[Theory] Tobi: Thread for all Tobi theories and related discussions .

[Sasuke2]

The sad thing is that most people either have no idea or are confused how Edo Tensei works ... if Izuna was to be revived with it, it would be with both his eyes ... not eyeless.
Sasori died as a piece of flesh in a wooden puppet, yet got revived as a human.
Nagato died crippled with rods through his body, revived as normal ... the reason for he couldn't use his legs well had nothing to do with them being burned YEEEEARS ago, they already healed.
He just wasn't using his legs for like 20 years so his brain has lost contact with them.

So the excuse: "Kabuto didn't revive Izuna cause a blind Uchiha is pointless" is invalid.

 

[Aze]

The sad thing is that most people either have no idea or are confused how Edo Tensei works ... if Izuna was to be revived with it, it would be with both his eyes ... not eyeless.
Sasori died as a piece of flesh in a wooden puppet, yet got revived as a human.
Nagato died crippled with rods through his body, revived as normal ... the reason for he couldn't use his legs well had nothing to do with them being burned YEEEEARS ago, they already healed.
He just wasn't using his legs for like 20 years so his brain has lost contact with them.

So the excuse: "Kabuto didn't revive Izuna cause a blind Uchiha is pointless" is invalid.

Tobi could be Izunas Son = but stronger than Madara and Izuna combined.

Or he could be Izuna himself = faked hes death = and transplanted new sharingan.

Kagami = son of Madara or Izuna = seeking revenge upon Ninja world = and helping Madara in the "Moons eye plan".


Tobi is a Magician = He will want to make a world an Infinite Illusion.

 

[Amelius]

The sad thing is that most people either have no idea or are confused how Edo Tensei works ... if Izuna was to be revived with it, it would be with both his eyes ... not eyeless.
Sasori died as a piece of flesh in a wooden puppet, yet got revived as a human.
Nagato died crippled with rods through his body, revived as normal ... the reason for he couldn't use his legs well had nothing to do with them being burned YEEEEARS ago, they already healed.
He just wasn't using his legs for like 20 years so his brain has lost contact with them.

So the excuse: "Kabuto didn't revive Izuna cause a blind Uchiha is pointless" is invalid.

The only thing you came with it that has a point is Sasori which I would agree is alittle puzzling, However it was a piece of human flesh, Therefore revived in his "human" form. Also just a FYI, the ash encases the sacrifice's body, giving them the same appearance that the reincarnated had at the time of their death., and since Sasori was a human albeit in a puppet body he came back as a human. Therefore Izuna equals no eyes, because he had no eyes long before he died. It might be that you are confused on how the impure resurrection summon works!

 

[Amelius]

As for why kabuto did not revive him, Kabuto stated himself he had many failures in the summons, perhaps there was not enough DNA of Izuna to revive him. Izuna died long before Madara so there just could have not been enough DNA. Blind would not have made him powerless so I dont see that being the reason why!

 

[Sasuke2]

People really have no idea ... Just a note: Shisui died COMPLETELY BLIND, yet an Edo Shisui would have had both eyes

 

[AwesomeBoba]

Edo tensei revives people according to the DNA collected, completely natural and unaltered. For example, Itachi's eye was transplanted to Sasuke's and Nagato's was to Tobi but they were still revived with it. So when revived, the person is exactly in the stage of life as when he died, but still natural with no altercations. So, if a person's arm was broken when he died, when revived the said person is revived with no injuries or anything, and Izuna would still retain his eyes.

 

[Amelius]

People really have no idea ... Just a note: Shisui died COMPLETELY BLIND, yet an Edo Shisui would have had both eyes

Prove it! Nothing that has been revealed about how The Impure Summon operates even remotely suggests your theory. At least the majority of the people threading/debating on this thread have at least something tangible to back up their theory, but you have nothing, either prove it or keep your opinion about "how other people have no clue" to yourself, you're making your self look stupid!

 

[Sasuke2]

Prove it! Nothing that has been revealed about how The Impure Summon operates even remotely suggests your theory. At least the majority of the people threading/debating on this thread have at least something tangible to back up their theory, but you have nothing, either prove it or keep your opinion about "how other people have no clue" to yourself, you're making your self look stupid!

Idiot ... read what the guy above has said, also Kabuto wanted to revive Shisui and he died blind.
Eyes are part of ur DNA, it's not like when you die, they vanish from it.

