Tobi is still NOT Obito!

[Phoenix Wright]

Re: Last chance to jump back on the bandwagon!

I hate how the smartest brains in Narutoverse got proven wrong in a mere one chapter.

These people WERE SURE that Madara is alive and is Tobi:

-Jiraiya
-Itachi
-Minato
-Danzou
-Kisame
-Konan
-Nagato

And so ALL of them got trolled like that? Srsly.

 

[GenjuroX00]

Re: How did He survived? answers here:

No no no! He used Edo Tensei just before he killed himself so he could resurrect himself. He unlocked M/S after he killed himself under the rock. Then used Kamui to teleport himself to Madara's time to apprentice under him. After Madara died, Obito took Madara's eyes and gave them to Nagato when he was young. THEN he space warped to when Naruto was being born and tried to steal Kyuubi. Just trust me, it makes perfect sense.

Sorry I shouldn't but I did... interesting theories though.

 

[Chatte]

Re: Is Tobi really Obito?

Ok, so here are MY BELIEFS in regard to the whole Tobi id theories (I will quote myself from other threads).

Why he is Tobi, but is not Tobi and could be Izuna.

What my questions/remarks are:

1. Why the indirect hate towards the whole Senju clan that Tobi has shown unless being a very old character?

2. Why Kishi would write the few sentences as this: "Obito?" If it would've been a 100% sure it would've been a full stop or a exclamation mark?

Question mark is used in connection with an 100% uncomplete information, it means there is a missing data there.

If it would've been a full stop it would've represented an undenied piece of evidence. Still Kishi used a question mark meaning the evidence is not 100% accurate/missing data.

3. As well as the phrase construction "It has been confirmed: his name is Obito!"

There Kishi confirms things, it gives us the information that the name is Obito, not the whole person. If it would've been a 100% certain information that Tobi is Obito as a whole, it wouldn't have been necessary for Kishi to add an explanatory note, yet he did it to bring an explanatory note about the name being Obito.

So until isn't 100% sure that Tobi is Obito, until Tobi stated himself, yes, I am Tobi, even though it's a 0.01% chances of being someone else, I am doubting this as it still leaves open possibilities.

It would have been logical for Kishi to mislead to add all those details that took to Obito in order to mess with our minds.

My guess is that it is his body, but there is someone else in there, meaning the counsciousness/soul of another person.

Or it is his consciousness but another body very similar to Tobi's.

True that you were very close.
You were actually very accurate on the indicative details that would make us believing that actually, yes, Tobi is Obito or the timeline of the events having some connection with the timeline of the events of Obito's ones.

He could even play with our mind making Tobi to state that he was Obito which again would be an 100% that he would be Obito. But we know that Kishi made this character to be a bit of a lier. What if in a singular panel, later on, when he would be by himself or with Zetsu/Madara, he will state something like "I told them I am Obito in order to play with their minds?" or something very similar to that. Wouldn't that be a second mind-f*ck (excuse my language) given to us by Kishi?

So until Kishimoto comes with an undeniable proof that he is indeed Obito, that still leaves open possibilities, as I've stated before.

What if is indeed his mind and body, but actually somewhere in the back there is God knows what whose using Tobi's counsciousness with a jutsu or something like that? What if it is his body that gave a full access to his memories but someone else is there. Like in Queen of the Damned movie (a vampire one) where when you bit someone and had his blood you had full access to his memories. Body includes the brain, the brain stores memories.

The perfect match to play with someone's mind.

Also, something to note, that rumor who was viral these days on the internet would pretty much fit the whole scenario of Tobi = Obito but is not actually Obito, is Izuna.

Because if you remember, it was said that it was indeed, Izuna BUT he will bring a lot of suffer thus implying the fact that looking like Obito will mind-blow Kakashi and everyone else who once knew Obito.

Also that was supposed to be an unleaked information by someone close to Kishimoto that instantly would blow-away the whole impact on the fanbase. But, Kishi as being smart (hope he is because of not... I don't know what to say U_U) made us once again fall into astonishment, as we move our beliefs regarding the rumor.

Than, he comes again later on (still have to see when) and show us Tobi as being Izuna and once again we will be mind-blown. So he got the impact he wanted in the first place EVEN THOUGH the information was leaked.

Nonetheless, we have to wait.

Yes, he had been exposed, but why do I have the feeling that he wanted to be exposed? He is portrayed as a character who wants to play with people's mind and use undeniable true facts twisted to his own advantage.

And here we have to take into consideration the whole Sasuke story.
Indeed, he told Sasuke what happened to Itachi but he did it that way, that would suit his preferences.

Same things could happen with Kakashi as well. Using undeniable facts to his own benefit although they differ in perspective.

If it's not Obito and is Izuna, the whole information he got after the timeline of his events would be easily explained thanks to Zetsu. But to explain Obito's timeline events with what happens now, is a lot harder.

The expose thing I was reffering about him wanted to be exposed when he adressed to Kakashi/Gai.
That would be from where his mind-twisting plan starts.

 

[fati]

Re: Zestu saved obito

maybe, but the big question is Why obito?
there were a lot of other uchihas alive by that time

 

[CrimsonReaper]

why are you arguing that he is not obito

he is obito and there are alot of evidences shown in kishi is not a troll thread tell me your opinion why do you think he is not obito

 

[The God of Wind]

Re: Last chance to jump back on the bandwagon!

I hate how the smartest brains in Narutoverse got proven wrong in a mere one chapter.

These people WERE SURE that Madara is alive and is Tobi:

-Jiraiya
-Itachi
-Minato
-Danzou
-Kisame
-Konan
-Nagato

And so ALL of them got trolled like that? Srsly.

I see how you use my own words just to annoy me, if you are going to come in here and shoot down my hard work then can you atleast answer the question in my thread? and even if everyone else is wrong, Itachi can never be wrong.

 

[NaruAwesome]

Re: Zestu saved obito

maybe, but the big question is Why obito?

u know how orochimaru saw potential in sasuke.well, same thing. plus madara probably had spare eyes and thanks to zestu he had more. since it was a chance to save obito he did it for the eye

 

[teravita9]

Re: Zestu saved obito

Maybe,but we need to wait to find out.

 

[indie]

Re: why are you arguing that he is not obito

Ignorance, or they just want further details/explanations

 

[IzunaUchiha2]

Re: Tobi never aged

The guy with a minato picture , ur not even funny U_U

 

[Unbiased]

Re: why are you arguing that he is not obito

he is obito and there are alot of evidences shown in kishi is not a troll thread tell me your opinion why do you think he is not obito

Its inconsistent and too many holes

 

[Mejkl3]

Re: why are you arguing that he is not obito

Tobi=Obito

People who dont think Tobi=Obito are retarded

 

[KyuubiUzumaki]

Re: Zestu saved obito

maybe, but the big question is Why obito?
there were a lot of other uchihas alive by that time

True, it isnt like Obito is the strongest of the Uchiha crop. He didnt have anything extraordinary.

 

[Hipster Madara]

Re: why are you arguing that he is not obito

He might not have obito's mind

 

[Baka Sennin]

Re: why are you arguing that he is not obito

i think his body, and perhaps even his mind is obito's. but not completely

there are plenty of reasons why he's not obito.

a. the timelines don't match. there was but a year between when obito 'died' and when he took on minato. for one thing, obito must have had a massive growth spurt, not to mention awakening and mastering his ms, to a level where he could take on the best shinobi of that age, and control the kyuubi. i don't see how that's plausible.

b. Tobi has knowledge of the sage of six paths, his weapons, madara, and the uchiha, far beyond what one can simply read from the uchiha stone tablet. he's known and seen a lot.

c. why would obito hate the uchiha? as far as i know, they didn't slight obito. and why would he hate the senju? he had the will of fire

d. he has zetsu parts. seeing as there was no way he could have created zetsu himself, this means that someone else did. which means that obito is either controlled, or a pawn for someone else.

 

[nak]

Re: Everything is just genjutsu, dont belive anything you see,hear,feel or smell

what about taste?

and taste isnt important to a shinobi

 

[Phoenix Wright]

Re: Last chance to jump back on the bandwagon!

I see how you use my own words just to annoy me, if you are going to come in here and shoot down my hard work then can you atleast answer the question in my thread? and even if everyone else is wrong, Itachi can never be wrong.

Annoy you? I'm stating facts. I'm sorry, but you didn't mention Kisame, Nagato and Danzou in your first post. I just explained it in a shorter way than you.

Besides, since Madara is an Edo now, there is possibility that Itachi was indeed wrong.

Why? Madara and Izuna are brothers. All of them could just have a hard time recognizing differences between Madara and Izuna, because both have the same DNA.

Obito is a boy from the Uchiha clan, who was born only to be Izuna's reincarnation. The Obito everyone (Kakashi, Gai etc) knows, was Izuna all along. He reincarnated, and Madara must've been the cause of it.

 

[The God of Wind]

Re: Last chance to jump back on the bandwagon!

Annoy you? I'm stating facts. I'm sorry, but you didn't mention Kisame, Nagato and Danzou in your first post. I just explained it in a shorter way than you.

Besides, since Madara is an Edo now, there is possibility that Itachi was indeed wrong.

Why? Madara and Izuna are brothers. All of them could just have a hard time recognizing differences between Madara and Izuna, because both have the same DNA.

Obito is a boy from the Uchiha clan, who was born only to be Izuna's reincarnation. The Obito everyone (Kakashi, Gai etc) knows, was Izuna all along. He reincarnated, and Madara must've been the cause of it.

you didnt answer my question

 

[MorphyRulez]

Re: why are you arguing that he is not obito

i think his body, and perhaps even his mind is obito's. but not completely

there are plenty of reasons why he's not obito.

a. the timelines don't match. there was but a year between when obito 'died' and when he took on minato. for one thing, obito must have had a massive growth spurt, not to mention awakening and mastering his ms, to a level where he could take on the best shinobi of that age, and control the kyuubi. i don't see how that's plausible.

b. Tobi has knowledge of the sage of six paths, his weapons, madara, and the uchiha, far beyond what one can simply read from the uchiha stone tablet. he's known and seen a lot.

c. why would obito hate the uchiha? as far as i know, they didn't slight obito. and why would he hate the senju? he had the will of fire

d. he has zetsu parts. seeing as there was no way he could have created zetsu himself, this means that someone else did. which means that obito is either controlled, or a pawn for someone else.

I'm thinking that part. Zetsu must be manipulate him in someway in order to Madara's plan. Because Zetsu will let him join to Akatsuki. (About Tobi current one, not long hair Masked man) I believe they are different people. Due to timeline doesn't match. If Obito is real Tobi, there must be another Tobi with unknown identify... or just wait to 600. Chapter

 

[natssuu]

Re: why are you arguing that he is not obito

Current Tobi is most likely Obito, but this is not that simple. Madara and Obito couldn't have made any contact, which makes this so damn complicated. Who saved Obito from those boulders? The only one I can think of is Zetsu. But even if he was saved, why did his personality change suddenly? He must have been ''brain washed'' by someone, but not by Madara. Zetsu again? Also, now I'm certain how Rin died, Obito killed her. This is how Tobi and Kakashi obtained the Mangekyos.