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[Aze]

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It can't apply to kagami because he have not seem him use a similar kekkei genkai to obit, it can't apply to obito because he is too young, it can't apply to the elder son why would the elder son taking off his mask have an affect on danzo, kisame or sasuke?

It can't apply to anyone else other than his dad because kids always have very similar, same hair as their parents.

It can't apply to anyone, only specific cases my theory itself is based on the things that ruled other people out, I came to the conclusion that it was obito's father by applying the limits which had been ruling other ninjas out as the option.


Things such as timeline, significant events, motive, lack of motive, consistence see and sheer plausibility.

Also what do you mean if he had one? Also we have not seen the elder son in action that does not get in the way of people theorising it is him.



That's an interesting theory path.

It is does lose a few things though and relies on a string of assumptions such as izuna actually being the stronger brother, and sending madara to fight hashirama just to get the cells, it loses the appearance strength since izuna's hair was not like obito's.

Why is madara referring to izuna as him, and ouch izuna would be old

I have a strong feeling , that Madara , Itachi , Sasuke , Obito , Shisui , Kagami are relatives , idk why , but I just guess it's like so.


Sasukes father , was the Leader of Uchiha clan.

And I bet Leadership is passed on through the closest bloodline ( Same as the Hyuuga do) , Since Uchiha is the most noblest clan in Konoha , and the most respected one , their code of honor reaches higher than these of Senjus and Hyuugas.


That's why I think they are related in some way. ​

 

[p0002q]

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posted this idea a while back, just a little condensed now

I believe Tobi is a creation of Madara using Izanagi. (sort of mimicing the creation jutsu of the so6p)

It explains Tobi is a shell, made to be sorta like Madara - but lacking the soul.

It explains Tobi's plan, lack of a name (as he is a creation) and Tobi's knowledge of the naruto verse.

It explains why Tobi has the Hashirama plant thing as well.

It explains Tobi using 9T @ series start.


Also some of the dialouge between Madara and others makes it seems as if Madara knows about Tobi... take it as you will, just saying what I think

 

[Aze]

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posted this idea a while back, just a little condensed now

I believe Tobi is a creation of Madara using Izanagi. (sort of mimicing the creation jutsu of the so6p)

It explains Tobi is a shell, made to be sorta like Madara - but lacking the soul.

It explains Tobi's plan, lack of a name (as he is a creation) and Tobi's knowledge of the naruto verse.

It explains why Tobi has the Hashirama plant thing as well.

It explains Tobi using 9T @ series start.


Also some of the dialouge between Madara and others makes it seems as if Madara knows about Tobi... take it as you will, just saying what I think

You posted this on 3 threads = it's considered a spam I think?

You can get infracted for doing so.

Be on the subject on the threads.

 

[p0002q]

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You posted this on 3 threads = it's considered a spam I think?

You can get infracted for doing so.

Be on the subject on the threads.

read thread titles?

and i modified it slightly each one to suit the thread title even more.

BTW, it was posted in

[Discussion] Tobi
Tobi ID theory
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Kisame's reaction to Madara\Tobi

I think it's on topic....

 

[Maunten]

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I have a strong feeling , that Madara , Itachi , Sasuke , Obito , Shisui , Kagami are relatives , idk why , but I just guess it's like so.


Sasukes father , was the Leader of Uchiha clan.

And I bet Leadership is passed on through the closest bloodline ( Same as the Hyuuga do) , Since Uchiha is the most noblest clan in Konoha , and the most respected one , their code of honor reaches higher than these of Senjus and Hyuugas.


That's why I think they are related in some way. ​

Another reason for a possible blood line connection is that all but kagami have the awakened mangekyo sharingan, even though kagami has not his sons haves, wait a minute WTF.

Dude keep an eye out for another theory thread k.

 

[Aze]

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Another reason for a possible blood line connection is that all but kagami have the awakened mangekyo sharingan, even though kagami has not his sons haves, wait a minute WTF.

Dude keep an eye out for another theory thread k.

