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[0moi]

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.. I don't think so. Obito graduated at the age 9. They are assigned teams at that time. I think kakashi was 3 years younger on team Minato.

....Obito "died" at 13
Kakashi became Jounin at 13
His 1st mission as a Jounin was the one that Obito "died" on
....They were 13 AT THE SAME DAMN TIME!!!!
....meaning they were the same age ....duh smh lol

 

[0moi]

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damn missed that thanks.

no prob chief

 

[Sonin]

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....Obito "died" at 13
Kakashi became Jounin at 13
His 1st mission as a Jounin was the one that Obito "died" on
....They were 13 AT THE SAME DAMN TIME!!!!
....meaning they were the same age ....duh smh lol

Smh? hmm not sure what that means.. Suck my ham? XD Anyway true true. + rep for your theory regardless. I think Tobi would have more of a vendeta against Kakashi though.

 

[0moi]

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Smh? hmm not sure what that means.. Suck my ham? XD Anyway true true. + rep for your theory regardless. I think Tobi would have more of a vendeta against Kakashi though.

Naw chief lol it means S.hake M.y H.ead, but naw Tobi's original goal was to claim the Hokage postion by possessing the ultimate power to rule with an iron fist, seeing as he was Danzou at the time. His current goal is that moon eye thing. Why exactly? IDK, I don't have enough info about it other than it'll cast a major genjutsu on everybody & everything.

 

[Sonin]

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Naw chief lol it means S.hake M.y H.ead, but naw Tobi's original goal was to claim the Hokage postion by possessing the ultimate power to rule with an iron fist, seeing as he was Danzou at the time. His current goal is that moon eye thing. Why exactly? IDK, I don't have enough info about it other than it'll cast a major genjutsu on everybody & everything.

That can't be because danzou doesn't know space time ninjutsu.... ALso the current tobi recalled all the events..

 

[0moi]

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That can't be because danzou doesn't know space time ninjutsu.... ALso the current tobi recalled all the events..

Danzou knows summoning [Baku], so hypothetically he knows a space-time technique, since all summonings are space-time related, also just because we never witnessed him teleporting that doesn't exactly ex him out of the S/T users category.

Current Tobi obviously knows Konohagakure's history well, he knew history going all the way back to the Senju Vs Uchiha days, that doesn't mean he can't be someone thats not from that era, remember he said he was Madara which was a lie chief....

 

[Sonin]

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Danzou knows summoning [Baku], so hypothetically he knows a space-time technique, since all summonings are space-time related, also just because we never witnessed him teleporting that doesn't exactly ex him out of the S/T users category.

Current Tobi obviously knows Konohagakure's history well, he knew history going all the way back to the Senju Vs Uchiha days, that doesn't mean he can't be someone thats not from that era, remember he said he was Madara which was a lie chief....

Baku was not the space time used against Minato is my point. He would not have died against sasuke if he knew the level that minato described. Also this attack was before the uchiha massacre actually YEARS before that therefore Danzo at this point had no sharingan, He got them all during that time.

 

[0moi]

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Baku was not the space time used against Minato is my point. He would not have died against sasuke if he knew the level that minato described. Also this attack was before the uchiha massacre actually YEARS before that therefore Danzo at this point had no sharingan, He got them all during that time.

I've actually explained this twice now on this thread, here are the post links because I'm entirely too lazy to type all this shift with a PS3 controller, both are plausible theories supporting that The Old Tobi(Yellow Tigerstripe Mask) is Danzou Shimura, I'm not going to type my theory that shows the Current Tobi is Obito Uchiha, since the majority of y'all finally believe this could be true.... late asses lol

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[Sonin]

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I've actually explained this twice now on this thread, here are the post links because I'm entirely too lazy to type all this shift with a PS3 controller, both are plausible theories supporting that The Old Tobi(Yellow Tigerstripe Mask) is Danzou Shimura, I'm not going to type my theory that shows the Current Tobi is Obito Uchiha, since the majority of y'all finally believe this could be true.... late asses lol

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okay but still.. Danzou did not get any sharingan this early. Shi was killed month before the rest of the clan and that was years after the attack. Shi was Danzou's first sharingan...

 

[0moi]

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okay but still.. Danzou did not get any sharingan this early. Shi was killed month before the rest of the clan and that was years after the attack. Shi was Danzou's first sharingan...

How do you know he didn't, all you know is Shisui died between Kurama's Attack & Uchiha Massacre. Itachi even confessed to Sasuke that before he killed Shisui for mangekyou sharingan, he noticed Shisui's eye was missing and Shisui told Itachi Danzou was the one who took it, entrusting the other to him. Just because Kurama's Attack happened a while before Shisui's death doesn't mean Danzou didn't take it. Shisui was also feared in his own clan as the best genjutsu user in their ranks, who was going to make him tell them what happen, the leader<Fugaku Uchiha>? Nope he wasn't strong enough to fight Shisui. Shisui was basically the "Itachi" before Itachi.

"Itachi" - The Uchiha's prodigy kid that could beat a fully grown Uchiha's ass lol

Also, i'm not an Itachi fanboy, just stating facts chief....

 

[svladcjelli42]

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Tobi is essentially Madara, or an offshoot of Madara. He is the result of Madara employing his own "rise from the dead" technique. Note Edo-Madara's supernatural knowledge of Tsuki no Me Keikaku.
Since narutobase won't let me post the relevant manga pages for you, I will mention that they are chapter 562 page 4 and chapter 577 page 6.

 

[FizzyDrink]

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If you read my theory in detail it will explain why tobi being obito's father would explain his warp abilities, here

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I meant madara knowing nagato, even though yamato was a test tube baby, he was not developed over decades.

His son died during a mission that they should not have been sent on.

Since madara knows nagato, and his edo form would indicate that he died young (as many ninja do) this shows that madara can know people that may lie out of his timeline.

I suppose the warping idea has a possibility...a bit far-fetched still

And what I meant was that Madara DID know who Nagato was because he worked on creating Nagato shortly before he died. That way, he has a way to know who Nagato was. That way he stays within his timeline, and still manages to know who Nagato is, because there should not be a way for him to know anything once he's dead, that is FAR less likely than my theory about him working on creating Nagato before his death.

His son dying on a mission is not background on Obito's father, it's background on Obito. For all we know Obito doesn't have a father (I don't remember the manga showing this). The father himself got no face time, no speech bubble, nothing whatsoever. There is no background info on him. Kishi isn't going to spring a totally brand new character from a section of the manga that wasn't even part of the actual story (more of an interlude really) who didn't even appear IN that interlude! Honestly, that's not going to happen, it would be poor plot developement.

 

[Everlasting Peace]

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So What I noticed is, Kabuto has all these Edo's that are suppose to be great Shinobi's.

Yet where is Izuna Uchiha, he had MS, and Izuna/Madera were both talented and very strong.

I've seen the picture of Izuna in a coffin with his eyes bandaged up, So I am pretty sure he would be easy to access. However, there is also the same picture on Naruto Wiki of Izuna.

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This seems to me fishy, and might give more evidence to Tobi being Izuna. because you can not have an edo of someone still alive. or sealed.

-I do not want, or do I hope Izuna to be Tobi. I think it is way to predictable, and obvious for Izuna to be Tobi. Because it was the obvious and simple choice, and predictable as hell.
But I am pretty sure Kabuto would of definitively brought Izuna back if he could, but he knows who Tobi is.

I honestly hate that I realized that, but I hope Tobi is not.

Also I had a theory on Tobi being the original Orochimaru's body. Obviously it's probably impossible but I just thought it would be funny =P. Just to show how awesomesauce Oro is hehe.

 

[Aze]

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Danzou knows summoning [Baku], so hypothetically he knows a space-time technique, since all summonings are space-time related, also just because we never witnessed him teleporting that doesn't exactly ex him out of the S/T users category.

Current Tobi obviously knows Konohagakure's history well, he knew history going all the way back to the Senju Vs Uchiha days, that doesn't mean he can't be someone thats not from that era, remember he said he was Madara which was a lie chief....

There are countless Shinobi who can use Summoning , that does not mean , that they all have the best S/T technique like Tobi has.

Only one Shinobi has Tobis S/T and it's Tobi.

No one else has it.

Danzo aint that strong.

And If Danzo had it , he could have used it against Sasuke in their fight.




Your statement falls on deaf ears.


Ignorance is a bliss...


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[Sonin]

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How do you know he didn't, all you know is Shisui died between Kurama's Attack & Uchiha Massacre. Itachi even confessed to Sasuke that before he killed Shisui for mangekyou sharingan, he noticed Shisui's eye was missing and Shisui told Itachi Danzou was the one who took it, entrusting the other to him. Just because Kurama's Attack happened a while before Shisui's death doesn't mean Danzou didn't take it. Shisui was also feared in his own clan as the best genjutsu user in their ranks, who was going to make him tell them what happen, the leader<Fugaku Uchiha>? Nope he wasn't strong enough to fight Shisui. Shisui was basically the "Itachi" before Itachi.

"Itachi" - The Uchiha's prodigy kid that could beat a fully grown Uchiha's ass lol

Also, i'm not an Itachi fanboy, just stating facts chief....

Because in the flash back to the Shisui conversation sasuke was at least 5 years old. In that they were just speaking of him going missing. Either way, Danzo doesn't have a spacetime ninjutsu up to that level or he would have used it on sasuke. But yes, in the flash back Shisui had just gone missing and they were blaming itachi when Sasuke was about 6... So unless Shisui walked around 6 years without an eye..

