[Theory] Tobi Is Really Izuna Uchiha?

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@SPOP: Bro, seriously. You think your opinion is going to change anything? Madara is Tobi. No way around it. Your sappy theory and wack opinion isn't going to change the FACT THAT TOBI IS MADARA!

Itachi called him Madara when he was alive. Sasuke calls him Madara. Madara revealed himself as MADARA at the Kage Summit. No way for you to say otherwise.

Plus many other people have stated the fight between Hashirama and Madara. Not only that but Izuna died before Madara fought Hashirama at VE.


:flaw: yourself until you get it.


BUT IN SAYING THAT AND RE-READING YOUR THEORY... It wouldn't surprise one bit if it was Izuna all along.
 
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Obito is dead, he died during the 3rd ninja war, the theories on that Tobi is Obito is all false and plain stupid.

Wow, no shit sherlock. It's called sarcasm.

Manga is written by Kishimoto, the CREATOR of Naruto. There is no reason to lie about the cover text.

Who said he was lieng? My point is that cover "Power of Madara" just tells us about power of Madara, which Tobi could posses.

I will explain it to like to a kid :

Let's pretend Itachi invented Susanoo, noone can master this jutsu for several decades. Than Sasuke shows up and learns this jutsu. Sasuke wouldn't say - hey look all it's "Power of Sasuke", he would say look at me, I have mastered Susanoo... "The power of Itachi!".

Well, I hope you got my point.


Only man(or plant) to know the truth behind Tobi is Zetsu and you know what? He never called him Madara.
OK, so let's think. Who should I believe? Bunch of deceived fools like Kisame and Pain or someone who really knows what's going on and Tobi's true identity?

Kisame has seen Madara's face 2 times.

You fool, he has never seen real Madara, he only saw Tobi, 2 times. And I doubt Kisame has any idea of how real Madara looks like.

If you pay attention to what Zetsu's whole role is in the akatsuki and to Madara you would understand that he is the only one that knows the real truth to why Madara is hiding.

Tobi has shown his face to some ppl.

In episode where Sasuke is fighting Naruto at the 5 kage arc, Zetsu confronts Tobi at his lair and Tobi is seen w/o mask, tho from the back-view.

So we may assume, he's not hidding his face because it's ugly, deformated or just old and wrinkly. He does that because some ppl may not recognize him as the real Madara. Which would ruin his plans, obviosly.

Itachi knows that Madara is alive

Itachi could have been fooled. Tobi himself said that Itachi thought he knew everything about him but in reality he didn't. Thus why his Amaterasu inplant failed to kill Tobi.

so does Onoki, who fought alongside Madara.

As far as I know, he fought against him not with him. Infact, I don't even recall him or any other saying that they have met each other before.
Tho naruto.wiki says they did meet so I'll asume its true.

And Onoki like any other non-akatsuki doesn't know if Madara is still alive.
He was shocked to find out about Madara still being alive so please stop making up stuff just to make your posts look better.


Yes, the Manga is totally real life and effects everyones thoughts towards him. he's so totally Obito, a 13 year old dead Uchiha that wears goggles so that dust doesn't make him cry.

I was just asking you not to be a fool like everyone else in the manga. Believing Tobis lies and being manipulated like bunch of kids. This had no connection with your or anyones else real life.

Again, read the manga, the only reason the fight happened was so that Madara could get Hashirama's DNA. So please read the manga before saying "the fight hasn't been solved" Madara lost on purpose, used Izanagi to make everyone believe he was dead so he can plot his revenge int he future. Is it that hard to understand?

Srsly, f you douchebag. You should read manga yourself. Most of the stuff you wrote here is just made-up crap to make ur posts look logic enough to fool a 4 year old kid.

Madara never said he fought Hashirama to get his dna. Tobi said to Konan that the one who thought ahead and planned deep in future is the real winner.
Is it that hard to understand?

And there's definetly no proof to Madara using Izanagi lol.
He could have just used Zetsu. Kisame-Zetsu clone fooled Raikage and Killer-Bee so it could have fooled Hashirama.
Zetsu can copy everything from the one he touches. Altho, the clone is slightly weaker than the Original thus why Hashirama was able to defeat Madara?

Personaly, I don't see how could someone as powerfull as Madara with his EMS loose to Hashirama. Unless Hashirama had some intense powers that we don't know about yet, like some super-senju SO6P powers. Maybe Hashirama awaked rinnegan in that battle?


Mask = Conceals his face(could be damaged or concealing his eyes. He uses Izanagi behind his mask. If people knew he was defenseless or damaged and couldn't defend himself properly they would attack him.

Like I have said before. He has showed his face to some ppl before. They had no problem with his face so this is clearly not the case.

