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wut u mean madara cheated????....

madara made efforts and fought hashirama to obtain those powers...so he dizerved them..

Madara didn't do shit when it came to learning senjutsu. WTF are you talking about?

He just ate Hashirama.

" so this hashirama senjusu??? not hard to absorb at all..."
His body was created from Hashirama cells? Of course he naturally can control it since it is Hashirama's tech and Hashirama's body..

if kurama never let naruto access his full chakra...naruto would've never controlled it all...
???

Naruto subdued Kurama in case you've forgotten..

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As if he would need any help taking and control his chakra from this point on.

Do I also need to point out that Madara is extremely old and has tons of experience where Naruto is still a kid at this point?

You're comparing a god of shinobi to a kid that is starting out. You prove my point that he has excellent chakra control.

Otherwise, Naruto would've been compared to someone like Lee, who can't do ninjutsu. Or some pleb with little chakra control.

Naruto being compared to a god, yeah... NARUTO REAAAALLLLY SUCKS, doesn't he?

Also, look at your friend XDD So happy and cheering you on because he doesn't have a thing on me XD


- I am stupid and crying -
>makes baseless statements, no evidence to support
>calls Uzumaki Senju descendants, only evidence is Nagato being both Senju and Uzumaki

"doesn't bring substance"

>shown manga facts stating how incredible Naruto is at chakra control
>ignores evidence

>shows evidence Toneri and Naruto similarities from chakra mode to other parallels
>only evidence of Uzumaki is being Senju is Nagato, ignores my evidences


worse of all, you don't even bring anything to the table.. You have nothing to back your claims up and you keep asking me and asking me to prove my point?

You can't even prove a single one of your point.
sighhhhh...

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XD but to be fair i also have theory that uzunaji are hamora decendents...im just need do more researches..
dont waste your time with that guy..

his main theory of Uzumaki revolves around Nagato being Senju and Uzumaki

XD

I mean he made a statement of Naruto sucking in chakra control, yet he can't provide proof that he does suck.
He keeps asking me to bring him proof and I keep bringing them and he can't back up his claim.

He's stupid beyond repair and now you see why I make fun of him

Toneri and Naruto have way too many similarities and he doesn't acknowledge them.
Yet, Nagato being a Senju and Uzumaki makes Uzumaki a Senju branch FULLY makes sense to him XD

This guy is so dumb that he has no logic whatsoever.

If you want to debate in his stead, I welcome you more since you can actually understand.

So I ask you to do this in his stead:

Prove to me that Naruto sucks at chakra control

Prove to me that Uzumaki's are Senju descendants instead


Oh, yeah, you can't use speculations and must have direct quotes from the manga and databook (as per his requirement for his acknowledgement, as if he'd manage).


So instead, just prove to me that Naruto is worthless at chakra control (speculation, parallels, direct quotes, whatever)

Also Uzumaki being Senju makes more sense than Uzumaki being Toneri's family due to parallels, similarities in tech, etc.


I mean, after all, Hyugas are Hamura's descendants and that is widely acknowledge, why can't the Uzumaki?
Toneri has too much similar stuff with Naruto and his abilties.

Nagato has red hair and Uzumaki last name. Yet, he cannot use any chakra modes, chakra weapons, etc.
Also he can be a Senju through his mother while at the same time being an Uzumaki, much like Naruto is a Namikaze while being Uzumaki.


So which one is fanfic?

>stating Naruto sucks (baseless assumption, still no evidence on his part)
>stating Uzumaki is Senju descendants (only one weak evidence: Nagato being both Senju and Uzumaki)

or mine?

>plenty manga facts and strong evidence and direct quote of Naruto's abilities
>plenty of Kishi's own work using parallels with Naruto being tied to Yang Otsutsuki family
 
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Madara didn't do shit when it came to learning senjutsu. WTF are you talking about?

He just ate Hashirama.



His body was created from Hashirama cells? Of course he naturally can control it since it is Hashirama's tech and Hashirama's body..



???

Naruto subdued Kurama in case you've forgotten..

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As if he would need any help taking and control his chakra from this point on.

