Tobi can't phase through Shinra Tensei, Banshō Ten'in, and Chibaku Tensei

[neowisdom]

I think he can. Shinra Tensei itself isn't gravity, Nagato uses his gravity power in order to generate pressure waves. Since Tobi is dematerialized, the shockwaves would pass through him. And I'm not sure gravity can affect him, after all Tobi can just sink into the ground and come back up. If gravity does affect him he would just sink in the matter when he's dematerialized. And how Chibaku Tensei will hurt Tobi? Even if he gets attracted he would pass through the rocks anyways.

I believe Shinra Tensei is just the reverse of the pull of gravity but more condensed. So Shinra Tensei should still be able to hit Tobi.

I will admit that it seems Tobi is able to manipulate gravity to SOME degree. But my theory is that Tobi can only manipulate gravity when he's under the Earth. So Tobi can't control gravity while he's above ground. If Tobi is able to manipulate gravity above ground then he would be able to fly. So far I have not seen Tobi flown.

If Tobi could fly then during the Konan fight while he was falling Tobi would have flown and phased through the left/right side wall of water and explosive tags and then teleported away while underwater because it would have taken time for Konan to reach Tobi underwater.

I do believe though that if Tobi is inside Chibaku Tensei he would be able to move around freely inside with his control of gravity. Tobi can't leave Chibaku Tensei because he can't manipulate the gravity to fly away or fall once he's outside of Chibaku Tensei. The rocks would crush Tobi if he tried to teleport away while inside Chibaku Tensei since he materializes during teleportation. If Tobi tries to teleport away from Chibaku Tensei while outside then he would be open to attack at the moment he materializes to teleport.

 

[mat2720]

I will admit that it seems Tobi is able to manipulate gravity to SOME degree. But my theory is that Tobi can only manipulate gravity when he's under the Earth. So Tobi can't control gravity while he's above ground. If Tobi is able to manipulate gravity above ground then he would be able to fly. So far I have not seen Tobi flown.

If Tobi could fly then during the Konan fight while he was falling Tobi would have flown and phased through the left/right side wall of water and explosive tags and then teleported away while underwater because it would have taken time for Konan to reach Tobi underwater.

I do believe though that if Tobi is inside Chibaku Tensei he would be able to move around freely inside with his control of gravity. BUT Tobi can't leave Chibaku Tensei because he can't manipulate the gravity to fly away or fall once he's outside of Chibaku Tensei. The rocks would crush Tobi if he tried to teleport away while inside Chibaku Tensei since he materializes during teleportation. If Tobi tries to teleport away from Chibaku Tensei while outside then he would be open to attack at the moment he materializes to teleport. So in the end I still believe Tobi is NOT ABLE to phase through Shinra Tensei, Banshō Ten'in, and Chibaku Tensei.

Thanks for admitting you are wrong a lil bit not many people do, but i think u are missing my point a lil. If he can phase outside of reality for 5 mins like konan stated, then a gravity based attack that lasts for less than that time will deffinately have no effect. Yes an attack like the one that created the moon (cant remember the name) lasts a lot longer and is a much stronger gravity based attack, BUT a skilled fighter like tobi will more than likely come to the conclusion that itachi did and destroy the core of the attack to end it. So it still might aswell have no effect at all, but as i was saying it all depends on how long it lasts for.

Also if he is indeed some sort of copy of madara, then he could have the same ability as oonoki to fly because of the sharingan and because madara knew oonoki before he died. Assuming that this ability is not part of a kekkei genkai.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Well Nagato was stated to be the strongest in the akatsuki while s/t tobi so hes stronger.I believe he can avoid Chibaku tensei and Bansho Tenin but to attack others he will have to go solid meaning gravity manipulation would work but he can avoid any attack.

 

[neowisdom]

Thanks for admitting you are wrong a lil bit not many people do, but i think u are missing my point a lil. If he can phase outside of reality for 5 mins like konan stated, then a gravity based attack that lasts for less than that time will deffinately have no effect. Yes an attack like the one that created the moon (cant remember the name) lasts a lot longer and is a much stronger gravity based attack, BUT a skilled fighter like tobi will more than likely come to the conclusion that itachi did and destroy the core of the attack to end it. So it still might aswell have no effect at all, but as i was saying it all depends on how long it lasts for.

Also if he is indeed some sort of copy of madara, then he could have the same ability as oonoki to fly because of the sharingan and because madara knew oonoki before he died. Assuming that this ability is not part of a kekkei genkai.