He does Posses EMS. You don't lose your EMS.

We have never seen Madaras EMS or atleast MS in Tobis eyes. Not even when using his space-time jutsus, NOT EVEN when he controlled kyuubi and it was said before that you need MS to control kyuubi.

By overusing MS you can loose eyesight. Madara completly loosed his eyesight(if we believe him), Itachi almost loosed it, and Sasuke was starting to loose his sight by overusing his MS.
By obtaining EMS you can escape that negative side-effect and never loose eyesight again.
So if Madara would loose Izunas eyes he would loose his EMS too.



1 - Madara's genjutsu/ eye powers are advanced but he doesn't have Shisui's manipulating powers, the only reason he controlled the Mizukage/3 tails beast was because the tailed beasts are easily controlled by the sharingan, and the mizukage was a jinchuuriki during that time.

I never said he had Shisui manipulating powers. I said it was similar to Shisuis.
I only said it because that's what 5th Mizukage said.

And you know what? Danzo only took Shisuis right Eye. He didn't took both.
Left eye is either missing or was taken by Tobi. Itachi murdered Shisui after meeting with Tobi. I guess he needed that eye to further use it in his plans (manipulating ppl/bijuu?).



3 - Killed all his clan members because Itachi wanted to prevent war against the ANBU/Konoha.

That's just another bullcrap. Who do think threw the idea of coup de'tat to Uchiha clan in the first place? It was all manipulated by him just to obtain more sharingan and gain all of the Uchiha power to himself. He didn't want the possibility of anyone becoming more powerfull sharingan user then he is.

A loser, the first to awaken his MS, the first to achieve EMS, Claimed victory over Senju Hashirama, Survived for 100 years, tamed the Nine Tails Demon Fox, Became the Mizukage, Has unbelievable powers, Created an organization with incredible Ninja's, virtually immortal, has great knowledge of Sage of Six paths, one of the Strongest ninja's to ever exist.

Most definitely a loser. Thanks for trying though!

Half of the things you have mentioned was done by Madara not Tobi.

Claimed victory over Senju Hashirama

Claiming victory while being defeated is not something to brag about ;D

Survived for 100 years.

Prove it! Oh well, you can't. Atleast not until we see who the masked man truly is.

Tamed the Nine Tails.

I don't reember who said it and in which chapter but someone said that the true purpose/meaning of the sharingan is to control the bijuu/juubi. So im not suprised that he could have controlled him.
With the collection of dna, sharingan and the information Tobi posses it shouldn't be too hard for him.
If we compare Tobi to Madara than yes, he's a looser. Madara would have wiped the floor with those five kages.

Anyway, thanks for trying! ;)
 
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Tobi is Madara, Izuna is dead, unless proven otherwise Madara is and always will be Tobi.

Not bashing your idea but I don't think it's possible, there is no reason for the tablets in the Uchiha clan to be a lie. Itachi read them himself and most of the things itachi said are not lies. But it's a good theory, well much better than Obito is Tobi lol.
I don't really think he is Madara. Why would he come out of no where and say he's Madara, tell everyone his plans, but still keeps his face hidden.
 

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Tobi is Madara, Izuna is dead, unless proven otherwise Madara is and always will be Tobi.

Not bashing your idea but I don't think it's possible, there is no reason for the tablets in the Uchiha clan to be a lie. Itachi read them himself and most of the things itachi said are not lies. But it's a good theory, well much better than Obito is Tobi lol.
What does the secret tablet has to do with his idea/theory lol? You never stop to amaze me with ur posts.

OT: Tablet was left by SO6P or Uchiha ancestor. They have info on rinnegan and its powers, The Juubi and the story behind SO6P. They do not have any info on Madara, Izuna or MadaraxHashirama fight.
 

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@SPOP: Bro, seriously. You think your opinion is going to change anything? Madara is Tobi. No way around it. Your sappy theory and wack opinion isn't going to change the FACT THAT TOBI IS MADARA!

Itachi called him Madara when he was alive. Sasuke calls him Madara. Madara revealed himself as MADARA at the Kage Summit. No way for you to say otherwise.

Plus many other people have stated the fight between Hashirama and Madara. Not only that but Izuna died before Madara fought Hashirama at VE.


:flaw: yourself until you get it.


BUT IN SAYING THAT AND RE-READING YOUR THEORY... It wouldn't surprise one bit if it was Izuna all along.
Im not even talking about my theory anymore..

Try to understand what youre saying.. A man that has never removed his mask revealing his face is calling himself Madara....So you believe it Lol

To believe he is Madara is a theory in itself. You cant call the unknown a fact.

