Theres much more for namikaze clan?

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But it doesn't conform to how Kushina's understanding of the world. Kushina is unlikely to know Hyugas and Senjus are related, thus the Uzumakis formed later down the line(Senjus/Asura's line) to where it could be pinpointed. Just like Nagato being a Senju doesn't mean all Uzumakis are Senjus, some Uzumakis being married to Senjus doesn't mean all Uzumakis are Senjus. Kushina's words imply all Uzumakis are related to Senjus, not some.
what is his theori plz cuz i have problem of laziness when i try read wall of texts..
 

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His theory is that Uzumakis are descendants from Hamura.
Basically, he laid out parallels between the four clans lines of Hyuga(mind/yin) & Uzumaki(body/yang) and Uchiha(mind/yin) & Senju(body/yang) that are largely true.
thx ...

ok lets say uzunaji is desendent of hamora means :

hamora = byakogan clan + X unown clan

X clan for [email protected] is uzunaji..


problem is :

we already seen byakugan + uzunaji blood = jougan...

but hamora never had jougan...tis dizprove theori of uzunaji bing desendents of hamora.. cuz hamora never had jogan...he just had byakogan..
 

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thx ...

ok lets say uzunaji is desendent of hamora means :

hamora = byakogan clan + X unown clan

X clan for [email protected] is uzunaji..


problem is :

we already seen byakugan + uzunaji blood = jougan...


but hamora never had jougan...tis dizprove theori of uzunaji bing desendents of hamora.. cuz hamora never had jogan...he just had byakogan..
Does Boruto have Jougan yet in the manga?
 

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But it doesn't conform to Kushina's understanding of the world. Kushina is unlikely to know Hyugas and Senjus are related, thus the Uzumakis formed later down the line(Senjus/Asura's line) to where it could be pinpointed. Just like Nagato being a Senju doesn't mean all Uzumakis are Senjus, some Uzumakis being married to Senjus doesn't mean all Uzumakis are Senjus. Kushina's words imply all Uzumakis are related to Senjus, not some.

that is speculation. You are going on with Kushina's knowledge. Same logic as Nagato being Senju.

My point with marrying and such was that there was a direct link with them (not just blood but a shared information between the two).

It means that they are related not only by blood but by knowledge of the world. Just because the latter is true, does not make them Senju descendants.

Nor will not knowing their relationship will make Uchihas and Hyugas unrelated to them.

Again, if she is for certain that they are Senju, why use "distant relatives" when they are a branch of, they would just say "direct descendants/relatives"

Like distant relatives is so vague that it is impossible to pinpoint that. Relying that "she knew of that the Senju is related to them by blood" is simply an assumption.
Not so much a confirmation.


Regardless of that, say that they are DIRECT descendants of Senjus, how is it that Uzumakis are far more similar to Hamura's side than Hagoromo's side?

Think about it.

Senju's Sage Mode runs dark linings around the body (as seen with Hagoromo's forehead, Hashirama's Sage mode, Tsunade's technique, Sasuke's Curse Mark, and Naruto's Toad Sage Mode, Kawaki's and Boruto's Karma, and Black Zetsu).


Yet, Uzumaki's chakra chain and by extension Naruto's chakra mode are too similar to Kinshiki's chakra armaments, Toneri's chakra cloak and Mitsuki's Chakra Mode.
(no, it isn't because of Kurama's power. That's a false assumption. It came from Kushina's fuinjutsu and chakra chain subjugation).

(Also no, it isn't a Tenseigan tech. Toneri used it before Hanabi's eye transplant. As well as his Tenseigan is incomplete as it reverts back to regular Tenseigan and is blue and swirly instead of golden and solid star pattern. Also the fact that Mitsuki can use that as well as Naruto before Hagoromo passed his chakra onto him).
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problem is :

we already seen byakugan + uzunaji blood = jougan...


but hamora never had jougan...tis dizprove theori of uzunaji bing desendents of hamora.. cuz hamora never had jogan...he just had byakogan..

Who's to say that? We didn't get anything from Hagoromo and Hamura to begin with.

Another is Indra having Mangekyu. Hagoromo was never shown to have that.

What makes Mangekyu a Hagoromo trait then if you deny Jougan isn't a Hamura trait?
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Does Boruto have Jougan yet in the manga?
The beginning of the manga. Like the very first few pages of it.

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that is speculation. You are going on with Kushina's knowledge. Same logic as Nagato being Senju.

My point with marrying and such was that there was a direct link with them (not just blood but a shared information between the two).

It means that they are related not only by blood but by knowledge of the world. Just because the latter is true, does not make them Senju descendants.

Nor will not knowing their relationship will make Uchihas and Hyugas unrelated to them.