Do I also need to point out that Madara is extremely old and has tons of experience where Naruto is still a kid at this point?

You're comparing a god of shinobi to a kid that is starting out. You prove my point that he has excellent chakra control.

Otherwise, Naruto would've been compared to someone like Lee, who can't do ninjutsu. Or some pleb with little chakra control.

Naruto being compared to a god, yeah... NARUTO REAAAALLLLY SUCKS, doesn't he?

Also, look at your friend XDD So happy and cheering you on because he doesn't have a thing on me XD




>makes baseless statements, no evidence to support
>calls Uzumaki Senju descendants, only evidence is Nagato being both Senju and Uzumaki

"doesn't bring substance"

>shown manga facts stating how incredible Naruto is at chakra control
>ignores evidence

>shows evidence Toneri and Naruto similarities from chakra mode to other parallels
>only evidence of Uzumaki is being Senju is Nagato, ignores my evidences


worse of all, you don't even bring anything to the table.. You have nothing to back your claims up and you keep asking me and asking me to prove my point?

You can't even prove a single one of your point.
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dont waste your time with that guy..

his main theory of Uzumaki revolves around Nagato being Senju and Uzumaki

XD

I mean he made a statement of Naruto sucking in chakra control, yet he can't provide proof that he does suck.
He keeps asking me to bring him proof and I keep bringing them and he can't back up his claim.

He's stupid beyond repair and now you see why I make fun of him

Toneri and Naruto have way too many similarities and he doesn't acknowledge them.
Yet, Nagato being a Senju and Uzumaki makes Uzumaki a Senju branch FULLY makes sense to him XD

This guy is so dumb that he has no logic whatsoever.
....madara didn't do shit to learn senjusu???....

also is dere manga scans where hashirama learned senjusu???..



how about u view it tis way??? ----> madara absrobed hashirama senjusu like it was no trouble for him... " oh hashirama so tis is senjusu u keep talking about and praizing??? look!!! i absorbed it like it was nothing...hahahahaha.."....


also u said Madara just ate hashirama???? hahahaha what??? let me fix tis up for ya plz...what madara did was ninja teknik called ABSORBING ..... and keep in mind that not anyone can do that exept top classes ninjas like madara..

also u have misconception about madara gaining hashirama abilities....

teh rinnegan is natural evolution of sharingan rite????..rinnegan is a uchiha eye...but in order to awaken it u'll need senju dna...

madara took hashi cell as mean ,way or tool to aquire rinnegan..senju dna wasn't goal in it self !!!!!!..

thats why maadara took portion of hashi cells...becuz RINNEGAN IS NATURAL EVOLUTION OF SHARINGAN...not becoz madara wanted to gain more powers ...

madara gaining rinnegan is his right !!!..
 

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....madara didn't do shit to learn senjusu???....

also is dere manga scans where hashirama learned senjusu???..



how about u view it tis way??? ----> madara absrobed hashirama senjusu like it was no trouble for him... " oh hashirama so tis is senjusu u keep talking about and praizing??? look!!! i absorbed it like it was nothing...hahahahaha.."....


also u said Madara just ate hashirama???? hahahaha what??? let me fix tis up for ya plz...what madara did was ninja teknik called ABSORBING ..... and keep in mind that not anyone can do that exept top classes ninjas like madara..

also u have misconception about madara gaining hashirama abilities....

teh rinnegan is natural evolution of sharingan rite????..rinnegan is a uchiha eye...but in order to awaken it u'll need senju dna...

madara took hashi cell as mean ,way or tool to aquire rinnegan..senju dna wasn't goal in it self !!!!!!..

thats why maadara took portion of hashi cells...becuz RINNEGAN IS NATURAL EVOLUTION OF SHARINGAN...not becoz madara wanted to gain more powers ...

madara gaining rinnegan is his right !!!..

What's with the segwey?

"absorbing"

first off, Madara took a long time to awaken the Rinnegan.

He ate Hashirama's body and cultivated it. He combined himself with his DNA + had the Gedo Mazou helping him through the process.