You got something out of it?If you did hurry.
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[jorgelius]

tobi or not

my theory is always been that madara did "create" tobi, one who drive hes agenda and someday rise madara from pure world (from death) why that is clear tome think this tobi said he has gene's of first and zetsu actually represent both black half is uchiha white hashirama, so only explanation remains ems/ms/s can cast izanami or izanagi but they can't make stuff but when ems evolve beyond we have rinnegan and it might hold third power, or maybe we already know the power which was used create tobi, "creation of all things"

it is known madara awakened rinnegan sometime prior his death, but when he actually did die? how old akatsuki is? i mean S-class akatsuki, it was around when or even prior orochimaru went nuke-nin so anyway i think madara was shown here:

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first i think'ed how come anime voice is same than tobi's well tobi was claiming hes madara, and example oonoki didn't notice anything while tobi gave them long speech wich indicates they have same voice.

i have backup reasons example about zabuza when he went nuke-nin etc

 

[Sasuke2]

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Tobi is Izuna.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

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So What I noticed is, Kabuto has all these Edo's that are suppose to be great Shinobi's.

Yet where is Izuna Uchiha, he had MS, and Izuna/Madera were both talented and very strong.

I've seen the picture of Izuna in a coffin with his eyes bandaged up, So I am pretty sure he would be easy to access. However, there is also the same picture on Naruto Wiki of Izuna.

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This seems to me fishy, and might give more evidence to Tobi being Izuna. because you can not have an edo of someone still alive. or sealed.

-I do not want, or do I hope Izuna to be Tobi. I think it is way to predictable, and obvious for Izuna to be Tobi. Because it was the obvious and simple choice, and predictable as hell.
But I am pretty sure Kabuto would of definitively brought Izuna back if he could, but he knows who Tobi is.

I honestly hate that I realized that, but I hope Tobi is not.

Also I had a theory on Tobi being the original Orochimaru's body. Obviously it's probably impossible but I just thought it would be funny =P. Just to show how awesomesauce Oro is hehe.

Edo Tensei brings you back in the state you were in prior to death, hence Nagato's white hair as an ET. If your missing a limb right before you die you are brought back with a missing limb. Since Izuna gave/lost his eyes, then supposedly went off to die in battle, it would make sense not to bring him back as an ET without his MS.

 

[0moi]

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You guys underestimate Danzou too easily. Yea he got killed by Sasuke, the guy who is suppose to fight the protagonist in the finale..... PLOT NO JUTSU!!!! duh :sy: Sasuke will beat anyone in front of him until he reaches Naruto, that's how Kishi has the story set up, c'mon think about it. Danzou was destined to lose that battle no matter what he did. Sasuke has the same protection method as Naruto. They are both very major parts of the story, neither of them is going to die before the finale.... You guys keep saying "why didn't he use S\T if he had it" like it would've made a difference in that battle. Plus if he did use S\T that would most def gave away that he was Tobi, which would've took all the story Kishi wrote after their battle in vain. I'm no writer but that is just too obvious. Hell while we're at it the YTS mask should've fell out his pocket during the battle huh? smh cavemen

 

[ItachiSan03]

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Who the **** is setsuna uchiha

 

[Maunten]

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You guys underestimate Danzou too easily. Yea he got killed by Sasuke, the guy who is suppose to fight the protagonist in the finale..... PLOT NO JUTSU!!!! duh :sy: Sasuke will beat anyone in front of him until he reaches Naruto, that's how Kishi has the story set up, c'mon think about it. Danzou was destined to lose that battle no matter what he did. Sasuke has the same protection method as Naruto. They are both very major parts of the story, neither of them is going to die before the finale.... You guys keep saying "why didn't he use S\T if he had it" like it would've made a difference in that battle. Plus if he did use S\T that would most def gave away that he was Tobi, which would've took all the story Kishi wrote after their battle in vain. I'm no writer but that is just too obvious. Hell while we're at it the YTS mask should've fell out his pocket during the battle huh? smh cavemen

Sasuke will beat anyone or be saved, I agree though sasuke was taking people down that I did not expect him to take down, weird.

