the Uchiha to began rebelling thus possibly resulting in the birth of Tobi and the entire mess we know thus far?
It was,Nidaime, TOBIrama Senju.

Who are the ones the sealed the very fate of these very Uchiha who planned a Coup and are the key figures if my theory is right?
Koharu,Hiruzen,Homura,Kagami,Danzo and Torifu.
Incidentally the last Team of Tobirama who caused this mess.


My final thought:
Kagami had become one of the Uchiha Rebels due to Tobirama screwing them over ultimately becoming Madaras ally.
The reason he chose the name Tobi is out of resentment towards his former friend, the reason he chose the name Madara was to continue on his legacy and the Moons Eye Plan.
This explains his hatred towards both Senju and Uchiha.
Madara hated the Senju due to their surpremacy but hated his clan for turning their backs on him when he needed them most.
After seeing what his friend Tobirama had done, he saw Madaras Ideals as right and began resenting his own clan as well as if they would have followed Madara the Surpremacy of the Senju wouldn't even exist.
After the death of the real Madara became Madara himself.
However due to this he needed someone to inject the Hashirama Cells into his body which is where Orochimaru came in.
This marked the day where Orochimaru got his hands on Hashiramas DNA thus beginning his experiments on the Children with Yamato surviving.

You failed in so many ways ..... i cant even star with what you did wrong .... even the obito theory has more sense then kagami .... and the obito theory is very dumb:sy: ... imagine your theory how dumb it is :sy:

 

[Lambdadelta]

You failed in so many ways ..... i cant even star with what you did wrong .... even the obito theory has more sense then kagami .... and the obito theory is very dumb:sy: ... imagine your theory how dumb it is :sy:

Then point out the flaws please.
Uchiha Rebels wanting to follow Madaras footsteps = Canon.
Madara being an Ideal = Canon.
Madara working with Noone = Canon.
Noone using Madaras name = Canon
Tobirama being the reason the rebels became Madara followers = Canon.
Noone going by the name of Tobi = Canon.
Tobi having top secret info about Narutos birth = Canon.
Tobi and Danzo meeting during a Uchiha Incident = Canon.
Kagami and Danzo missing during the Kyuubi Incident which was blamed on the Uchiha = Canon.
Tobi having a Link to Orochimaru = Canon.
Orochimaru somehow having obtained Hashiramas DNA = Canon.
Tobi and Madara being in the posession of Hashiramas DNA = Canon.
4 members of Tobiramas old Team deciding the Massacre = Canon.
Meanwhile a masked man of all things calling himself Tobi is operating in the shadows of the Massacre = Canon.
The Elders suspected an Uchiha = Canon.
Kagami is an Uchiha who was missing from fighting alongside his Team during the Kyuubi Incident = Canon.
Tobi changing his mask after the Massacre = Canon.
Torifus status unknown despite it being shown he survived the Kyuubi Incident = Canon.
Tobis actions during the Uchiha Massacre being unknown = Canon.

If you call this dumb then I truly question your ability of Logic as everything fits together perfectly as its Manga Canon with each piece fitting to another.
Calling my theory dumb is going against the Manga Canon as everything I used is supported by Manga Canon.

 

[0moi]

You failed in so many ways ..... i cant even star with what you did wrong .... even the obito theory has more sense then kagami .... and the obito theory is very dumb:sy: ... imagine your theory how dumb it is :sy:

Now Alex you know the rules, don't bash the n00bs, he knows no better lol. But yea the whole Kagami even being a factor at this point is irrelevant

The Kyuubi Incident where the Uchiha Leaders suspected an Uchiha behind the Incident.

Yea the Uchiha suspected the Uchiha of.... wait WTH you mean Konohagakure Elders right?.... I also advise you to use the manga chapters from NB for future references, the translation from the website in you links is flawed;

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for example, it shows Danzou, Homura, & Koharu (The Konohagakure Elders) yet it says The Uchiha Leaders

 

[Lambdadelta]

Now Alex you know the rules, don't bash the n00bs, he knows no better lol. But yea the whole Kagami even being a factor at this point is irrelevant

The Kyuubi Incident where the Uchiha Leaders suspected an Uchiha behind the Incident.