 

[Amelius]

Idiot ... read what the guy above has said, also Kabuto wanted to revive Shisui and he died blind.
Eyes are part of ur DNA, it's not like when you die, they vanish from it.

Correct, he backed up his theory, which I will discuss with him in a minute, You did not and were basically calling people stupid, which was my issue. I have no problem debating or discussing, but when you call people stupid and cant back up your theory (which you personally still have not, someone else had to for you), that is what I was getting at. This thread is about posting ideas, discussing, debating, its not a place to call people stupid when you cant even back up your own idea.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Edo tensei revives people according to the DNA collected, completely natural and unaltered. For example, Itachi's eye was transplanted to Sasuke's and Nagato's was to Tobi but they were still revived with it. So when revived, the person is exactly in the stage of life as when he died, but still natural with no altercations. So, if a person's arm was broken when he died, when revived the said person is revived with no injuries or anything, and Izuna would still retain his eyes.

Then why did Nagato have white hair? The reason why Itachi and Nagato still had their eyes is because (I'm going to invoke my Daniel Day Lewis voice in Gangs of New York) "They passed over whole!" Kishimoto is borrowing from popular superstition that if you have a body part that was lost in passing over then, you don't have it in the afterlife. As for Shisui, Kabuto doesn't have any idea what state his body is in. Itachi and Danzo kept this a secret. Kabuto would have knowledge of Izuna's state though. How does he know this? Uhmm, because Madara has EMS, maybe?!?

 

[Amelius]

Then why did Nagato's have white hair? The reason why Itachi and Nagato still had their eyes is because (I'm going to invoke my Daniel Day Lewis voice in Gangs of New York) "They passed over whole!" Kishimoto is borrowing from popular superstition that if you have a body part that was lost in passing over then, you don't have it upon return. As for Shisui, Kabuto doesn't have any idea what state his body is in. Itachi and Danzo kept this a secret. Kabuto would have knowledge of Izuna's state though. How does he know this? Uhmm, because Madara has EMS, maybe?!?

I was wondering when you were going to step in lol, You beat me to the punch

 

[Edge]

Is Tobi bi-polar then? Why be concerned about people thinking he's a ba****d who stole his brother's eyes, and try to correct it? If he hates him due to some wrong doing, then the more folks that hate and fear Madara as a ba****d the better it serves Tobi's purposes. Also, you can't say he is driven by his ego and is upset at the mention that Madara somehow bested him and took the eyes. If ego drove the correction why use a false identity? He has already stated that he is no one and that he doesn't want to be anyone, so ego isn't what would motivate him to correct the perception either.

1) We don't know how "conerned" he really is. He appeared that way to coerce Sasuke to join him, until his true intentions are revealed I wouldn't take anything he says at face-value. Also, telling only Sasuke about the truth is hardly correcting the misinterpretation about taking Izuna's eyes if there is any misinterpretation at all.

2) We don't know what his true purposes are, aside from the Moon's Eye Plan. What will he do with Gedo Mazo? What did he mean by becoming a "complete form" (when speaking to Naruto/Kakashi/Yamato)? We don't know, and chances are it involves his own purposes rather than anything to do with Madara.

3) I never said anything about being driven by ego.


Here's a theory, perhaps the original plan was for Tobi to revive Madara so that Madara could become one with the Juubi but for his own reasons Tobi is changing the plan so that he'll end up with the uberhax power and not Madara for whatever reasons (hatred? jealousy? we won't know until we find out what actually transpired between Madara and Izuna and what their relationship was truly like)

Also, perhaps Tobi wears a mask because of his "fake" body. The few face shots we've seen of Tobi are of his left side and during the Konan fight, his right side was still blackened out despite the mask being cracked off.

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He doesn't care about his identity, but wearing a mask to cover an effed up Zetsu-composed face would make sense.

 

[Amelius]

1) We don't know how "conerned" he really is. He appeared that way to coerce Sasuke to join him, until his true intentions are revealed I wouldn't take anything he says at face-value. Also, telling only Sasuke about the truth is hardly correcting the misinterpretation about taking Izuna's eyes if there is any misinterpretation at all.

2) We don't know what his true purposes are, aside from the Moon's Eye Plan. What will he do with Gedo Mazo? What did he mean by becoming a "complete form" (when speaking to Naruto/Kakashi/Yamato)? We don't know, and chances are it involves his own purposes rather than anything to do with Madara.

3) I never said anything about being driven by ego.