We still don't know how long Chibaku Tensei can actually last so that's undecided. If you're talking about Tobi before Rinnegan then I don't think he would be able to destroy Chibaku Tensei since he never showed any attack powerful enough to destroy it. It took three powerful attacks to destroy Nagato's Chibaku Tensei so Tobi before Rinnegan would not have any attacks strong enough to destroy it.

I don't think Madara could copy Oonoki's flying ability. If Madara could fly then he would have done so by now. And it seems as though the Sharingan can't copy every techinque even if they are not Kekkei Genkai. If the Sharingan could copy every jutsu then Sasuke would have already copied the Raikage's techniques and more.

 

[mat2720]

We still don't know how long Chibaku Tensei can actually last so that's undecided. If you're talking about Tobi before Rinnegan then I don't think he would be able to destroy Chibaku Tensei since he never showed any attack powerful enough to destroy it. It took three powerful attacks to destroy Nagato's Chibaku Tensei so Tobi before Rinnegan would not have any attacks strong enough to destroy it.

I don't think Madara could copy Oonoki's flying ability. If Madara could fly then he would have done so by now. And it seems as though the Sharingan can't copy every techinque even if they are not Kekkei Genkai. If the Sharingan could copy every jutsu then Sasuke would have already copied the Raikage's techniques and more.

We dont know wether or not tobi has an ability strong enough to do it single handedly, but we cant assume that it actually needed three full powered attacks to do it, i think Bee, naruto and itachi just did it all at once just incase it didnt work the first time, it was their only chance before getting sucked in they didnt have time to make mistakes.

+ Uchihas fake or otherwise are crafty arseholes they always have something hidden until its needed we cant assume that he cant copy it :') Also sasuke cant copy it because it is a bloodline expansion, if they cant copy bloodline limits then they cant copy bloodline expansions.

 

[neowisdom]

Well Nagato was stated to be the strongest in the akatsuki while s/t tobi so hes stronger.I believe he can avoid Chibaku tensei and Bansho Tenin but to attack others he will have to go solid meaning gravity manipulation would work but he can avoid any attack.

Are you saying Nagato or Pre-Rinnegan Tobi is the strongest in Akatsuki? I believe Shinra Tensei would hit Tobi even if he was intangible. And I think Nagato could have beaten Pre-Rinnegan Tobi.

 

[arv993]

the theory actually makes sense...

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if ct can affect tobi, it can be the perfect jutsu to kill him.

he will be pulled in along with the rocks,get surrounded by it, and once he tried to teleport, he'll get crushed.

why would he wait and try to get crushed by rocks. simple he just has to teleport out of the range of the CT

 

[arv993]

I will admit that it seems Tobi is able to manipulate gravity to SOME degree. But my theory is that Tobi can only manipulate gravity when he's under the Earth. So Tobi can't control gravity while he's above ground. If Tobi is able to manipulate gravity above ground then he would be able to fly. So far I have not seen Tobi flown.

If Tobi could fly then during the Konan fight while he was falling Tobi would have flown and phased through the left/right side wall of water and explosive tags and then teleported away while underwater because it would have taken time for Konan to reach Tobi underwater.

I do believe though that if Tobi is inside Chibaku Tensei he would be able to move around freely inside with his control of gravity. BUT Tobi can't leave Chibaku Tensei because he can't manipulate the gravity to fly away or fall once he's outside of Chibaku Tensei. The rocks would crush Tobi if he tried to teleport away while inside Chibaku Tensei since he materializes during teleportation. If Tobi tries to teleport away from Chibaku Tensei while outside then he would be open to attack at the moment he materializes to teleport. So in the end I still believe Tobi is NOT ABLE to phase through Shinra Tensei, Banshō Ten'in, and Chibaku Tensei.

he is not standing on the ground here as u can see. he is floating thus controlling gravity of his body above of the ground

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[Shin Zangetsu]

Ok just to blow your whole point to pieces and end the matter.

Tobi has been seen to phase right through the ground without getting injured in the sasuke fight between deidera, so even if tobi is slightly affected by gravity, howcome he didnt get sucked right into the center of the earth when he phased through the ground? he has to have some abiltity to manipulate it otherwise hed be stuck in the center of the earth Which further proves my point that those jutsus would have next to no effect on him

He does not have to concentrate chakra at his feet because! he is a SPACE TIME user! jeez -_- he obviously was falling because he wanted to in the konan fight -_-

This pretty much.

Intangibility on Tobi's part is pretty much him partially leaving this plane of existence which is why he can not interact with it physically nor be interacted with. Him levitating is another story. Levitating =/= flying. Tobi can control he effect gravity has on him if he's intangible or else he would have fallen through the tree when Naruto tried to hit him here.