Again, if she is for certain that they are Senju, why use "distant relatives" when they are a branch of, they would just say "direct descendants/relatives"

Like distant relatives is so vague that it is impossible to pinpoint that. Relying that "she knew of that the Senju is related to them by blood" is simply an assumption.
Not so much a confirmation.


Regardless of that, say that they are DIRECT descendants of Senjus, how is it that Uzumakis are far more similar to Hamura's side than Hagoromo's side?

Think about it.

Senju's Sage Mode runs dark linings around the body (as seen with Hagoromo's forehead, Hashirama's Sage mode, Tsunade's technique, Sasuke's Curse Mark, and Naruto's Toad Sage Mode, Kawaki's and Boruto's Karma, and Black Zetsu).


Yet, Uzumaki's chakra chain and by extension Naruto's chakra mode are too similar to Kinshiki's chakra armaments, Toneri's chakra cloak and Mitsuki's Chakra Mode.
(no, it isn't because of Kurama's power. That's a false assumption. It came from Kushina's fuinjutsu and chakra chain subjugation).

(Also no, it isn't a Tenseigan tech. Toneri used it before Hanabi's eye transplant. As well as his Tenseigan is incomplete as it reverts back to regular Tenseigan and is blue and swirly instead of golden and solid star pattern. Also the fact that Mitsuki can use that as well as Naruto before Hagoromo passed his chakra onto him).
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Who's to say that? We didn't get anything from Hagoromo and Hamura to begin with.

Another is Indra having Mangekyu. Hagoromo was never shown to have that.

What makes Mangekyu a Hagoromo trait then if you deny Jougan isn't a Hamura trait?
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The beginning of the manga. Like the very first few pages of it.

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1. The chakra chains being similar to Kinshiki's is neutral because both Hamura and Hagoromo are Otsutsuki, and Kinshiki doesn't descend from Hamura.
2. Asura also has a chakra mode, so neutral at best.
3. You're not going to find any relevant differences between Hamura and Hagoromo because all those differences lie in Indra's bloodline.
 

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1. The chakra chains being similar to Kinshiki's is neutral because both Hamura and Hagoromo are Otsutsuki, and Kinshiki doesn't descend from Hamura.
2. Asura also has a chakra mode, so neutral at best.
3. You're not going to find any relevant differences between Hamura and Hagoromo because all those differences lie in Indra's bloodline.
I truly advise you to move this over to the other threads:

This is the last time I will continue the tangent. I will only proceed to answer things ON TOPIC (which is salamander's claim of Naruto's suckiness)


Kinshiki is Yang, while Momoshiki is Yin
Hagoromo is Yin, so are his descendants
Indra and Asura are Yin and his Avatar isn't confirmed the same as Naruto's.

Nevertheless, Senju's do not share nor exhibit Asura's avatar (so I'm guessing he is an anomaly due to Ninshu).


Hagoromo's side are all dark, which is why things are dark. Rinnegan is violet, Sharingan is red. The markings are black
Sage Mode is dark. They do not glow, etc.

Kinshiki has glowing armaments.
Uzumakis have glowing chakra chains
Kurama fuinjutsu made him chakra mode
Toneri has chakra cloak
Mitsuki has chakra mode.


To even prove this glowing on going design:

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Most of his Tenseigan abilities even glow.
 

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here's the theory for your laziness:

Toneri is an Uzumaki (belonging to Hamura's lineage)

All the manga scans are vague and hints at Uzumaki being of Senju's lineage (because the plotline was Naruto being Hagoromo).
This was retconned. There are now 2 Rikudou Sennins and Naruto became Asura's transmigrant instead.
Uzumaki being Hamura's line does not conflict with manga scans previously provided. It is however much clearer to say that they are when you incorporate the movies and the end of Naruto manga and Boruto manga.

We know more about the Otsutsuki family and their traits and motivations.

Naruto and Toneri share absolute similarities with one another. More so than Naruto being similar to Senjus.
Toneri has chakra mode (no, it isn't RSM, nor is it a Kurama thing because Mitsuki has it).
Naruto has no Yin seal on his forehead for his Sage Mode (like Hagoromo, Hashirama and Tsunade).
1) Nagato is Senju
- he is an individual, the entire clan is not said to be Senju
2) Uzumaki and Senju are distant blood relatives
- so are Uchihas and Hyugas, being on Hamura's line still makes sense
3) Naruto is Asura's transmigrant
- all Senjus are dead. He also knows of Ninshu.

There are no explicit evidence that Uzumakis are Senju's descendants

Again, there are no facts stating that the Uzumakis are Senju's descendants.

Look through the entire manga, look at the similarities and parallels, the only parallels you will see is that Uzumaki and Senju are Yang.
Their techniques are vastly too different.
 
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