THIS TOOK A LONG TIME!

His 2nd coming revival, the body of his Edo Tensei is an advanced Hashirama body.

As for "absorbing chakra" he didn't do shit.
It is the same principle that Sasuke can use Orochimaru's curse mark and Juugo's.
Same principle as a jin can use the tailed beasts' chakra.
Same principle as Kakashi using Obito's eyes (chakra)
Same principle as Mitsuki having chakra mode and sage mode.

Madara didn't absorb shit. He already had it. His body is Hashirama's.

He didn't learn Sage Mode, he was practically "born" with it. It became a natural thing to him the moment he combined himself with Hashiram's DNA because of his body no longer being just his (much like his mangekyu no longer being just his).

His eyes no longer blinds when he uses his eye techs extensively because it isn't his. It's been transplanted.
His body can "absorb" Hashirama's sage mode and use his techs because it is no longer just his but, in essence, it is Hashirama's body.

But that is besides the point now is it?

You compared Naruto to Madara about chakra control.

That just disproves his point. (not that he had any to begin with) The fact that Naruto is comparable to a ninja god just proves his abilities.

Thereby salamander's point is absolute shit

As for Hashirama gaining sage mode, IDK. I always thought that it'd be a Senju's natural ability because they are a part of Hagoromo's Yang path (body).

Much like how the toads can use sage mode by nature (Otsutsukis are aliens, creatures, and are sages of 6 paths so it is only natural that their offsprings can manifest powers too)
 

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What's with the segwey?

"absorbing"

first off, Madara took a long time to awaken the Rinnegan.

He ate Hashirama's body and cultivated it. He combined himself with his DNA + had the Gedo Mazou helping him through the process.

THIS TOOK A LONG TIME!

His 2nd coming revival, the body of his Edo Tensei is an advanced Hashirama body.

As for "absorbing chakra" he didn't do shit.
It is the same principle that Sasuke can use Orochimaru's curse mark and Juugo's.
Same principle as a jin can use the tailed beasts' chakra.
Same principle as Kakashi using Obito's eyes (chakra)
Same principle as Mitsuki having chakra mode and sage mode.

Madara didn't absorb shit. He already had it. His body is Hashirama's.

He didn't learn Sage Mode, he was practically "born" with it. It became a natural thing to him the moment he combined himself with Hashiram's DNA because of his body no longer being just his (much like his mangekyu no longer being just his).

His eyes no longer blinds when he uses his eye techs extensively because it isn't his. It's been transplanted.
His body can "absorb" Hashirama's sage mode and use his techs because it is no longer just his but, in essence, it is Hashirama's body.

But that is besides the point now is it?

You compared Naruto to Madara about chakra control.

That just disproves his point. (not that he had any to begin with) The fact that Naruto is comparable to a ninja god just proves his abilities.

Thereby salamander's point is absolute shit

As for Hashirama gaining sage mode, IDK. I always thought that it'd be a Senju's natural ability because they are a part of Hagoromo's Yang path (body).

Much like how the toads can use sage mode by nature (Otsutsukis are aliens, creatures, and are sages of 6 paths so it is only natural that their offsprings can manifest powers too)
madara took long time time to awaken rinnegan becuz he lost one eye to izanagi...and wether madara took long time or short time to awaken rinnegan has noting to do with debate..

again with teh madara ate hashirama body????...tute lemme tell u somethin....if hashirama was evil guy and wated to be like rikudo senin he would also need uchiha powerz...so same for madara...stop failing to understand that ok???..

madara ate hashirama body and cultivated it???????? WRONG AF!!!!!...madara took small piece of hashi dna THEN HE CULTIVATED IT TO MAKE BIGGER PORTIONS..tille created a hashirama zetsu statue in his cave...

u also said as for absorbing he ddin't do shit??...just look at ur sasuke and oro curse mark arguments u gave me...it's like u r prooving that absorrbing is really a teknik that needs mastering befor using... so i am teh one who should be using these evidences against u lol..