Yea the Uchiha suspected the Uchiha of.... wait WTH you mean Konohagakure Elders right?.... I also advise you to use the manga chapters from NB for future references, the translation from the website in you links is flawed;

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for example, it shows Danzou, Homura, & Koharu (The Konohagakure Elders) yet it says The Uchiha Leaders

Meh.Happens when I read it on multiple sites.
Thanks though.

Doesn't really change my point though.

 

[jimmyonishi]

Yeah Izuna is still the best theory ( and the most logical ) ! i hope kishi will show this soon

I think it would be too obvious to make it Izuna, him being Madara's brother and all.

 

[phantom1]

i thing tobi is Not the ten tail he got the eye from pain and pain got it from madra . he was dieing from of 1 hokage U_UU_UU_UU_UU_UU_UU_UU_UU_UU_UU_UU_UU_UU_UU_UU_UU_U:noc::noc::noc::noc::noc::noc::noc::noc::noc::noc::noc::noc::noc:

Congrats on your first post, have an ice cream. :ice:

 

[alexu9696]

Then point out the flaws please.
Uchiha Rebels wanting to follow Madaras footsteps = Canon.
Madara being an Ideal = Canon.
Madara working with Noone = Canon.
Noone using Madaras name = Canon
Tobirama being the reason the rebels became Madara followers = Canon.
Noone going by the name of Tobi = Canon.
Tobi having top secret info about Narutos birth = Canon.
Tobi and Danzo meeting during a Uchiha Incident = Canon.
Kagami and Danzo missing during the Kyuubi Incident which was blamed on the Uchiha = Canon.
Tobi having a Link to Orochimaru = Canon.
Orochimaru somehow having obtained Hashiramas DNA = Canon.
Tobi and Madara being in the posession of Hashiramas DNA = Canon.
4 members of Tobiramas old Team deciding the Massacre = Canon.
Meanwhile a masked man of all things calling himself Tobi is operating in the shadows of the Massacre = Canon.
The Elders suspected an Uchiha = Canon.
Kagami is an Uchiha who was missing from fighting alongside his Team during the Kyuubi Incident = Canon.
Tobi changing his mask after the Massacre = Canon.
Torifus status unknown despite it being shown he survived the Kyuubi Incident = Canon.
Tobis actions during the Uchiha Massacre being unknown = Canon.

If you call this dumb then I truly question your ability of Logic as everything fits together perfectly as its Manga Canon with each piece fitting to another.
Calling my theory dumb is going against the Manga Canon as everything I used is supported by Manga Canon.

Just to show you how my logic is far superior to your logic i will double post my theory of tobi is izuna theory

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Criteria For Tobi’s Identity

1) He is from the time of Hashirama Senju, and needs to be someone the Kyuubi would instantly recognize.

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He is instantly recognized by the Kyuubi, who as far as we know has been sealed away in an Uzumaki jinchuuriki ever since the battle at the Valley of the End, where Uzumaki Mito sealed it into herself. There are no reports of the Kyuubi having broken free aside from in Yondaime’s time. This means that Tobi is someone the Kyuubi met during the time of Hashirama.

Given the way in which he speaks of past events, he has first-hand knowledge of and was emotionally investment in the Uchiha/Senju conflict.

Izuna fits: Uchiha Izuna was from this time period, and for obvious reasons, was personally and emotionally invested in fighting the Senju.

2) He has to have a credible reason for being pissed off at the Uchiha’s making peace with the Senju, and needs to be personally, emotionally invested in Uchiha Izuna’s eyes being given to Uchiha Madara.

“What kind of monster would hurt his beloved younger brother?! All I ever wanted was to protect the Uchiha clan! […] My younger brother accepted his role and willingly gave his eyes to me….[Tobi clenches his arms in anger]. What happened to the hatred we had for them?! What did my brother sacrifice his eyes for?!”

Izuna fits: He has ample reason to be pissed off at the Uchiha, even more so than Uchiha Madara; he sacrificed his eyes and possibly his life to give Madara the EMS in order to protect the Uchiha in their fight against the Senju, only to have them go and make peace? Why did he sacrifice his eyes and his life for them, then?!

3) He has a credible reason for claiming that the eyes Nagato had “were [his] to begin with.”

