This chapter had no logic

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Re: LOL Well its canon now. Logic is offically dead.

I think people are exagerating and we need to give Kishi time. We've called loopholes that get cleared up later, often by the next chapter or two from people *****ing.

First off, all Itachi said is that the Mangekyo AWAKENED a third power WITHIN him. Never that you specifically need to have the eyes to continue to use the technique. Remember the brain is what triggers changes to the eyes for the Uchiha and the Susanoo is a manifestation of their hatred so it could just as well actually be manifesting from their brain. This does not explain why a single Mangekyo user like Obito doesn't use Susanoo though, but we can add that Madara is a Yin-Yang user now so his ability to manifest things is greatly expanded now.

As for Madara taking these blows...A big part of the chapter was giving Gaara some screen time. It's a pattern where the good guys kick ass for a chapter, then the villain gets the upper hand. Remember Madara was using his Susanoo which is considered a better defense than Gaara's sand. His armor took the brunt of the tails and he still lost an arm which would pretty much be an auto-lose (Jiraiya) for most people but Madara has help. In reality it was a devastating blow but Madara keeps getting lucky with things happening at the right moment.

As for the eye pop...Remember he absorbed Hashirama's Senjutsu so he must also have his healing factor. This probably lets him pop in his appendages/eyes in place and auto-heal around it so no need for surgery downtime. Remember that Hashirama's cells are like Armstrong in Metal Gear: Nanomachines, son!
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It seems you are confused, Confusion. Tobirama Senju clearly stated only an Uchiha brain can trigger the Mangekyo evolution. Kakashi DID NOT evolve the eye, Obito is. Remember Obito saw what happened and that Obito had a connection to his Mangekyo even from a distance since he saw through Kakashi's eye. Once Rin dies Obito's rage triggers both Sharingan to evolve. This process drains Kakashi so much that it knocks him out and makes him lose memory of the process while Obito still has the power to destroy all the Anbu. You need to pay attention to the plot or else you'll always be as confused as your namesake.
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Yeah WickeDanneh. The people who rush through the manga often miss these little details and automaticall call plothole. It happens a lot.
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Kishimoto never said there had to be a PHYSICAL connection. Obito was not physically there when Kakashi first stabbed Rin but still saw that through Kakashi's eye because the connection works that way. The manga was made to clearly show it was Obito who activated it and not Kakashi. Re-read the same chapter several times and you'll be less confused. Don't ignore Tobirama's explanation either. It's the strong Yin affinity from the Uchiha brain patterns that give the Sharingan their boosts. Non-Uchiha don't have that yin affinity, not even Kurenai or Orochimaru who were high level users.

As for the intact Sharingan, look at Obito's wounds. They are not perfectly symmetrical. A boulder can have indentations to crush you unevenly. Just happened to be a gap around the cranium which prevented Obito's eye and BRAIN from being crushed. Obito never replaces the other side of his head because it's INTACT. Also the Sharingan is different for everyone which is why some Uchiha have unique Jutsu and why Madara's only activated with one tomoe. We can just assume that Obito could use Kamui without thinking for brief moments even without the Mangekyo.
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Kishimoto didn't need to say it if he SHOWED it. The fact that Kishimoto went out of his way to show that Obito was still connected to the Sharingan despite being far away when Rin was first stabbed was him showing there is a bond there. The way he explained that it's the UCHIHA BRAIN that sends signals to the Sharingan to evolve makes it clear. You don't need him to spell it out for you since he assumes you can make connections.

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Obito the one being enraged while Kakashi is worn out, disoriented, and fainting. Obviously in no condition to evolve the Sharingan (which he CANNOT without the godly Yin affinity that comes from the Uchiha brain).
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This it the reason Kakashi didn't remember for all those years that he had access to Mangekyo all along. He was practically already knocked out during the process.

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"When an UCHIHA who has known such strong feelings comes to lose them...The anguish and despair that proceeds from experiencing such loss...causes THEIR brains to release a special kind of chakra (Yin) that affects their optic nerves..."

By simple deduction we can rule out some things and come to a conclusion on what CAN and what CANNOT work. Since Kakashi's Sharingan had a connection to Obito even from a long distance then Yin-Release affects even without a physical connection and can still trigger an evolution. What we can RULE OUT is that Kakashi evolved the Sharingan because it takes the UCHIHA brain to release that special chakra. Thus it is COMMON SENSE that Obito was the one to evolve it and Kishimoto does not need to spell it out for you.