 

[Aze]

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You guys underestimate Danzou too easily. Yea he got killed by Sasuke, the guy who is suppose to fight the protagonist in the finale..... PLOT NO JUTSU!!!! duh :sy: Sasuke will beat anyone in front of him until he reaches Naruto, that's how Kishi has the story set up, c'mon think about it. Danzou was destined to lose that battle no matter what he did. Sasuke has the same protection method as Naruto. They are both very major parts of the story, neither of them is going to die before the finale.... You guys keep saying "why didn't he use S\T if he had it" like it would've made a difference in that battle. Plus if he did use S\T that would most def gave away that he was Tobi, which would've took all the story Kishi wrote after their battle in vain. I'm no writer but that is just too obvious. Hell while we're at it the YTS mask should've fell out his pocket during the battle huh? smh cavemen

If Danzo had S/T like Tobi has , then it will make Tobi unoriginal by all means.

Tobis S/T is hes own and no one elses.

Tobis S/T is part of Tobis mystique and originality.


Danzo is nothing compared to Tobi imo.


Tobi most likely manipulated Danzo and the village and Uchiha clan to make the massacre.


And that's all.



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[Avani]

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Tobi is Uchiha Setsuna

I know, Setsuna who? Well listen..

This is not my theory (credit to a turrin guy), but I read it, and I thought it was a very interesting read, and it introduces an entirely new character into the whole “hall of who is Tobi list”.

People who are on this list includes; Izuna,Some sort of artificial being ,shisui, kagami, and now this guy.


"While this is not my main theory as to Tobi's identity, I was reading some old chapters today & had a random thought as to who Tobi could be that no one has brought up before (at least that I know of). At first I dismissed this thought as being totally random & unlikely, but then I did a bit more research & i'm not so sure anymore.

Is Tobi, Uchiha Setsuna, I.E this guy:

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I think it's important to take note of the official viz translation of the text in this image at this juncture:

Tobi, "There were finally some Uchiha who discerned that motive and an anti-stablishment faction that had inherited my will."

Tobi goes on to say in the next panel, "but it unfortunately was too little, to late."

DB III also has a small blurb on Uchiha Setsuna saying the following:

"A shinobi from the Uchiha clan who harbored suspicion against Nidaime Hokage. He planed to regain sovereignty from the Senju clan."

So basically what we know about this guy, is that some time after Uchiha Madara's "death" Uchiha Setsuna inheriting Madara's will began to suspect the Senju & established a faction whose object was for the Uchiha clan to regain it's sovereignty from the Senju clan, however ultimately one way or another his rebellion failed.

While this is very little information to go on, from this alone we can establish a motive for Uchiha Setsuna to act as Tobi & align with Madara. On top of that considering in the above picture we see Uchiha Setsuna & Madara's Grave it's not hard to imagine that he may have realized Madara was not dead, just like Itachi & sought him out just like Itachi, but unlike Itachi Setsuna has a motive to become Madara's apprentice for real.

With that out of the way let's look at some possible visual clues that perhaps Setsuna could be Tobi:

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The red circles all out line things that I consider possible evidence.

1. Setsuna's hair can believably pass for Tobi's
2. Setsuna has black mask that covers most of his right face. Not only could this be an early sign of Tobi's building mask fetish :tobidream but we have seen the right side of Tobi's face & it looks kind of mangled or messed up in some way

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, so Setsuna face could also be mangled under the mask & be the reason for the mask
3. You can clearly see that Setsuna has a weapon on his back that has an identical handle to Madara's fan:

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A fan that Tobi has in his possession

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4. The sash that Sentsuna uses to hold his weapon in place is very similar to the one that Tobi uses to hold his very similar weapon in place:

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One of these visual clues alone I would over look, but there are so many that it's kind of hard for me to completely ignore them.

Now the obvious counter point to the idea of Setsuna being Tobi, is the fact that he is just a random character that is only mentioned briefly in the Manga & DB III, so him being Tobi would be pointless & lame.