Here's a theory, perhaps the original plan was for Tobi to revive Madara so that Madara could become one with the Juubi but for his own reasons Tobi is changing the plan so that he'll end up with the uberhax power and not Madara for whatever reasons (hatred? jealousy? we won't know until we find out what actually transpired between Madara and Izuna and what their relationship was truly like)

Also, perhaps Tobi wears a mask because of his "fake" body. The few face shots we've seen of Tobi are of his left side and during the Konan fight, his right side was still blackened out despite the mask being cracked off.

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He doesn't care about his identity, but wearing a mask to cover an effed up Zetsu-composed face would make sense.

Truth of the matter, We still have little "concrete" information of tobi, although Kisi has given some hints, the most its done is eliminate a few names that were once at the time of the list, as well as bring back a few names that you could say were removed from the list awhile ago.

 

[freddie12]

u forgot the "sasuke" back in tim option

 

[Gyakusetsu]

1) We don't know how "conerned" he really is. He appeared that way to coerce Sasuke to join him, until his true intentions are revealed I wouldn't take anything he says at face-value. Also, telling only Sasuke about the truth is hardly correcting the misinterpretation about taking Izuna's eyes if there is any misinterpretation at all.

2) We don't know what his true purposes are, aside from the Moon's Eye Plan. What will he do with Gedo Mazo? What did he mean by becoming a "complete form" (when speaking to Naruto/Kakashi/Yamato)? We don't know, and chances are it involves his own purposes rather than anything to do with Madara.

3) I never said anything about being driven by ego.


Here's a theory, perhaps the original plan was for Tobi to revive Madara so that Madara could become one with the Juubi but for his own reasons Tobi is changing the plan so that he'll end up with the uberhax power and not Madara for whatever reasons (hatred? jealousy? we won't know until we find out what actually transpired between Madara and Izuna and what their relationship was truly like)

Also, perhaps Tobi wears a mask because of his "fake" body. The few face shots we've seen of Tobi are of his left side and during the Konan fight, his right side was still blackened out despite the mask being cracked off.

He doesn't care about his identity, but wearing a mask to cover an effed up Zetsu-composed face would make sense.

Your first point makes sense. I could see that occurring, but it really takes a lot of Tobi is Izuna theories off the table because so many hinge on that interaction. If he was simply trying to persuade Sasuke that, posing as Madara, he isn't as sinister as he is being portrayed. This could have been the same reason provided for any number of the suggested Tobi's. The event would be trivialized greatly.

Agree with the second point.

Third point was something I brought up in an attempt to cut a potential argument off

The first paragraph of your theory I am in agreement with but will have to wait and see on the rest of it.

 

[thetruth0025]

ok since ppl are confused this is how edo works. you are resurected with whatever you had when u died. the reason itachi and nagato both were resurected with their eyes was because their eyes where with them when they died. their eyes werent taken until after their death. which is why nagato couldnt walk amd hair was still white because its how he died. shisui and izuna both lost their eyes before they died which means they wouldnt have them if they were resurected with edo. same as third raikage was edo summoned he still had the scar on his chest from when he was alive.

 

[Sasuke2]

ok since ppl are confused this is how edo works. you are resurected with whatever you had when u died. the reason itachi and nagato both were resurected with their eyes was because their eyes where with them when they died. their eyes werent taken until after their death. which is why nagato couldnt walk amd hair was still white because its how he died. shisui and izuna both lost their eyes before they died which means they wouldnt have them if they were resurected with edo. same as third raikage was edo summoned he still had the scar on his chest from when he was alive.

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[Amelius]

ok since ppl are confused this is how edo works. you are resurected with whatever you had when u died. the reason itachi and nagato both were resurected with their eyes was because their eyes where with them when they died. their eyes werent taken until after their death. which is why nagato couldnt walk amd hair was still white because its how he died. shisui and izuna both lost their eyes before they died which means they wouldnt have them if they were resurected with edo. same as third raikage was edo summoned he still had the scar on his chest from when he was alive.

Thanks for the assist. Spot on!

 

[SilverSlick]

Tobi doesn't care who is. Tobi has said it. This is Kishi's way of saying it doesn't matter in the end. He's just Tobi.

 

[Amelius]

Tobi doesn't care who is. Tobi has said it. This is Kishi's way of saying it doesn't matter in the end. He's just Tobi.

This is true, but whats the fun in that? Debating is half the fun!