kisamexRocks
Active member
Here's the thing, that is your opinion, and here is another, if you are tired of me telling people that Izuna is dead and Madara is Tobi, then here is an easy tip DO NOT READ MY POST. NO ONE is forcing you to read it.
Within the fight against Konan, Madara reveals Izanagi and what it is, what makes you think that Madara didn't use Izanagi to trick everyone and keep himself alive. He used Izanagi against konan to save himself. He then most DEFINITELY used Izanagi to survive against Hashirama. Why not use Izanagi against an opponent that is 100000000000 times stronger than Konan? By saying he didn't is just stupid. Why else would Madara be in a fight, use Izanagi to trick everyone into believing he is dead and then have Hashirama's DNA, 100 000 Zetsu clones, and some other things we don't know of. There is no point.
Tsunade is in her 50's, she uses her chakra to make herself look young. Not everyone in the naruto universe has to be extremely old and have grey/white hair. kakuzu died at the age of 91 but he didn't have grey/white hair.
And what makes your logic so factual?
Wow, no shit sherlock. It's called sarcasm.
Then there was really no need for that in your post now was there? PS watch the language
Who said he was lieng? My point is that cover "Power of Madara" just tells us about power of Madara, which Tobi could posses.
it's not just the cover text, there is another text above the one like you stated, and it says, "Madara appears, what is Madara after?", then the next is "Madara look son as the two shinobi battle"
I will explain it to like to a kid :
Let's pretend Itachi invented Susanoo, noone can master this jutsu for several decades. Than Sasuke shows up and learns this jutsu. Sasuke wouldn't say - hey look all it's "Power of Sasuke", he would say look at me, I have mastered Susanoo... "The power of Itachi!".
Then what other shinobi would have such vast information, and chakra/techniques exactly like that of which Madara would have. how would anyone else know of his Moon's Eye plan. I understand what you are trying to say but unless otherwise, Madara is alive and is under the name of Tobi.
Well, I hope you got my point.
Only man(or plant) to know the truth behind Tobi is Zetsu and you know what? He never called him Madara.
OK, so let's think. Who should I believe? Bunch of deceived fools like Kisame and Pain or someone who really knows what's going on and Tobi's true identity?
We don't know what Zetsu is, perhaps he is a creation of Uchiha and Senju. That is what the manga so far says, and if that is true then he is a clone/creation of both Hashirama Senju AND Madara Uchiha.
Kisame has seen Madara's face 2 times.
You fool, he has never seen real Madara, he only saw Tobi, 2 times. And I doubt Kisame has any idea of how real Madara looks like.
What makes you think that someone else could control the Mizukage for so long and create such an organization and do all of these things, hunt hosts, wage war against 5 nations, deceive everyone? please name me one man that can do all this that IS alive.
Tobi has shown his face to some ppl.
Like Kisame, Zetsu, possibly Itachi. 3 people.
In episode where Sasuke is fighting Naruto at the 5 kage arc, Zetsu confronts Tobi at his lair and Tobi is seen w/o mask, tho from the back-view.
he was repairing his lost arm, why would you wear a mast to repair a body part in a hidden location that the 5 nations do not know about.
So we may assume, he's not hidding his face because it's ugly, deformated or just old and wrinkly. He does that because some ppl may not recognize him as the real Madara. Which would ruin his plans, obviosly.
I can understand, there can be a possibility that he is deformed because maybe he is using some jutsu to trya nd make himself young again or something, who knows.
Itachi knows that Madara is alive
Itachi could have been fooled. Tobi himself said that Itachi thought he knew everything about him but in reality he didn't. Thus why his Amaterasu inplant failed to kill Tobi.
That was appointed to his powers, on how he can erase himself possibly fooling Amaterasu.
so does Onoki, who fought alongside Madara.
As far as I know, he fought against him not with him. Infact, I don't even recall him or any other saying that they have met each other before.
Tho naruto.wiki says they did meet so I'll asume its true.
I believe it was Onoki that said he fought against Madara in the past, think it was just after everyone fought Sasuke and Madar revealed his Moons Eye Plan, and the Neutral village guy said that Onoki's village had used Akatsuki numerous times.
And Onoki like any other non-akatsuki doesn't know if Madara is still alive.
He was shocked to find out about Madara still being alive so please stop making up stuff just to make your posts look better.
I'm not making anything up, everyone would be shocked if the person they thought was dead bu is actually alive. Wouldn't you?
Yes, the Manga is totally real life and effects everyones thoughts towards him. he's so totally Obito, a 13 year old dead Uchiha that wears goggles so that dust doesn't make him cry.
I was just asking you not to be a fool like everyone else in the manga. Believing Tobis lies and being manipulated like bunch of kids. This had no connection with your or anyones else real life.
It was sarcasm, all i was saying is there is no reason to be tricked by a character if all you do is read the manga and enjoy it. I have my thoughts on who Tobi is and i'll share them, that's the whole point of discussions.