-madara was born with sage mode ???? did i miss something in manga???...

yes i compared madara to naruto in chakra controll to make a point for u wich is ....chakra contoll have many..i dont know how to say it...maybe it has many ways???...u shouldn't view it in just one way like forexemple u judged naroto chakra controll by through only kurama way..but u have to judge naroto from other ways of chakra controll like when he learned sage mode it was hard at first time but with time he mastered it...

-most of points u discussed are irrelavant or vague they not have relation with our discussiion..
 

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1. Naruto's chakra control was poor because of Kurama, and it's said plainly.
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2. In spite of this, Naruto still managed to compete with Sasuke at tree climbing earlier in the series and learn multiple S-Rank jutsu.

3. Naruto's usage of clones wasn't because his ability to manipulate chakra was bad, but because he literally needed to put more effort into it due to reason 1. People often seem to be under the impression that Naruto uses two people to do the work of one, but it's actually one person(or clone) doing all the work while the other simply holds the Rasengan. It's literally just Naruto freeing one of his hands and no more.

4. Madara didn't create senjutsu for himself, it happened automatically as he absorbed from Hashirama. Is him literally never having senjutsu until then just a coincidence?
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If Madara could make it himself, he'd be a sage. No sage shown thus far has lacked markings. It's not a coincidence that Hashirama's face gained the markings instead of Madara's own.

5. Madara having Hashirama's cells does not mean he can automatically control senjutsu. Hashirama only gave him the capability to use it, but actually using it would rely on Madara's own competency. It's more like Naruto drawing from Kurama opposed to Kurama casting a jutsu for Naruto.
 

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madara took long time time to awaken rinnegan becuz he lost one eye to izanagi...and wether madara took long time or short time to awaken rinnegan has noting to do with debate..

again with teh madara ate hashirama body????...tute lemme tell u somethin....if hashirama was evil guy and wated to be like rikudo senin he would also need uchiha powerz...so same for madara...stop failing to understand that ok???..

madara ate hashirama body and cultivated it???????? WRONG AF!!!!!...madara took small piece of hashi dna THEN HE CULTIVATED IT TO MAKE BIGGER PORTIONS..tille created a hashirama zetsu statue in his cave...
Segway, irrelevant.

IDK why you're so focused on this shit TBH.

u also said as for absorbing he ddin't do shit??...just look at ur sasuke and oro curse mark arguments u gave me...it's like u r prooving that absorrbing is really a teknik that needs mastering befor using... so i am teh one who should be using these evidences against u lol..

yes, absorbing isn't the same as actually learning and achieving Senjutsu. It is the same reason as Sasuke not learning senjutsu.
Sasuke was bit by Oro.

How the **** is that similar to training with the Toad Sages?
Madara injected himself with Hashirama cells


madara was born with sage mode ???? did i miss something in manga???...

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Clearly you fucking did or you just omitted this from memory like your friend (I thought you were better than that).

He wasn't born with it. He was reborn with Hashirama's body.
He doesn't have senjutsu.
He isn't the one using senjutsu. It is Hashirama. (whose body he took control because he's an Edo).

This is the special body that Kabuto prepared for Madara when he summoned him for his Edo Tensei.


but u have to judge naroto from other ways of chakra controll like when he learned sage mode it was hard at first time but with time he mastered it...

I agree. I am not the one saying that shit.

Your friend is. His point was: "Naruto sucks at chakra control"

most of points u discussed are irrelavant or vague they not have relation with our discussiion.

you brought it up.. IDK why you are telling me this "vague" "no relation" "irrelavancy"

You compared Naruto's chakra control to Madara..

It just states his ability is beyond what that salamander says
 
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Segway, irrelevant.

IDK why you're so focused on this shit TBH.




yes, absorbing isn't the same as actually learning and achieving Senjutsu. It is the same reason as Sasuke not learning senjutsu.
Sasuke was bit by Oro.

How the **** is that similar to training with the Toad Sages?
Madara injected himself with Hashirama cells





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Clearly you fucking did or you just omitted this from memory like your friend (I thought you were better than that).

He wasn't born with it. He doesn't have senjutsu.
He isn't using senjutsu. It is Hashirama.