Izuna fits: If we accept the likelihood that Nagato’s eyes used to be Uchiha Madara’s (who is the only person we know which awakened the Rinnegan), then we also accept that Nagato’s eyes originally belonged to Uchiha Izuna’s, as we know that Uchiha Madara’s EMS eyes originally belonged to Izuna. Izuna fits this perfectly; no one else has a better credible reason to claim Nagato’s eyes “were his to begin with” than Izuna.

4) He needs to be a person whom Uchiha Madara will trust with his own life and rebirth.

Madara trusted Tobi to bring him back to life with Nagato’s powers. This is a major deal. Who would whant to ressurect an arrogant bastard like Madara unless he was your brother .... only the love of a brother would accept Madara

If we accept Madara’s statement that he awakened the Rinnegan shortly before his death, then this also means that he had only a very short period of time to transplant the Rinnegan into child Nagato. This means that he was 100%, utterly dependent on Tobi to carry out the ‘plan’ he mentioned to Kabuto, which included his resurrection.

Madara also gave Tobi access to the Hashirama-related power which he had nearly died for; an incredible show of trust.

Izuna fits: He is Uchiha Madara’s younger brother, and brotherly ties are a major focal point of this manga. We know that Rinnei Tensei can bring the dead back to life, and we know that Uchiha Madara gained the Rinnegan before dying. It would make sense if he used the Rinnegan to bring back Izuna.

Counter-Argument: Nagato wasn’t able to bring back Jiraiya because he had died too long ago! How could Madara bring back Izuna, who had died even longer ago!

Response: Uchiha Madara planned to use Nagato to bring himself back to life. If we accept that Madara died while Nagato was a child (which is necessary, as Nagato was given the Rinnegan as a child), and that Nagato was expected to ‘grow’ into his power, then this shows Madara thought it was fully possible for Nagato to resurrect him, despite years having passed. Which indicates that it is also fully possible for Madara to resurrect Izuna, despite years having passed.

5) He needs to have a credible grudge against Konoha, and has to have waited a long time for his vengeance against Konoha.
Spoken to Kushina: “Do you have any idea how long I’ve waited for this moment?!”

Izuna fits: His reason for a grudge against Konoha are obvious and profound; he gave his eyes to fight against the Senju who controlled the village, then eventually expelled his brother out from it. If we accept that he died or was maimed back in Hashirama’s days, then he has been waiting a long, long time indeed for his vengeance.

6) Tobi needs to be an Uchiha.

Although not Madara, Tobi still needs to have an Uchiha’s body; he uses the sharingan with expertise not seen outside a native Uchiha, and does not appear to have any problems with his body not being suited for the sharingan.

Izuna fits: Self-explanatory.

7) Tobi has to have a credible reason for being at least partly made out of Zetsu goo, even as far back as the fight with Yondaime.

Izuna somewhat fits: Tobi claims that Uchiha Izuna died in battle after losing his eyes. Knowing that Rinnei Tensi is capable of bringing the dead back, and also knowing that Zetsu goo is based off of Hashirama’s DNA, it’s credible that for Madara to bring Izuna back, he had to use Zetsu goo for whatever reason. Admittedly, more data is required here.

8) He has an old, wrinkly face, despite being partially made out of Zetsu goo.

Izuna fits: If we accept that Izuna was brought back to life with the Rinnegan while Nagato was a child, then at least 30+ years have passed, as we know that Nagato (being Jiraiya’s first disciple) should be as old or older than Minato. If Izuna was brought back in a partially ‘real’ body which aged, and if he had died in his 20’s, then he would now be in his 50’s or 60’s, explaining the wrinkly face. This is also supported by the fact that he indicates if Itachi knew some of his secrets, the Amaterasu would have killed him, indicating that at least part of him was non-Zetsu goo and thus vulnerable to being killed.

Note: The biggest clue is that " Tobi is a good boy " meaning Izuna was a good brother to Madara but turn evil to get revenge for Madara.... i belive kishi is making a switch deja vu like Itachi and Sasuke .... Madara and Izuna

 

[NamikazeNagato]

Just to show you how my logic is far superior to your logic i will double post my theory of tobi is izuna theory

Your theory fails too because if Izuna was revived with Rinne Tensei, he wouldn't have his eyes as Rinne Tensei does not do that. If it does, give me proof and if your proof is, "Well, Nagato was meant to revive Madara! Would that mean Madara wouldn't have his eyes?". Yes, because he would take Nagato's Rinnegan ... :sy: