This chapter had no logic

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I guess it all depends on how much mastery you have over Susanoo. Itachi is clearly seen using it without Mangekyo and Madara while in Rinnegan mode so he probably has a feel for it and is an Uchiha who can fight without his Sharingan. Maybe this is also linked to why Madara can absorb chakra without the Rinnegan as well. Give it time.
 

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All cases where Mangekyo is not active while Susanoo is on. Perhaps we did not understand the technique completely?

But Itachi has his eyes in all of those scans , I can understand that once you awaken Susanno you can spam it without needing to activate MS or Ems .......but what happens when you don't have the eyes ? ........if your eye still out there then you have wireless Susanno ? ....even if it's just because of chakra or whatever , I think whatever the explanation ends up being , if we get one that is , it's really pushing it . IMO .
 

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But Madara also has Hashirama's CELLS within him. If Madara could so easily steal and control something as complex as Senjutsu, use Wood Dragon, etc then I am sure he can use Hashirama's healing factor.


It seems you are confused, Confusion. Tobirama Senju clearly stated only an Uchiha brain can trigger the Mangekyo evolution. Kakashi DID NOT evolve the eye, Obito is. Remember Obito saw what happened and that Obito had a connection to his Mangekyo even from a distance since he saw through Kakashi's eye. Once Rin dies Obito's rage triggers both Sharingan to evolve. This process drains Kakashi so much that it knocks him out and makes him lose memory of the process while Obito still has the power to destroy all the Anbu. You need to pay attention to the plot or else you'll always be as confused as your namesake.

Kishimoto never said there had to be a PHYSICAL connection. Obito was not physically there when Kakashi first stabbed Rin but still saw that through Kakashi's eye because the connection works that way. The manga was made to clearly show it was Obito who activated it and not Kakashi. Re-read the same chapter several times and you'll be less confused. Don't ignore Tobirama's explanation either. It's the strong Yin affinity from the Uchiha brain patterns that give the Sharingan their boosts. Non-Uchiha don't have that yin affinity, not even Kurenai or Orochimaru who were high level users.

As for the intact Sharingan, look at Obito's wounds. They are not perfectly symmetrical. A boulder can have indentations to crush you unevenly. Just happened to be a gap around the cranium which prevented Obito's eye and BRAIN from being crushed. Obito never replaces the other side of his head because it's INTACT. Also the Sharingan is different for everyone which is why some Uchiha have unique Jutsu and why Madara's only activated with one tomoe. We can just assume that Obito could use Kamui without thinking for brief moments even without the Mangekyo.

Kishimoto didn't need to say it if he SHOWED it. The fact that Kishimoto went out of his way to show that Obito was still connected to the Sharingan despite being far away when Rin was first stabbed was him showing there is a bond there. The way he explained that it's the UCHIHA BRAIN that sends signals to the Sharingan to evolve makes it clear. You don't need him to spell it out for you since he assumes you can make connections.

Obito looking at things from "Kakashi's" perspective.
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Obito the one being enraged while Kakashi is worn out, disoriented, and fainting. Obviously in no condition to evolve the Sharingan (which he CANNOT without the godly Yin affinity that comes from the Uchiha brain).
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This it the reason Kakashi didn't remember for all those years that he had access to Mangekyo all along. He was practically already knocked out during the process.

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"When an UCHIHA who has known such strong feelings comes to lose them...The anguish and despair that proceeds from experiencing such loss...causes THEIR brains to release a special kind of chakra (Yin) that affects their optic nerves..."

By simple deduction we can rule out some things and come to a conclusion on what CAN and what CANNOT work. Since Kakashi's Sharingan had a connection to Obito even from a long distance then Yin-Release affects even without a physical connection and can still trigger an evolution. What we can RULE OUT is that Kakashi evolved the Sharingan because it takes the UCHIHA brain to release that special chakra. Thus it is COMMON SENSE that Obito was the one to evolve it and Kishimoto does not need to spell it out for you.

Now for the boulder gap...It doesn't take much weight to crush a human skull but Obito's cranium is unharmed as well as portions of his lower body. Example is that both his legs are made of flesh. The boulder was not perfectly symmetrical like you mistake it to be. If his leg is unharmed and his skull was not crushed then it is obvious there were MULTIPLE uneven spots on the boulder. You actually see the boulder covers up most of his body, even the other side yet he is completely unharmed on one side which further proves the boulder had MULTIPLE indentations.
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Differences on Sharingan? Two Tomoe Obito.
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One tomoe Madara.
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And Madara claiming Obito "slipped through"
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So since your emotions are at a peak when you're about to die it might briefly activate an MS level ability. We don't know for sure but Kishimoto hinted at something through Madara's words. If that's the case, Kakashi could not do it because he does not have that level of mastery due to lower Yin-Release.

I don't know how much simpler to make things for you.

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All cases where Mangekyo is not active while Susanoo is on. Perhaps we did not understand the technique completely?

Havent met someone who understood the manga clearly like this before. I thought it was only me.
Wish I could give you more reps.
Nicely done explanations.
Now I dont have to waste time on these guys anymore.
 

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Lol you're welcomed. I tried to cover most of the misconceptions here. It has happened before where people complain immediately.
 

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All cases where Mangekyo is not active while Susanoo is on. Perhaps we did not understand the technique completely?

i completely agree!!!
 

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Lol you're welcomed. I tried to cover most of the misconceptions here. It has happened before where people complain immediately.

Yh, they do always and claim they are plot holes, then start blaming Kishi for something they did not understand.
 

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All cases where Mangekyo is not active while Susanoo is on. Perhaps we did not understand the technique completely?
Here he goes again...lol killing em
Yh, they do always and claim they are plot holes, then start blaming Kishi for something they did not understand.
And it kishi's story, so if he wants it that way who are they to ***** about it? Lol smh
 

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Re: LOL Well its canon now. Logic is offically dead.

^ sense of humor is absence.

"He had susanoo activated and he has hashirama's healing abilities."

-You talking about a totally different page. wth?
we were talking about the bijuu smashing him with their tails right?
"did you see how fast tsunade's wound healed when she pulled out the susanoo sword?"
"did you see how fast madara's wounds healed last chapter?"

-Do you see how she wasn't healing at all when a tree split her in half...nor did she bleed out from the open wound.(Which should taken seconds.) #1/4SenjuDNA?

there was a whole pool of blood, mostly seen with her legs (because of gravity)
she could have delayed the blood loss with her healing ability or even the tree was keeping it from bleeding to fast and she immediately summoned katsuyu. and senju have big physical energy and life force yes.

"there was no logic broken in juubito's defeat either."

^Wow...
Yeah you need to come with more to respond to.

"able to recognise patterns and do you have any imagination what so ever?"

Why do I have to imagine how the MAIN antagonist did anything? lo ****ing l.
Maybe we'll get a spoon fed explanation later, but don't spew bullshit about logic being out of the way when logic isn't out of the way.
You respond with an immediate emotional reaction, like a lot of people in the real world, they just think problems no solutions (off: and beg their god, government to save them).
as long as imagination can explain it with logic logic is only out of the way if kishi would come with an illogical explanation that contradicts earlier things that happened in the manga and thus make it impossible, and impossible things don't exist.
 

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Next time we'll have Hinata using 64 palms without any hands
 

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Next time we'll have Hinata using 64 palms without any hands

Just shows how idiot you are..

susanoo doesn't use any eyes.. if he was casting amaterasu out of his empty eyesocket, if he was putting people under tsukuyomi who looked into his empty eye socket.. that would be as illogical as hinata using 64 palms without any hands..
 

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Just shows how idiot you are..

susanoo doesn't use any eyes.. if he was casting amaterasu out of his empty eyesocket, if he was putting people under tsukuyomi who looked into his empty eye socket.. that would be as illogical as hinata using 64 palms without any hands..

Is that why Sasuke couldn't use Susano against Kakashi after he started going blind? LMAO. Naruto fanboys coming up with excuses for plotholes... so funny. Even at that point, at least Sasuke had freaking eyes in his head and he still couldn't use it.
 
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All cases where Mangekyo is not active while Susanoo is on. Perhaps we did not understand the technique completely?

I think kishi is just inconsistent, like there are many things that don't even make sense anymore.
 

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Is that why Sasuke couldn't use Susano against Kakashi after he started going blind? LMAO. Naruto fanboys coming up with excuses for plotholes... so funny. Even at that point, at least Sasuke had freaking eyes in his head and he still couldn't use it.

The contradiction would be that itachi used susanoo while being blind and sasuke's got away when he turned blind..
But the explanation of that would be that Sasuke's susanoo dissapeared because he got a head ache at the moment he got blind, while itachi activated it after he was gone blind.

Itachi's susanoo also temporarily dissapeared because he was coughing
 

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I think kishi is just inconsistent, like there are many things that don't even make sense anymore.

Exactly! He's inconsistent... end of story. I'm tired of fanboys trying to come up with BS theories to fill these inconsistencies. They will literally come up with stuff outta their a**.
 

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Exactly! He's inconsistent... end of story. I'm tired of fanboys trying to come up with BS theories to fill these inconsistencies. They will literally come up with stuff outta their a**.

Why are they bullshit theories.. they're (at least what i say i think ) logical explanations/possibilities.
I'm sick and tired that people are saying kishi is breaking the naruto equivalant of the laws of nature, while there's nothing really contradicting anything.
 

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Why are they bullshit theories.. they're (at least what i say i think ) logical explanations/possibilities.
I'm sick and tired that people are saying kishi is breaking the naruto equivalant of the laws of nature, while there's nothing really contradicting anything.

The question is, why do you do Kishi's job? He IS inconsistent. You're a reader, you're here to appreciate and critiscise art, not to lick his ass every single time he messes up.
 

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The question is, why do you do Kishi's job? He IS inconsistent. You're a reader, you're here to appreciate and critiscise art, not to lick his ass every single time he messes up.

i don't lick anyones ass. give me an example of an inconsistancy and i tell you if your right or if there could be a logical explanation for it.
 

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Kishi has thrown logic out the window
 
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