Now for the boulder gap...It doesn't take much weight to crush a human skull but Obito's cranium is unharmed as well as portions of his lower body. Example is that both his legs are made of flesh. The boulder was not perfectly symmetrical like you mistake it to be. If his leg is unharmed and his skull was not crushed then it is obvious there were MULTIPLE uneven spots on the boulder. You actually see the boulder covers up most of his body, even the other side yet he is completely unharmed on one side which further proves the boulder had MULTIPLE indentations.
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Differences on Sharingan? Two Tomoe Obito.
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One tomoe Madara.
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And Madara claiming Obito "slipped through"
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So since your emotions are at a peak when you're about to die it might briefly activate an MS level ability. We don't know for sure but Kishimoto hinted at something through Madara's words. If that's the case, Kakashi could not do it because he does not have that level of mastery due to lower Yin-Release.

I don't know how much simpler to make things for you.
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Re: LOL Well its canon now. Logic is offically dead.

We don't need logic when it comes to Hashirama and madara.
 

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This chapter I won't complain about people complaining. Madara using Susano'o was ass pull. That could mean he could use Tsukuyomi without eyes. Also how's he taking all that damage without being hurt? He can't be using Sage Mode
Tsukuyomi requires eye contract, so no. And Madara is not your ordinary shinobi

How did he survived. The bijuu????
A combination of sage mode, uchiha and senju abilities, and maybe the legendary shinobi's skills

Well, it seems Madara has Hashiramas regenerating abilities, it is the only explanation from all the damage, he has taken so far. So by placing the eye in his eye hole, he uses the regenerative abilities, and BOM he can use it....

And it wasn't Obitos rinnengan. You see it was a white Zetsu, that brought it. After all, Obito only had one of the rinnengans.

Although I agree, this sh*t is getting way out of bounds. I wish Kishi would give this war some better battle scenes towards the end of the entire manga, but seems he is just desperate now...
Yep, and Hashirama's sage mode may reduce the damage, thou he lost an arm.
And i kind of agree with the Kish's plot, e.g. they didnt stop Madara from the time of his reanimation to his reincarnation. A shinobi like that has to be stop, but i guess there's no plot in that.
idc what anyone says

1. this does not make sense

2. Madara breaks all the rules

stop trying to make this fit the logic the naruto series used to have.
It doesnt make sense to you*
 

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Re: LOL Well its canon now. Logic is offically dead.

Lol I feel so bad for people who make threads like these. For one they try to use logic in a ****in fantasy world. A world that is fiction for a reason. Secondly it seems to be these guys who always get shitted on within the next 2 chapters because of their lack of intelligence to simply use a bit of critical thinking skills. But no they go out of their way to make a thread just to complain. What's even worse is that the OP is complaining about Madara Uchiha, someone whose powers have been unknown during this whole goddamn series. People think they know this manga like the back of their hands and when something happens that is out of the ordinary or beyond their mediocre brains they are quick to start complaining and whining. Please just stfu and wait a couple of weeks so you retards can be spoon fed the information you seemed to be oh so confused about

We don't need logic when it comes to Hashirama and madara.

I'm ok with it having logic or at least some form of explanation, but the op just didn't want to see what was given to him. That's the problem.
 

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Re: LOL Well its canon now. Logic is offically dead.

How is it that Madara needed to switch between Rinnegan and Sharingan to use Preta path during his first edo appearance, but now he can perform six path techs and Susanoo with no eyes? So can Obito use Susanoo too with his 1 Sharingan? Kakashi?
 

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Re: LOL Well its canon now. Logic is offically dead.

1) Susano'O causes strain to the user's body and eyes to activate. Madara has NO eyes whatsoever.
2) Implanting an eye requires procedure. Madara just shoved his in and was ready to go.

Stop trying to make sense of nonsense.
 

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Speaking of logic, why did Madara get resurrected with no eyes? It either makes more sense for him to A) Be brought back to life with both rinnegan eyes like his Edo B) be brought back with EMS since thats what he had around the age he seems to be now before he died or C) have his original eyes with MS.