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There are many flaws in tobi's defensive capabilities and i agree if it wasnt for the fact that he can teleport, out of situations the techniques you've listed will affect him, though not sure about ct.

Also dust release (if he was in the cube) will also affect him even if he stays intangible and didnt teleport

Where did you get that from? Tobi entered the Cube when it had already manifested in order to save Sasuke. For a brief moment he was exposed to it and came out unharmed. Even if he had stayed Dust Release wouldn't affect him during his five minutes of intangibility.

 

[neowisdom]

We dont know wether or not tobi has an ability strong enough to do it single handedly, but we cant assume that it actually needed three full powered attacks to do it, i think Bee, naruto and itachi just did it all at once just incase it didnt work the first time, it was their only chance before getting sucked in they didnt have time to make mistakes.

+ Uchihas fake or otherwise are crafty arseholes they always have something hidden until its needed we cant assume that he cant copy it :') Also sasuke cant copy it because it is a bloodline expansion, if they cant copy bloodline limits then they cant copy bloodline expansions.

I know that Sharingan can't copy Bloodline Expansions. I was talking about how Sasuke can't copy Raikage's jutsus which are not Bloodline Expansions.

 

[neowisdom]

why would he wait and try to get crushed by rocks. simple he just has to teleport out of the range of the CT

The moment that Tobi teleports is the moment that he materializes and is open for an attack. So teleporting away from Chibaku Tensei leaves Tobi vulnerable for attack.

 

[arv993]

I know that Sharingan can't copy Bloodline Expansions. I was talking about how Sasuke can't copy Raikage's jutsus which are not Bloodline Expansions.

yes sometimes kishi exaggerates stuff sometimes then has to pull back if he allowed sharingan to be able copy all normal techs. Sasuke would be a monster, think about with lightning armor and sussano that is hax to the extreme

 

[neowisdom]

he is not standing on the ground here as u can see. he is floating thus controlling gravity of his body above of the ground

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It's a manga. How can you know if he's standing or about to fall? If Tobi could control gravity then he would have flown into the water to escape Konan and the exploding tags.

 

[arv993]

The moment that Tobi teleports is the moment that he materializes and is open for an attack. So teleporting away from Chibaku Tensei leaves Tobi vulnerable for attack.

and who is gonna be able to attack him in a small window of time, the person who is using CT would have to use great amounts of chakra to even pull it off and its not instant by any means. Tobi's teleportation is fast even tho not minato's level its still pretty damn fast. But if u mean there are other assisting ninjas yea sure what you're saying can happen.

 

[arv993]

It's a manga. How can you know if he's standing or about to fall? If Tobi could control gravity then he would have flown into the water to escape Konan and the exploding tags.

he was floating not exactly flying. do u get the difference he cant fly like superman but he can still defy gravity in that he can float he was not standing on the ground. pain does the same thing he floats not necessarily flies like oonoki and muu

 

[TobisPawn]

He can phase through them...

 

[Kratos of cruxis]

Tobi wouldnt get hurt

 

[neowisdom]

This pretty much.

Intangibility on Tobi's part is pretty much him partially leaving this plane of existence which is why he can not interact with it physically nor be interacted with. Him levitating is another story. Levitating =/= flying. Tobi can control he effect gravity has on him if he's intangible or else he would have fallen through the tree when Naruto tried to hit him here.

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Where did you get that from? Tobi entered the Cube when it had already manifested in order to save Sasuke. For a brief moment he was exposed to it and came out unharmed. Even if he had stayed Dust Release wouldn't affect him during his five minutes of intangibility.

As I've said before, Tobi can control gravity only on the ground. So the only way for Tobi to avoid Shinra Tensei is if he phases through the ground and hide there. If Tobi is intangible on the ground then he can still be hit by Shinra Tensei. Tobi can not levitate or fly as shown with the Konan fight.

 

[neowisdom]

and who is gonna be able to attack him in a small window of time, the person who is using CT would have to use great amounts of chakra to even pull it off and its not instant by any means. Tobi's teleportation is fast even tho not minato's level its still pretty damn fast. But if u mean there are other assisting ninjas yea sure what you're saying can happen.

Summons can attack.

 

[neowisdom]

he was floating not exactly flying. do u get the difference he cant fly like superman but he can still defy gravity in that he can float he was not standing on the ground. pain does the same thing he floats not necessarily flies like oonoki and muu

How do you know Tobi was floating? It was a manga. As I've said before, Tobi can control gravity only on the ground. Tobi can phase through the ground and move freely under the Earth which is the power of gravity. BUT Tobi can not do that in the air. If Tobi could do it then he would be able to float and fly wherever.