There is no PNJ no TNJ no inconsistencies or as*pulls!

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Kakashis chakra usage with Kamui depends on the size of the object. After getting his chakra restored Kakashi fell to ground right after transporting the Hachibi. So there is no way to tell how much chakra he actually uses, all your dumb math goes right out the window.
He received a shinra Tensei to the frikking face, the damage of that alone would affect his chakra, and he still used it twice before dying.
So you're saying a shinra tensei took away 120% of his chakra? Because that's how much extra chakra he would need to use kamui 5 times after everything he used against obito.
 

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You already made this thread.

And let me ask you. Itachi and Sasuke were up against a person who could counter ANYTHING they threw at him; genjutsu, Amaterasu, Susano'o arrows, they were hopeless. Itachi just HAPPENS to have the jutsu for the PERFECT person at the PERFECT time. If that isn't an asspull, then I don't know what is.
 

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You already made this thread.

And let me ask you. Itachi and Sasuke were up against a person who could counter ANYTHING they threw at him; genjutsu, Amaterasu, Susano'o arrows, they were hopeless. Itachi just HAPPENS to have the jutsu for the PERFECT person at the PERFECT time. If that isn't an asspull, then I don't know what is.
This too.
 

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That's not "hypocrisy" lol, I'm guessing English isn't your best language...

because logic doesn't apply ALL THE TIME! A lot of things determine the outcome of situations, real life isnt dictated by logic!!

A lot of things can go wrong or go the way you wanted for millions of reasons! Can you understand that?

You think logic came into play when America revolted against England? All the people that died and lived through that revolution, was it because of logic?
NO!! It was because of chance, and a million different illogical aspects! Get this through your head!
Great thinker of nihilism you are, no? ;)

Can you understand that? One should rarely converse with people unable to comprehend each other. One man's logic, is another man's madness.

Whenever you make any phenomenon as object of the mind. It becomes as much real as any word or thought. In my humble opinion: why do you agitate yourself by what others think? I'd have some answers for you on that one, but I like to hear yours.

By the way... try to chil. :ice:
 

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What about the time frame before Itachi even joined Akatsuki?
he might have been busy with kumo because naruto is around 12 at the beginning of the manga and kakashi said that about 10 years ago the hidden mist changed

meaning naruto was around two years old
 

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Great thinker of nihilism you are, no? ;)

Can you understand that? One should rarely converse with people unable to comprehend each other. One man's logic, is another man's madness.

Whenever you make any phenomenon as object of the mind. It becomes as much real as any word or thought. In my humble opinion: why do you agitate yourself by what others think? I'd have some answers for you on that one, but I like to hear yours.

By the way... try to chil. :ice:
Lol. His ass just got philosophied.
 

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You already made this thread.

And let me ask you. Itachi and Sasuke were up against a person who could counter ANYTHING they threw at him; genjutsu, Amaterasu, Susano'o arrows, they were hopeless. Itachi just HAPPENS to have the jutsu for the PERFECT person at the PERFECT time. If that isn't an asspull, then I don't know what is.
kabuto still might be important in this plot
he has to realize he has to use own power he has a poison that nullifies hashi's dna he will want obito and madara to use their own power instead of hashi's
and it was always hinted at and izanami considering that izanagi and izanami are both japanese myth gods
you don't like the fact that itachi did that=plot no jutsu
itachi doing that=plot
 
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kabuto still might be important in this plot
he has to realize he has to use own power he has a poison that nullifies hashi's dna he will want obito and madara to use their own power instead of hashi's
and it was always hinted at and izanami considering theirs and izanagi and izanami and izanagi are both japanese myth gods
I was thinking on the poison as well lately... but I thought if Kabuto has it, Oro would probably have it as well....
 