& this is what I thought first, but than I started thinking about it more & the more I thought about it dawned on me that yeah this guy is a random barely known dude, but that's why he could be Tobi. In chapter 561 [The Power of the Name], when the alliance questions why Tobi would use Madara's name, Tsunade responded as such:

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Given Tsunade's explanation it would make sense why someone like Uchiha Setsuna who in the history books is just a random Uchiha Police officer who rebelled against the Senju a long time ago would need to use the name of Uchiha Madara to bluff the Kage alliance into going to war. If he didn't than the Kages would be like the posters on this forum & say who the **** is Uchiha Setsuna & than laugh. So that idea to me is the genius of Tobi being Uchiha Setsuna because it explains why a character the Shinobi world & we the readers would barely recognize would put on the Tobi/Madara guise.

Also a guy like Setsuna who followed in Madara's footsteps, inherited his will, & perhaps was his apprentice may considering himself an incarnation of Madara anyways, just like Tobi talks about how he is also an incarnation of Rikudo.
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What do you guys think? Ironically, Tobi would truly be “no one”

I think it has to be izuna or setsuna. The former because in the panel he was shown in the manga it was written madara in the rock behind him. For me that is kishi making it very obvious he is tobi. Plus, his physical characteristics match. Even the akatsuki cloak is very similar to setsuna outfit (the high collar) he was the one who started the akatsuki afterall. Even the way they place the weapons in their back is similar. The end of the weapons is always on the left pointing upwards.

Who the **** is setsuna uchiha

See the quotes above. You can always find previous theories in the thread by using search button. I tried to include most names in the poll so that people know what are the theories mentioned in the thread. But mostly it was from memory so if some name is missed let me know and I will add it.

 

[Everlasting Peace]

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So What I noticed is, Kabuto has all these Edo's that are suppose to be great Shinobi's.

Yet where is Izuna Uchiha, he had MS, and Izuna/Madera were both talented and very strong.

I've seen the picture of Izuna in a coffin with his eyes bandaged up, So I am pretty sure he would be easy to access. However, there is also the same picture on Naruto Wiki of Izuna.

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This seems to me fishy, and might give more evidence to Tobi being Izuna. because you can not have an edo of someone still alive. or sealed.

-I do not want, or do I hope Izuna to be Tobi. I think it is way to predictable, and obvious for Izuna to be Tobi. Because it was the obvious and simple choice, and predictable as hell.
But I am pretty sure Kabuto would of definitively brought Izuna back if he could, but he knows who Tobi is.

I honestly hate that I realized that, but I hope Tobi is not.

Also I had a theory on Tobi being the original Orochimaru's body. Obviously it's probably impossible but I just thought it would be funny =P. Just to show how awesomesauce Oro is hehe.U_U

 

[FizzyDrink]

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You know what is odd, tobi = obito's father really works everything fits except for the fact that obito died the same year as the attack on konoha, and tobi says "do you have any idea how long I have waited" this totally puts it out, except if obitos father had been planning this for a while and the death of his son was the last straw.

Also omoi the thing that I missed was the age that kakashi turned jonin I forgot that he became a jonin at age 13, but karuma did not attack when kakashi was 19, the attack happened 13 years before the start and kakashi is 25-26 at the start 26 - 13 is 13.

I can't get that comment by tobi out of my head though it throws my theory into major doubt, a lot of the time lines aren't making sense, madara knew nagato yet madara died young, madara at least knows that tobi exists, and kishi makes sure madara does not say his name.

I thought I had it all sorted with obito's father.

he had motive(death of his son),

he had means (the mangekyo sharingan to read the tablet and gain the secrets to the rinnegan)

he could even have had age (he has enough wrinkles to imply he is at least over 50 years old),

he had the right bloodline ability as his son (the same warping tech that kakashi has in the eye he took from obito),

the same hair,

he revealed himself to those who suffered the same type of loss as obitos father (betrayed by their village, sasuke and kisame).

he revealed himself to the person very possibly responsible for the death of his son (danzo)

Everything was pointing towards obito's dad, yet that comment he made "do you have any idea how long I have waited", just it irritates me.

dafuq is going on here...WTH

That quote does throw your theory into a mess, as well as the fact that we don't even know if Obito HAS a father to begin with. Like I said, Kishi isn't introducing a brand new character from a interlude of the manga where he doesn't even show up in. Also, the timeline barely fits, Obito's dad would have had to have been like 12 or 13 years old when Madara approached him, in which case there is no reason to use Obito's dad as particularly, any Uchiha would have sufficed. The motive hardly fits as well, it wasn't an attack on the leaf for revenge for his son, he would have attacked soley those responsible, not sent the fox on everyone. It's an interesting idea, but if it did turn out to be Obito's father, I would be pissed because it just doesn't make for a good story.

