[Theory] Tobi Is Really Izuna Uchiha?

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Like silenceofthelambs said, the picture clearly shows us the same facial features the young madara has, except for the wrinkles under his eyes.
I'd say its safe to asume he is Madara, and I will keep doing that until it is proven to be someone else.
The reason why he wears the mask is the thing I am most puzzled about.
:flaw: Didn't you read what I said? Those facial features are common to Uchiha men, even Danzo had them and he's not Uchiha.

There were plenty of Uchiha and non-Uchiha who shared the same crease-like facial attributes as Madara, so that argument is not valid.

Besides, Tobi's lines are not the same as Madara's, he has three lines under his eye unlike Madara who has only one.
 

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:flaw: Didn't you read what I said? Those facial features are common to Uchiha men, even Danzo had them and he's not Uchiha.

There were plenty of Uchiha and non-Uchiha who shared the same crease-like facial attributes as Madara, so that argument is not valid.

Besides, Tobi's lines are not the same as Madara's, he has three lines under his eye unlike Madara who has only one.
They are called wrinkles, it tends to happen when someone ages.
Tobi is Madara until proven otherwise, nothing so far has hinted at Madara not being Madara.
Even Itachi said he is Madara, and that his oculair powers are very much intact.
Even the Tsuchikage and Minato immediatly recognised him as Madara, even with the mask.
And yes, I read what you said, but did'nt value it to be a valid argument, the facial atributes do not slightly resemble Danzou, even the eyeshape resembles Madara's, only the wrinkles of old age are what differ from his look.
 

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Now I see what you mean. Indeed, this facial feature looks similar to Tobi's

I went to check other pictures of younger Madara to make sure your statement was right and I crossed over more of Uchiha men, finding out that many of them, including Itachi had these lines on their faces.





You can look for other pictures of Uchiha men if you like, im sure there will be other men with similar facial attributes.
Those are other Uchiha clan members. They do have the same feature, but that doesn't really matter because we were given, in chapter 510, an image of a younger Madara next to Hashirama Senju, and that picture of the younger Madara looks heavily like the current one we see now.

Yes, the younger and current Madara don't have the same number of creases beneath their eyes, because through time Madara aged, as each human being does. Yet the important thing to consider is that the shape of the creases on younger and current Madara are the same. If they were different, then we'd have some real debate going on.

Funny part is that Danzo too has these facial crease like lines


Come to think of it, Danzo is very similar to Tobi - age and appearance like.
Even their goals were similar - uniting the world under one man.



Here we can see that he has three lines underneath his right eye, not exactly the same as on Madara Uchiha.
Danzo is similar to Madara, but they are obviously not the same. I trust I don't need to explain that to you.

So, my point is that these facial lines don't have much to do with the real identity of Tobi. Tho, I have to admit, at one point it almost convinced me.

Not completly accurate. We have only seen his forehead and eyes, and portion of his nose. We still haven't seen his cheeks(atleast both of them), his chin, his mouth and his full nose.

That's quite alot don't you think?

You're right, at this point it is extremely unlikely that Tobi is anyone else but Madara Uchiha. All the facts are pointing to that and yet there's still something fishy about him.
But tell me, can you be most certain that Tobi is Madara Uchiha himself and no other man than him? Did you never had a single doubt?
Actually, the facial lines have a lot to with Tobi's identity. Since they are the same, as chapter 510 has shown us, the majority of us will say that yes, "Tobi is Madara." We haven't seen Madara's full face, this I can agree with, but as I've told you, will seeing his "cheeks, chin, mouth, and full nose" really make a difference as to who he is? Yes, I had my moments where I doubted whether Tobi was Madara or not, but as the evidence pointing in that direction grew, it was especially difficult to ignore it.

Like silenceofthelambs said, the picture clearly shows us the same facial features the young madara has, except for the wrinkles under his eyes.
I'd say its safe to asume he is Madara, and I will keep doing that until it is proven to be someone else.
The reason why he wears the mask is the thing I am most puzzled about.
Madara most likely wore the mask in the past to conceal his identity, even though he doesn't really need it now, since he's revealed himself to the Five Kage. But when the entire world thinks you are dead, and any sign of your existence will arouse paranoia and disgust in people, it's safe to say that wearing a mask is only prudent, along with changing your identity.

:flaw: Didn't you read what I said? Those facial features are common to Uchiha men, even Danzo had them and he's not Uchiha.

There were plenty of Uchiha and non-Uchiha who shared the same crease-like facial attributes as Madara, so that argument is not valid.

Besides, Tobi's lines are not the same as Madara's, he has three lines under his eye unlike Madara who has only one.
The features are common to Uchiha men, but I've already told you: we saw a drawing of a younger Madara in chapter 510, and all the facial attributes the younger had back then, the current Madara now possesses, with some additions due to the biological process of aging. That is why the current Madara has three lines underneath his eye, while the current only had one.

They are called wrinkles, it tends to happen when someone ages.
Tobi is Madara until proven otherwise, nothing so far has hinted at Madara not being Madara.
Even Itachi said he is Madara, and that his oculair powers are very much intact.
Even the Tsuchikage and Minato immediatly recognised him as Madara, even with the mask.
And yes, I read what you said, but did'nt value it to be a valid argument, the facial atributes do not slightly resemble Danzou, even the eyeshape resembles Madara's, only the wrinkles of old age are what differ from his look.
I completely agree with you. This post is the thread winner.
 

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Izuma and Obito and the rest of the Uchiha clan are dead, Only Madara and Sasuke are left of that ones proud powerful clan, jut like Tsunade is all thats left of the Ones powerful Senju Clan. Let it be, their ghost are in the past of the village. Their time has come to a painful end. Madara cheated them of a future.
 
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Let's play a game of what if... what if madara and izuna agreed to switch eyes. They would need a medical ninja for the process like kakashi and obito and far as I know madara was not a medical ninja(sidenote: if madara and izuna did know medical jutsu they could've alternated switching eyes and healing each other) that would make tobi 2 people which would explain why he only has one rinnegan, they are splitting everything. If most of itachi's story was a lie and danzo's whole appearance was a deception who's to say it couldn't happen. Hell every elder in the Leaf Village was lying to Naruto right to his face. They could've told him his dad was hokage and his mom was the previous host... so with all that's kept in the dark I see a good chance of both izuna and madara both being tobi
 

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Let's play a game of what if... what if madara and izuna agreed to switch eyes. They would need a medical ninja for the process like kakashi and obito and far as I know madara was not a medical ninja(sidenote: if madara and izuna did know medical jutsu they could've alternated switching eyes and healing each other) that would make tobi 2 people which would explain why he only has one rinnegan, they are splitting everything. If most of itachi's story was a lie and danzo's whole appearance was a deception who's to say it couldn't happen. Hell every elder in the Leaf Village was lying to Naruto right to his face. They could've told him his dad was hokage and his mom was the previous host... so with all that's kept in the dark I see a good chance of both izuna and madara both being tobi
I never really thought of it like that..:eek: But one thing is majorly wrong with that theory and that is the fact that Madaras eyes were done with dude.. He went blind so how could have they switched.. UNLESS they switched before Madara went blind but that would throw the WHOLE timeline and events off.
 
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they weren't completely done, they were almost done just like itachi's and just like sasuke's... they just had to be switched. they said that they lost light with the original user... what happens after izanagi is different than over using the eyes...and then again, this is ASSUMING Madara was lying in the first place, he andizunaalways practiced together and i figure they were almost equals... which means izuna's sight had to be fading too. and the eye level is irrelevant... i'm sure Danzo didn't use all the eyes and make them evolve to the point he could use izanagi with all of them, where would he train or practice, someone would have known he had sharingan and had to keep that a secret too...in my assumption, everything we've been told is more or less a lie, which it has been so far...lol so the way i see it, it doesn't matter who's eyes are put in, they become whatever level the original user was...and they can still grow. At first i was confused at how Kakashi's sharingan evolved... seeing as though he's not an Uchiha... but apparently anyone with an eye can make it progress... What i want to know is does "tobi" have Susann'o and ameratsu... and if Madara had them, why didn't he use them to fight the first... I know an fire you can't put out burns well on wood...lol
 
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they weren't completely done, they were almost done just like itachi's and just like sasuke's... they just had to be switched. they said that they lost light with the original user... what happens after izanagi is different than over using the eyes...and then again, this is ASSUMING Madara was lying in the first place, he andizunaalways practiced together and i figure they were almost equals... which means izuna's sight had to be fading too. and the eye level is irrelevant... i'm sure Danzo didn't use all the eyes and make them evolve to the point he could use izanagi with all of them, where would he train or practice, someone would have known he had sharingan and had to keep that a secret too...in my assumption, everything we've been told is more or less a lie, which it has been so far...lol so the way i see it, it doesn't matter who's eyes are put in, they become whatever level the original user was...and they can still grow. At first i was confused at how Kakashi's sharingan evolved... seeing as though he's not an Uchiha... but apparently anyone with an eye can make it progress... What i want to know is does "tobi" have Susann'o and ameratsu... and if Madara had them, why didn't he use them to fight the first... I know an fire you can't put out burns well on wood...lol
Yea youre right.. I agree with you on that part with Tobi being a straight up liar dude. I feel like theres some fishy stuff goin on with Madara and Izuna tho.. Dead or alive, something has been lied about.
 

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Izuna Uchiha may be in the six coffin to confront Madara, Madara says Izuna willingly gave up His eyes to Madara, other say Madara toke them by force. Kabuto could use the brothers to continue the fight if Madara toke the eyes by force Kabuto may encourage Izuma to take them back. At lest that may have been the plan before Madara got the Rinnegan. Now that Madara has Rinnegan it changes the complexity of Kabuto calculations.
 

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Okay guys dont flame me for a thought. In my opnion, I dont think he is Izuna, but what if he really was.

What if instead of Izunas eyes being taken it was the other way around? WHat if it was Izuna that faced the 1st hokage and not Madara?

They never said Izuna died, Tobi just mentioned that his eyes were given for the sake of the clan. The images of him in the casket can all be fabrications of Tobi. Weve already seen Tobi lie to Sasuke about the 9 Tailed attack so whats stopping him from lying about anything more?

Maybe Kabutos ace is really Madara Uchiha and not Izuna.U_U
tobi was just a code name for madara, but nice theory
 

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Madara use the name Tobi to keep an eye on the rest of the group to see who He could depend on and gage their power. Nothing more. I am sure than in the over 100 years of Madara life He has gone by so many different names and disguises to get were He is now working in the shadows until the time and place for Him to reveal Himself.
 

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After all this speculation tho.. Why is he STILL wearing the mask?? Hes declared war for heavenz sake. He went to the Kage summit etc etc.. Why still hide his face? -_-

Im tired of hearing "Hes probably ugly, hes probably scarred." thats BS Let him show his ugly face xd
 

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After all this speculation tho.. Why is he STILL wearing the mask?? Hes declared war for heavenz sake. He went to the Kage summit etc etc.. Why still hide his face? -_-

Im tired of hearing "Hes probably ugly, hes probably scarred." thats BS Let him show his ugly face xd
Agreed, he can't be uglier than Sasugay :D

And anyway like he'd give a shit of how he looks like.

Or someone thinks that one hundred years old guy is an immature teeneegar who's hidding his face because of acme and pimples?
 
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Tobi wears the mask to cover the fact that he's 2 different people. Let's say izuna and madara are around the same size, outside of the voices everything under the robe and mask appears to be the same. In the manga the lettering was different, in the anime and on the video game there's distinct differences in the voices.
 
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