This is the special body that Kabuto prepared for Madara when he summoned him for his Edo Tensei.





I agree. I am not the one saying that shit.

Your friend is. His point was: "Naruto sucks at chakra control"




you brought it up.. IDK why you are telling me this "vague" "no relation" "irrelavancy"

You compared Naruto's chakra control to Madara..

It just states his ability is beyond what that salamander says
Read manga plz...

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Madara's body is a mysterious mystery....it has secrets engraved in uchiha stone...

why madara body was rejuveniled is one of those uchiha stone secrets...

kaboto didn't know about it...
 

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1. Naruto's chakra control was poor because of Kurama, and it's said plainly.
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2. In spite of this, Naruto still managed to compete with Sasuke at tree climbing earlier in the series and learn multiple S-Rank jutsu.

3. Naruto's usage of clones wasn't because his ability to manipulate chakra was bad, but because he literally needed to put more effort into it due to reason 1. People often seem to be under the impression that Naruto uses two people to do the work of one, but it's actually one person(or clone) doing all the work while the other simply holds the Rasengan. It's literally just Naruto freeing one of his hands and no more.

4. Madara didn't create senjutsu for himself, it happened automatically as he absorbed from Hashirama. Is him literally never having senjutsu until then just a coincidence?
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If Madara could make it himself, he'd be a sage. No sage shown thus far has lacked markings. It's not a coincidence that Hashirama's face gained the markings instead of Madara's own.

5. Madara having Hashirama's cells does not mean he can automatically control senjutsu. Hashirama only gave him the capability to use it, but actually using it would rely on Madara's own competency. It's more like Naruto drawing from Kurama opposed to Kurama casting a jutsu for Naruto.

Nice but it is futile when it comes to salamander. He's a bit daft and a fanatic.

You know how those people are.

I still have high hopes for minamoto though.
I've had some discussions with him before. He was logical then.

I think he is trying hard to defend his dumb friend though.
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Read manga plz...

kaboto says :

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madara states why :

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Madara's body is a mysterious mystery....it has secrets engraved in uchiha stone...

why madara body was rejuveniled is one of those uchiha stone secrets...


kaboto didn't know about it...

STRAW MAN argument... TSK TSK.


Yeah it wasn't intentional. He just combined Hashirama's refined body with Madara's chakra for the Edo Tensei.

He doesn't know anything about the path to Rinnegan.

Again, besides the point.

Kabuto THOUGHT he created something.
Madara already knew of this process due to the tablet.

Again, besides the point.

Madara isn't the one with the senjutsu. It is Hashirama.


All of this is irrelevant to the main issue:

Naruto sucks at chakra control

disprove that to save your friend.
 

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-insert butthurt dense fanfic with no evidence or canon scans, only delusional fanfic-
We already know it is fanfic, no need to tell us the same. When you Bring a single manga scan or movie statement confirming Uzumaki are Hamura descendants :lmao::lmao::lmao: you'll get some air time. While we have canon confirmation an Uzumaki is referred to as a Senju descendant, so good luck with the proofs.

I repeat proof not head canon.
 

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hile we have canon confirmation an Uzumaki is referred to as a Senju descendant, so good luck with the proofs.

where?
find me one

is it Nagato?

cuz... man, idk what to tell you, you can have more than 2 clan lineage you know?

Like that's how non-incest families work.


Also you only have ONE.. One that is referred to as a Senju descendant.


Good luck with proving your case XD

Pathetic weak evidence. Banking it all on Nagato

Easily can be refuted by "Nagato has Senju mom and Uzumaki dad"
 

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1. Naruto's chakra control was poor because of Kurama, and it's said plainly.
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2. In spite of this, Naruto still managed to compete with Sasuke at tree climbing earlier in the series and learn multiple S-Rank jutsu.

3. Naruto's usage of clones wasn't because his ability to manipulate chakra was bad, but because he literally needed to put more effort into it due to reason 1. People often seem to be under the impression that Naruto uses two people to do the work of one, but it's actually one person(or clone) doing all the work while the other simply holds the Rasengan. It's literally just Naruto freeing one of his hands and no more.

4. Madara didn't create senjutsu for himself, it happened automatically as he absorbed from Hashirama. Is him literally never having senjutsu until then just a coincidence?
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If Madara could make it himself, he'd be a sage. No sage shown thus far has lacked markings. It's not a coincidence that Hashirama's face gained the markings instead of Madara's own.

5. Madara having Hashirama's cells does not mean he can automatically control senjutsu. Hashirama only gave him the capability to use it, but actually using it would rely on Madara's own competency. It's more like Naruto drawing from Kurama opposed to Kurama casting a jutsu for Naruto.

teh kakashi panal u provitet was in naroto part one...in time kurama was mass of rage and anger and didn't know how to speak japanese...or simply i mean it was befor kiuybi let naroto access his full chakra..



-who said madara created senjusu by himself???..why u pipole love to put words into my mouth???..

-u said madara having hashirama cells dont mean he can controll senjusu???...dont u think madara in battlefield proved u wrong???...


also dont u think hashirama xcells is something and senjusu is something different????..
 

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who said madara created senjusu by himself???..why u pipole love to put words into my mouth???..
backtracking?

BTW what's with the straw man argument?

The main point was to prove Naruto sucks at chakra control?

you brought up Madara and him "absorbing" senjutsu.
we said: No! Hashirama is using senjutsu.

Now you are still trying to divert the discussion.

You friend says:

Naruto sucks at chakra control

and

Uzumaki is Senju descendant because Nagato (a single individual whose mother is a Senju and whose father is an Uzumaki)

Defend his fanfic pls or can you just tell him to stop spreading his fanfic disease
 

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teh kakashi panal u provitet was in naroto part one...in time kurama was mass of rage and anger and didn't know how to speak japanese...or simply i mean it was befor kiuybi let naroto access his full chakra..



-who said madara created senjusu by himself???..why u pipole love to put words into my mouth???..

-u said madara having hashirama cells dont mean he can controll senjusu???...dont u think madara in battlefield proved u wrong???...


also dont u think hashirama xcells is something and senjusu is something different????..
We don't really have any disagreement then. Because I agree with everything you're saying, asides from your line about Kakashi. I don't know what you're implying with it if it's not that naruto's chakra control is good, in which case there is literally no disagreement.
 

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teh kakashi panal u provitet was in naroto part one...in time kurama was mass of rage and anger and didn't know how to speak japanese...or simply i mean it was befor kiuybi let naroto access his full chakra..
That's your stance.. I understand and that's not what we are arguing.
We know that Naruto gets good later on.

your friend on the other hand was too much in his head canon that he just blatantly says he sucks

We refuted, we gave facts. He ignored.

He asked for more facts, now it is given, yet he still refuse.

"kurama was wild"

So freaking what?

He influenced Naruto's development.

Hell, if I remember correctly, Kurama even says that he wants Naruto to rely on his chakra more so he can break free from the seal. I think it was during his Sage mode training. (too lazy to look for it atm so you can leave it as nothing)
 

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where?
find me one

is it Nagato?

cuz... man, idk what to tell you, you can have more than 2 clan lineage you know?

Like that's how non-incest families work.


Also you only have ONE.. One that is referred to as a Senju descendant.


Good luck with proving your case XD

Pathetic weak evidence. Banking it all on Nagato

Easily can be refuted by "Nagato has Senju mom and Uzumaki dad"
imagine thinking ninja clans didn't engage in incest and didn't split off into people's.

Kushina called them (senju relative clan), not the Uchiha, Hyuga or any other.

Anyway, Nagato an Uzumaki is referred to as a Senju descendant.
That shits on your fanfic.

It gets better the Asura incarnate was born in the Uzumaki clan, but you're arguing they're Hamura descendants:lmao:

Like I said bring proof (manga scans) for your claim, not head canon. We asked you last time and we ask you again, so chop chop get to it. I'm sure you can pull out a manga scan, a databook entry or a movie confirmatory statement or scan?