You guys underestimate Danzou too easily. Yea he got killed by Sasuke, the guy who is suppose to fight the protagonist in the finale..... PLOT NO JUTSU!!!! duh :sy: Sasuke will beat anyone in front of him until he reaches Naruto, that's how Kishi has the story set up, c'mon think about it. Danzou was destined to lose that battle no matter what he did. Sasuke has the same protection method as Naruto. They are both very major parts of the story, neither of them is going to die before the finale.... You guys keep saying "why didn't he use S\T if he had it" like it would've made a difference in that battle. Plus if he did use S\T that would most def gave away that he was Tobi, which would've took all the story Kishi wrote after their battle in vain. I'm no writer but that is just too obvious. Hell while we're at it the YTS mask should've fell out his pocket during the battle huh? smh cavemen

Did you take into account the fact that Tobi was THERE to watch Sasuke beat Danzo? Which means Tobi definitely can't be Danzo?

 

[Sonin]

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You guys underestimate Danzou too easily. Yea he got killed by Sasuke, the guy who is suppose to fight the protagonist in the finale..... PLOT NO JUTSU!!!! duh :sy: Sasuke will beat anyone in front of him until he reaches Naruto, that's how Kishi has the story set up, c'mon think about it. Danzou was destined to lose that battle no matter what he did. Sasuke has the same protection method as Naruto. They are both very major parts of the story, neither of them is going to die before the finale.... You guys keep saying "why didn't he use S\T if he had it" like it would've made a difference in that battle. Plus if he did use S\T that would most def gave away that he was Tobi, which would've took all the story Kishi wrote after their battle in vain. I'm no writer but that is just too obvious. Hell while we're at it the YTS mask should've fell out his pocket during the battle huh? smh cavemen

Because in the flash back to the Shisui conversation sasuke was at least 5 years old. In that they were just speaking of him going missing. Either way, Danzo doesn't have a spacetime ninjutsu up to that level or he would have used it on sasuke. But yes, in the flash back Shisui had just gone missing and they were blaming itachi when Sasuke was about 6... So unless Shisui walked around 6 years without an eye..

My point is that shisui didn't lose his eyes in the time you claim.

Danzo would have had to of taken someone else's eye which is not supported at any point. Also the manga has made it clear that Tobi has been Tobi the whole time.

 

[Orochimagus]

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Tobi is not Izuna. He is a minor character with less development than even Obito. Notice all big fights Naruto has been in he has been heavily mirrored with his opponent. Gaara the Beast Host, Nagato the Uzumaki student of Jiraiya...When Tobi's mask finally comes out, he will turn out to be someone meaningful to Naruto. Someone that mirrors him in some way. Maybe...

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[Sasuke2]

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Tobi is not Izuna. He is a minor character with less development than even Obito.

Are you crazy ? If he is Tobi then he has a lot of development.
Nawaki has no reason to destroy Konoha

 

[lorul2]

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Time to jump in ...

Zetsu is the key to this debate.

Oro was the best mad scientist (in the Narutoverse) and the closest he could come to the First was Tenzo/Yamato. Zetsu has abilities Oro would have loved to have, but clearly Zetsu is closest to Tobi. Zetsu clearly has a connection to the First, and Tobi apparently has Zetsu like appendages.

I believe Zetsu is the one that Madara is referring to when he says "This is HIS doing".

After the battle of Madara and the First, Zetsu may have appeared to Madara and was being used as an assistant for his plans. When Madara died Zetsu probably didn't have the power to make the Moon Eye plan happen. Thats when Zetsu found a half dead Obito, and merged with him somehow so he could carry out Madara's plan. It would explain how Tobi knows so much history and why Tobi can take so much damage and keep coming back. The Obito/Kakashi stuff has been beaten to death so I won't even bother to go through that again. This is just a theory but I haven't seen anything to prove it wrong.