Being brought back with no eyes what so ever is random as hell. I'm sure in his life he was eyeless for probably a few minutes since Isuna willingly offered his when Madaa went blind. I'm sick of seeing Madara being so over powered. Hashirama and Madara being god like just because they're related to the sage with hundreds or even thousands of years of descendants since the sage died is a stupid excuse for making the two of them more powerful than five countries worth of ninjas. Why couldn't every senju and uchiha be that godly if all it took was being related to the sage of 6 paths. Kishi makes me want to punch him in the face for his bad story telling. The story should have ended with jyuubi infused Obito being defeated. There is nothing Madara could do now that would make me care.
 
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Re: This chapter had no logic...

he didnt take that eye from obito
that eye was the extra one, the right eye, which obito had stored somewhere at his hideout which white zetsu retrieved
black zetsu is in the process of getting obitos left eye
he didnt squash and it was his eye from the start so it should fit perfectly
also he has senju dna so his healing is much faster


agreed! :bouncy:
 
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Re: LOL Well its canon now. Logic is offically dead.

Kishimoto didn't need to say it if he SHOWED it. The fact that Kishimoto went out of his way to show that Obito was still connected to the Sharingan despite being far away when Rin was first stabbed was him showing there is a bond there. The way he explained that it's the UCHIHA BRAIN that sends signals to the Sharingan to evolve makes it clear. You don't need him to spell it out for you since he assumes you can make connections.

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Obito the one being enraged while Kakashi is worn out, disoriented, and fainting. Obviously in no condition to evolve the Sharingan (which he CANNOT without the godly Yin affinity that comes from the Uchiha brain).
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This it the reason Kakashi didn't remember for all those years that he had access to Mangekyo all along. He was practically already knocked out during the process.

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"When an UCHIHA who has known such strong feelings comes to lose them...The anguish and despair that proceeds from experiencing such loss...causes THEIR brains to release a special kind of chakra (Yin) that affects their optic nerves..."

By simple deduction we can rule out some things and come to a conclusion on what CAN and what CANNOT work. Since Kakashi's Sharingan had a connection to Obito even from a long distance then Yin-Release affects even without a physical connection and can still trigger an evolution. What we can RULE OUT is that Kakashi evolved the Sharingan because it takes the UCHIHA brain to release that special chakra. Thus it is COMMON SENSE that Obito was the one to evolve it and Kishimoto does not need to spell it out for you.

Now for the boulder gap...It doesn't take much weight to crush a human skull but Obito's cranium is unharmed as well as portions of his lower body. Example is that both his legs are made of flesh. The boulder was not perfectly symmetrical like you mistake it to be. If his leg is unharmed and his skull was not crushed then it is obvious there were MULTIPLE uneven spots on the boulder. You actually see the boulder covers up most of his body, even the other side yet he is completely unharmed on one side which further proves the boulder had MULTIPLE indentations.
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Differences on Sharingan? Two Tomoe Obito.
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One tomoe Madara.
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And Madara claiming Obito "slipped through"
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So since your emotions are at a peak when you're about to die it might briefly activate an MS level ability. We don't know for sure but Kishimoto hinted at something through Madara's words. If that's the case, Kakashi could not do it because he does not have that level of mastery due to lower Yin-Release.

I don't know how much simpler to make things for you.






amazing! you're so bright!!:bouncy:
 

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It's not like it's not logic. It's mysterious for now. I think we will get an answers later. So be patient.
 

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how is this thread in latest threads again ?
 

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Funny, this thread is still going.
 

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Madara makes this manga worst, obito was nerfed madara is being illogically powered up.
 

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The only problem I had with the chapter was the eye transplant & Susanno , are people also gonna bring the Senju DNA excuse on to this too ? .....IMO that is just pushing it .
 

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The only problem I had with the chapter was the eye transplant & Susanno , are people also gonna bring the Senju DNA excuse on to this too ? .....IMO that is just pushing it .

The eye implant is not that bad, people are bloating that one up. The problem is what you and i and everyone thinks, is that asspull susano'o.
 

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Re: This chapter had no logic...

That was the biggest flaw even with one eye he should not be able to use Susanoo we were told it requires both eyes.

Show me a scan that said it requires both eyes.
 

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All cases where Mangekyo is not active while Susanoo is on. Perhaps we did not understand the technique completely?
 

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yeah this chapter was a bit ehhh... from kishi way of thinking naruto will get rinnegan just cause naruto accidentally kissed sasuke


 
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