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Explain how Naruto beats Nagato if it's not due to PNJ.
How did he escape Logic.
Explain 1 to 1 no prep how SM Naruto defeats Nagato even if he's the main char :|
Uhhh he didn't kill him or anything just reach his better nature. Naruto has the power to give people hope. It may be corny but it's how Kishi wants it. Don't like it write your own manga. Until then STFU!
P.S You talk about logic, a guy with spirals in his eyes implanted into six other bodies while his fragile body controlled them from the top of a mountain... yeah real logical.
 

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It's obvious I affected you somehow. which made you my very own pet hater, neg repping me when you can, disliking all my posts, it's pretty obvious pal, you should actually take that guys advice while I keep speaking the truth.
Actually it just happens that everything you've said is almost always NOT the truth. Nothing personal. I do this with everyone who has little to no basis for argument.
 

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Great thinker of nihilism you are, no? ;)

Can you understand that? One should rarely converse with people unable to comprehend each other. One man's logic, is another man's madness.

Whenever you make any phenomenon as object of the mind. It becomes as much real as any word or thought. In my humble opinion: why do you agitate yourself by what others think? I'd have some answers for you on that one, but I like to hear yours.

By the way... try to chil. :ice:
In your humble opinion I am like hitler?! Why? Cuz I was explaining true facts of real life and how their is nothing logical about how real life events unfold?
 

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It's obvious I affected you somehow. which made you my very own pet hater, neg repping me when you can, disliking all my posts, it's pretty obvious pal, you should actually take that guys advice while I keep speaking the truth.
Well.... actually... you only speak your truth... and that could be considered (much)different from THE truth. A relative truth, based on one's point of view is seldom accurate. You'd really have to know about your own flaws in cognitive construction of thought. No easy task. I'd say to get close to a more realistic view of truth, you'd have to be a master at eliminating your own ego. Something, sir, I think you are quite unable to.

In your humble opinion I am like hitler?! Why? Cuz I was explaining true facts of real life and how their is nothing logical about how real life events unfold?
Like Hitler? that was unexpected? Sorry... uhmmm no... I don't really have Hitlers on my mind... I think about other people. usually people who smile and say not much ;)
 
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Well.... actually... you only speak your truth... and that could be considered (much)different from THE truth. A relative truth, based on one's point of view is seldom accurate. You'd really have to know about your own flaws in cognitive construction of thought. No easy task. I'd say to get close to a more realistic view of truth, you'd have to be a master at eliminating your own ego. Something, sir, I think you are quite unable to.
The truth is what happened in the manga and how it happened. That is the only ultimate truth! That is all I am here to convey while people deny due to lack of understanding or just plain stupidity.....or in some cases, their butt hurting.

Like Hitler? that was unexpected? Sorry... uhmmm no... I don't really have Hitlers on my mind... I think about other people. usually people who smile and say not much ;)
Do you even know what nihilism means? Hitler was a nihilist, so you're saying I am like him.......retard
 
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The truth is what happened in the manga and how it happened. That is the only ultimate truth! That is all I am here to convey while people deny due to lack of understanding or just plain stupidity.....
If that's what you truly believe, then you should bring some facts, manga scans, or even simple math to the table once in a while.
 

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A crow is a bird, not every bird is a crow. ;)

And thanks for giving me such delightful names. Great display of character from your side. And fiction, including Kishi's, isn't truth at all... it's fiction.. lol.

Congratulations if you don't find inconsistencies, or no PNJ... neither do I. Yet I am not prompted to dictate other people what is, and what not. I never said anything definite about your persona, for I don't know you. Just saying you might try to keep your mind open for other people's view. If you cannot, that will be the first similarity I could draw between you, and Adolf Hitler... Not that I would want to, because I think no person is bad.

I do think you are quite young, and struggling to find your place in this world. I really hope you do, but please... don't call people bad names on the internet, you might get used to it. And how much I am a firm believer of kindness and compassion. Say stuff like that in my face, in front of me, and really... you'll be hearing from a lot of people that it was your own fault. and that's truth!
 

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funny how i knew who made this thread before i went on it. Anyway pnj is basically the whole story. Kishi is human and makes mistakes and to say that there have not been any asspulls is the biggest load of shit i have ever read.
 
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