Since you claim your what canon is truth and not fanfic, it shouldn't be too hard.
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@HowDidIGetPrem That was Kakashi's assumption he didn't know about the seal placed on Naruto by Oro. Jiraiya confirmed the imbalance (Oro's seal) was causing the problems.
 

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Kushina called them (senju relative clan)
oof, because the other clans aren't on the topic there?

Imagine if someone were talking and they started listing ALL of their relatives? The ****?

Anyway, Nagato an Uzumaki is referred to as a Senju descendant.
anyways, you have Nagato being said he is a Senju descendant and not the entire clan.

There goes your fanfic.

It gets better the Asura incarnate was born in the Uzumaki clan, but you're arguing they're Hamura descendants
You forget that there is no more Senjus and the closest body (yang) left is the Uzumaki

There's also Ninshu (which Asura is the head master of).

that also shits on your fanfic.

Like I said bring proof (manga scans) for your claim, not head canon.
Like I said, bring me proof, not your head canon.

I've yet to receive a manga panel stating "Uzumaki is a Senju branch clan"

All I've got from you is:
Nagato is part Senju, part Uzumaki. (yeah.. the fact that Uzumakis are named Uzumakis means they aren't all about incests. So Nagato is not a spawn of incest.)
Naruto being Asura's incarnate, who is a Ninshu master (can link his chakra to people so anyone really can be his transmigrant. He just chose the best and closest Yang affinity and that is the Uzumaki)

any more of your head canons?

I would love to destroy those.

So you ask for manga scans and not speculation, then bring me your scans, not speculations.

To qoute a dumbass:
chop chop get to it. I'm sure you can pull out a manga scan, a databook entry or a movie confirmatory statement or scan?
 
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Why wouldn't there be more Senjus? There were hundreds like just 2 generations ago...
It's a major plothole. Kishi just wanted Naruto to be the Rikudou Sennin (before there was Kaguya, Hagoromo and Hamura).

I mean, Tsunade is alive still. Orochimaru also had tons of Hashirama cells.
Kabuto perfected the body.

If Orochimaru can create a swarm of Shin Uchiha, Senjus can be revived too.
 

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oof, because the other clans aren't on the topic there?

Imagine if someone were talking and they started listing ALL of their relatives? The ****?
Yeah, no neither were the senju important. You don't mention your connection to Konoha is through one clan if you're related closer to the other 1 or two. Sorry dense boi, you failed at the first hurdle.


anyways, you have Nagato being said he is a Senju descendant and not the entire clan.

There goes your fanfic.
Since Nagato was called an Uzumaki by Kabuto alongside Kushina and Karin, and was referred to as a Senju descendant I'll let you work it out. It would be the same as calling a Hyuga an Otsutsuki descendant since it's the progenitor clan try again.


You forget that there is no more Senjus and the closest body (yang) left is the Uzumaki
Yes and that's why he incarnates into the senju branch clan. I mean even Naruto isn't a full blooded Uzumaki so yeah. He could even incarnate into any senju descendants that would be born in Konoha. Too bad for you they're part of the populace of Konoha (Itachi shinden)

There's also Ninshu (which Asura is the head master of).

that also shits on your fanfic.
What's any of that got to do with Naruto being an Asura descendant?

Sorry fanfic boy, but your head canon is just that.


All I've got from you is: Nagato is part Senju, part Uzumaki.
No you got from me is he is an Uzumaki and he's referred to as a Senju descendant, not part Senju. So until you get me the scan which say he's part Senjuz the Uzumaki are senju descendants.

Naruto being Asura's incarnate, who is a Ninshu master (can link his chakra to people so anyone really can be his transmigrant)
Fanfic, scan for the bold

now that's out of the way where is the proof the Uzumaki are Hamura descendant dumb ass, I don't men a your fanfic. You've been asked for your proof on numerous occasions.

I'll tell you what we have a neutral arbitrator in @HowDidIGetPrem He will judge your evidences and mine. So present them for us.


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Why wouldn't there be more Senjus? There were hundreds like just 2 generations ago...
They exist, they're just part of Konoha's populace (assimilated) according to Itachi Shinden
 
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