Srsly, f you douchebag. You should read manga yourself. Most of the stuff you wrote here is just made-up crap to make ur posts look logic enough to fool a 4 year old kid.
How is it made up crap, it's a logical conclusion to look towards. madara uses Izanagi to survive against Konan, who is possibly way way way weaker than Hashirama. What makes you think Madara didn't use Izanagi against Hashirama. Why are you getting angry? There is no reason to call names and say f u to people over what the say. Everyone has a way of posting, DEAL WITH IT!
Madara never said he fought Hashirama to get his dna. Tobi said to Konan that the one who thought ahead and planned deep in future is the real winner.
Is it that hard to understand?
And is it hard to understand that Madara could have used that plan and worked on his vengeance or control in the future?
And there's definetly no proof to Madara using Izanagi lol.
He could have just used Zetsu. Kisame-Zetsu clone fooled Raikage and Killer-Bee so it could have fooled Hashirama.
Zetsu can copy everything from the one he touches. Altho, the clone is slightly weaker than the Original thus why Hashirama was able to defeat Madara?
LOL Are you seriously using that? The most logical conclusion to who Zetsu is, is him being a clone of Hashirama and Uchiha Madara. And this could have been achieved long after their fight. The Zetsu clone is a distraction purpose, copies the chakra but it has not been seen fully in battle, all the Kisame/clone did was switch places under water so Kisame can infiltrate Kumogakure
Personaly, I don't see how could someone as powerfull as Madara with his EMS loose to Hashirama. Unless Hashirama had some intense powers that we don't know about yet, like some super-senju SO6P powers. Maybe Hashirama awaked rinnegan in that battle?
Hashirama could not have awakened any eye technique.
Like I have said before. He has showed his face to some ppl before. They had no problem with his face so this is clearly not the case.
Who were all the people he showed his face too? Kisame(1st - When he gained Samehada, 2nd, After Itachi's death., Zetsu, itachi possibly? That's it?
He does Posses EMS. You don't lose your EMS.
We have never seen Madaras EMS or atleast MS in Tobis eyes. Not even when using his space-time jutsus, NOT EVEN when he controlled kyuubi and it was said before that you need MS to control kyuubi.
So that means that Tobi/Madara/??? has MS, and it doesn't have to be used(the appearance) to have it be able to control the Kyuubi, all it says is the user has to have MS.
By overusing MS you can loose eyesight. Madara completly loosed his eyesight(if we believe him), Itachi almost loosed it, and Sasuke was starting to loose his sight by overusing his MS.
By obtaining EMS you can escape that negative side-effect and never loose eyesight again.
So if Madara would loose Izunas eyes he would loose his EMS too.
True, then somehow he might have lost his EMS eyes and now has a huge amount of Sharingan eyes as back up to whenever he uses his techniques or MS or anything for that matter.
I never said he had Shisui manipulating powers. I said it was similar to Shisuis.
I only said it because that's what 5th Mizukage said.
I's closeto the same difference. but it could be the same/similar technique but perhaps improved somehow.
And you know what? Danzo only took Shisuis right Eye. He didn't took both.
Left eye is either missing or was taken by Tobi. Itachi murdered Shisui after meeting with Tobi. I guess he needed that eye to further use it in his plans (manipulating ppl/bijuu?).
Possibly, but he was able to manipulate the fox, long before the Uchia massacre had occurred.
3 - Killed all his clan members because Itachi wanted to prevent war against the ANBU/Konoha.
That's just another bullcrap. Who do think threw the idea of coup de'tat to Uchiha clan in the first place? It was all manipulated by him just to obtain more sharingan and gain all of the Uchiha power to himself. He didn't want the possibility of anyone becoming more powerfull sharingan user then he is.
Now you're thinking, Madara is a shell of his former self, so if someone had increased their power and became a stronger Sharingan user(possibly the upcoming Sasuke Era T_T) then they could defeat him, that is a great idea.
A loser, the first to awaken his MS, the first to achieve EMS, Claimed victory over Senju Hashirama, Survived for 100 years, tamed the Nine Tails Demon Fox, Became the Mizukage, Has unbelievable powers, Created an organization with incredible Ninja's, virtually immortal, has great knowledge of Sage of Six paths, one of the Strongest ninja's to ever exist.
Most definitely a loser. Thanks for trying though!
Thanks man!
Survived for 100 years. - kakuzu lived for 91 years. So it's possible.
Prove it! Oh well, you can't. Atleast not until we see who the masked man truly is.
You cannot prove that Tobi is not Madara, so we are at a stand still until the mask comes off, and hopefully it's soon.
I don't reember who said it and in which chapter but someone said that the true purpose/meaning of the sharingan is to control the bijuu/juubi. So im not suprised that he could have controlled him.
With the collection of dna, sharingan and the information Tobi posses it shouldn't be too hard for him.
I Think it was Itachi, when he was telling Sasuke about Madara's past or just before they fought each other.
i never said that the tablets are about Madara, they were about SO6P, Ten Tailed Beast, and even the clans secrets. perhaps maybe Madara was on the tablets, who knows.