"MADARA IS TOBI..." Since when? Since when has he been revealed? Never:flaw:
 

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@SPOP: Bro, seriously. You think your opinion is going to change anything? Madara is Tobi. No way around it. Your sappy theory and wack opinion isn't going to change the FACT THAT TOBI IS MADARA!

Itachi called him Madara when he was alive. Sasuke calls him Madara. Madara revealed himself as MADARA at the Kage Summit. No way for you to say otherwise.

Plus many other people have stated the fight between Hashirama and Madara. Not only that but Izuna died before Madara fought Hashirama at VE.


:flaw: yourself until you get it.


BUT IN SAYING THAT AND RE-READING YOUR THEORY... It wouldn't surprise one bit if it was Izuna all along.
can you tell me when itachi stated that tobi is madara? he only says how madara took his brother's eyes and he got EMS and now how he will do the same thing by taking sasuke's eyes
 

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seriously dude if we all supposedly know his madara than why have the mask? he doesn't want us to know who he really is​
Finally your now saying what i was saying earlier..

That other dude was continuously saying TOBI IS MADARA TOBI IS MADARA LOL

We wont know it until the mask is revealed.. Otherwise everything he says until then is either the truth or a lie right?

With that said weve already exposed him to be a liar. So what else can we expect from him but lies U_U

The only person who knows him is Zetsu and guess what... He still calls him Tobi
 

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Finally your now saying what i was saying earlier..

That other dude was continuously saying TOBI IS MADARA TOBI IS MADARA LOL

We wont know it until the mask is revealed.. Otherwise everything he says until then is either the truth or a lie right?

With that said weve already exposed him to be a liar. So what else can we expect from him but lies U_U

The only person who knows him is Zetsu and guess what... He still calls him Tobi
yea i know .. but i could understand them y he would say is tobi bc of madara's hair style and the fact that his right side of his body is fcked up.. but that probably bc he had other battles that made him that way but like i said that mask is there so no one knows who he really is​
 

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i wanna join in lol. i am convinced that Tobi is Madara.. BUT if he were to be Izuna i think it would go like this.. Izuna gave his eyes to Madara for the good of the clan, Madara dies in battle, Izuna fakes his death in battle (easier to work behind the scenes) gets a new pair of Shaingan or Madaras EMS, swears revenge against the hidden leaf for the death of his brother and tells everyone he is Madara because he wants to tike fear into everyone and because Izuna was known as being honorable, he couldn't use his own name ir people wouldn't be afraid of him


i also had another theory about why Madara keeps his mask on aswell.


i think he keeps the mask on because even though everyone suspects him, no one knows for sure that it is him, he s keeping everyone in the dark. if he were to reveil himself, people would know more about him and his abilities and possibly figure out a way to beat him.


and as for Kabuto's last coffin, if Tobi is Izuna, the coffin is Madara, if Tobi is Madara, the coffin is Izuna. Izuna was on par with Madara in ability and strength, you could say Izuna is the only person Madara feared because they were so close. and if Izuna were in the coffin, he'd be pissed off with what Madara has become.

this is all xD
 

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even though most evidence points to Tobi = Madara, there is a posibility that Tobi = Izuna too, Izuna knew Madara the best out of everyone, he would have known about Madaras plans etc and wants to get revenge on the hidden leaf for segregating his clan. hell, Tobi could be Izuna and Madara xD
 

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even though most evidence points to Tobi = Madara, there is a posibility that Tobi = Izuna too, Izuna knew Madara the best out of everyone, he would have known about Madaras plans etc and wants to get revenge on the hidden leaf for segregating his clan. hell, Tobi could be Izuna and Madara xD
I like your theories dude.. I just dont like it when sum ppl try to force ppl to believe it is him with no real evidence.. Otherwise i like here other peoples theories
 

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I like your theories dude.. I just dont like it when sum ppl try to force ppl to believe it is him with no real evidence.. Otherwise i like here other peoples theories
i know what you mean. everyone has opinions, i hate people that force other people to believe stuff to. i would've posted evidence but it's really late here and i have work in the morning. i think Kishi has left Tobi's mask in to create all this speculation, to keep people guessing and cause arguments like these xD
 

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izuna is dead we saw him dead in a coffin
when madara was talking to sasuke he said that the hashirama and uchiha clan were exhausted from battle and then there was a room full of coffin's of the uchiha
and then there was a coffin where izuna is laying with bandages on his eyes
 

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Kabuto's Edo Tensei :3
OR....
Could have been a clone to fool everyone. I'm just sayin'



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Everyone believed Madara was dead, wouldn't they need proof of that to confirn he's dead? just sayin' a lot of people have been 'dead' but they still seem to appear again. :3
 
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