 

[Maunten]

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You know what is odd, tobi = obito's father really works everything fits except for the fact that obito died the same year as the attack on konoha, and tobi says "do you have any idea how long I have waited" this totally puts it out, except if obitos father had been planning this for a while and the death of his son was the last straw.

Also omoi the thing that I missed was the age that kakashi turned jonin I forgot that he became a jonin at age 13, but karuma did not attack when kakashi was 19, the attack happened 13 years before the start and kakashi is 25-26 at the start 26 - 13 is 13.

I can't get that comment by tobi out of my head though it throws my theory into major doubt, a lot of the time lines aren't making sense, madara knew nagato yet madara died young, madara at least knows that tobi exists, and kishi makes sure madara does not say his name.

I thought I had it all sorted with obito's father.

he had motive(death of his son),

he had means (the mangekyo sharingan to read the tablet and gain the secrets to the rinnegan)

he could even have had age (he has enough wrinkles to imply he is at least over 50 years old),

he had the right bloodline ability as his son (the same warping tech that kakashi has in the eye he took from obito),

the same hair,

he revealed himself to those who suffered the same type of loss as obitos father (betrayed by their village, sasuke and kisame).

he revealed himself to the person very possibly responsible for the death of his son (danzo)

Everything was pointing towards obito's dad, yet that comment he made "do you have any idea how long I have waited", just it irritates me.

dafuq is going on here...WTH

 

[Edge]

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You know what is odd, tobi = obito's father really works everything fits except for the fact that obito died the same year as the attack on konoha, and tobi says "do you have any idea how long I have waited" this totally puts it out, except if obitos father had been planning this for a while and the death of his son was the last straw.

Also omoi the thing that I missed was the age that kakashi turned jonin I forgot that he became a jonin at age 13, but karuma did not attack when kakashi was 19, the attack happened 13 years before the start and kakashi is 25-26 at the start 26 - 13 is 13.

I can't get that comment by tobi out of my head though it throws my theory into major doubt, a lot of the time lines aren't making sense, madara knew nagato yet madara died young, madara at least knows that tobi exists, and kishi makes sure madara does not say his name.

I thought I had it all sorted with obito's father.

he had motive(death of his son),

he had means (the mangekyo sharingan to read the tablet and gain the secrets to the rinnegan)

he could even have had age (he has enough wrinkles to imply he is at least over 50 years old),

he had the right bloodline ability as his son (the same warping tech that kakashi has in the eye he took from obito),

the same hair,

he revealed himself to those who suffered the same type of loss as obitos father (betrayed by their village, sasuke and kisame).

he revealed himself to the person very possibly responsible for the death of his son (danzo)

Everything was pointing towards obito's dad, yet that comment he made "do you have any idea how long I have waited", just it irritates me.

dafuq is going on here...WTH

That quote could apply to any theory...
Plus Obito's Dad (if he even had one) has never been seen

 

[Aze]

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That quote could apply to any theory...
Plus Obito's Dad (if he even had one) has never been seen

Izuna could have been Obitos Grand-Grandfather.


Could explain how long he had waited for this.

Izunas dead body could have been a Zetsu clone of some sort.

well but this is only an Assumption , I dont have no proof to back it up.

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[ihateSakura]

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Either tobi is izuna using obito's body with zetsu parts like oro did. Or there pulling a Kira with madara being the original and other ppl replacing him.

 

[Maunten]

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That quote could apply to any theory...
Plus Obito's Dad (if he even had one) has never been seen

It can't apply to kagami because he have not seem him use a similar kekkei genkai to obit, it can't apply to obito because he is too young, it can't apply to the elder son why would the elder son taking off his mask have an affect on danzo, kisame or sasuke?

It can't apply to anyone else other than his dad because kids always have very similar, same hair as their parents.

It can't apply to anyone, only specific cases my theory itself is based on the things that ruled other people out, I came to the conclusion that it was obito's father by applying the limits which had been ruling other ninjas out as the option.


Things such as timeline, significant events, motive, lack of motive, consistence see and sheer plausibility.

Also what do you mean if he had one? Also we have not seen the elder son in action that does not get in the way of people theorising it is him.

Izuna could have been Obitos Grand-Grandfather.


Could explain how long he had waited for this.

Izunas dead body could have been a Zetsu clone of some sort.

well but this is only an Assumption , I dont have no proof to back it up.

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That's an interesting theory path.

It is does lose a few things though and relies on a string of assumptions such as izuna actually being the stronger brother, and sending madara to fight hashirama just to get the cells, it loses the appearance strength since izuna's hair was not like obito's.

Why is madara referring to izuna as him, and ouch izuna would be old