There is no PNJ no TNJ no inconsistencies or as*pulls!

[Huang]

I have read Dragonball, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was a good interpretation of Journey to the West.

And you're right. I want things out of Naruto that will never happen. Such as character development from people other than Sasuke, Naruto, and Kakashi.

Dude, the story is called Naruto. The main characters ARE Naruto and Sasuke. And before the revealance of Tobi, which was actually Obito's backstory, Kakashi hasn't had any backstories since the Kakashi Gaiden,

]That's completely wrong. Never has anything been said about Kamui moving at the speed of light. Tobi has never been shown making others intangible, and he didn't do it during that battle. He absorbed Sasuke into his other dimension and then warped into it as well. Onoki's Jinton is fast acting, and Tobi had to absorb Sasuke, and then absorb himself. It logically wouldn't have happened other than for the sake of moving the story along.

After Itachi died, Zetsu and Tobi meet up at the battlefield where Itachi lies dead on the floor, read what Zetsu says, then look up the word 'hyperbolic' in the dictionary.

All in all, this thread was summed up best with this: PNJ only exists when you forget 80% of the information provided in the rest of story, instead of only those last few you just read in the latest chapters.

 

[Huang]

I agree kind of but kishi given some characters cheap deaths, yes its a way of story telling, but its wrong that sasori got beat so easy, and that kakuzu fell for such a shit plan and that sasuke miraculously had chakra to summon Manda against deidara it defies logic

It wasn't easily, he spend 3 chapters describing tactics.
Kakuzu underestimated Naruto, pretty much mocking him.
Sasuke had a scroll, scroll summonings require less chakra then normal summonings, implied when Genin were able to summon weapons through scrolls, like Tenten.

Also, he had to use a scroll, since he has no contract with Manda.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

I agree kind of but kishi given some characters cheap deaths, yes its a way of story telling, but its wrong that sasori got beat so easy, and that kakuzu fell for such a shit plan and that sasuke miraculously had chakra to summon Manda against deidara it defies logic

Lol cheap deaths? You obviously have no fukking clue who Chiyo-baa sama was! After 20 years in retirement she decided to become a shinobi again. Why? Sasori was her grandson, she taught him everything he knew, she outsmarted him several times in that fight, she was the only puppet master in the world who was more skilled than Sasori, she was the reason Sasori lost!

I agree at the end, Sasori could have dodged, but there is such a thing as emotion stemming from an old childhood memory that can overwhelm a lot of people!

Like Sasori said......"I was a human who could not completely become a puppet" meaning, he couldn't shed everything about being a human completely, although it was drowned in his own poison, his last human trait was his heart.

 

[rollin]

plot no jutsu was made up by people who are too stupid to understand the manga or hasn't been explained yet
and about nagato
it's not plot no jutsu
madara gave nagato rinnegan,jiriaya found orphans saw nagato awaken rinnegan and was like let me teach them ninjutsu,nagato inspires jiraiya to write a book,minato and kushina like the book and name naruto after it hoping that he'll grow up to be like the main character,and naruto did and will be the one to defeat madara
madara messed up by giving nagato a rinnegan in the first place
and if madara didn't give nagato rinnegan naruto might not have existed
without this book nagato wouldn't have changed his mind to ressurect konoha
and im pretty sure this will be important later on in the plot

 

[Huang]

Lol cheap deaths? You obviously have no fukking clue who Chiyo-baa sama was! After 20 years in retirement she decided to become a shinobi again. Why? Sasori was her grandson, she taught him everything he knew, she outsmarted him several times in that fight, she was the only puppet master in the world who was more skilled than Sasori, she was the reason Sasori lost!

I agree at the end, Sasori could have dodged, but there is such a thing as emotion stemming from an old childhood memory that can overwhelm a lot of people!

Like Sasori said......"I was a human who could not completely become a puppet" meaning, he couldn't shed everything about being a human completely, although it was drowned in his own poison, his last human trait was is heart.

BAM! Right between the eyes!

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

All in all, this thread was summed up best with this: PNJ only exists when you forget 80% of the information provided in the rest of story, instead of only those last few you just read in the latest chapters.

And when they just can't let their favourite villain go.....like how Pains death lingered for months.

 

[Huang]

And when they just can't let their favourite villain go.....like how Pains death lingered for months.

Who in fact killed himself,.. LOL

 

[Huang]

Da faq are you talking about PNJ and TNJ are very real.

If it wasnt for a plot or narutos one shotting Tnj, then alot of people who still be alive

And Naruto would have died over 20times.

Fact.


Just take a look at the manga, its as clear as day.

Dont let your love for naruto blind you to common sense

Actually, it's commen sense, reasoning, and the effort to read a story more then twice that blinds people into believing that PNJ or TNJ exists.
The lack of figuring out something one doesn't get, creates the delusion of PNJ.
If something is illogical, I'll acknowledge it, the story just happens to be logical.

In other words claiming PNJ because you find something illogical, is simply being proud of your ignorance.

 

[Dantee]

Are you retarded? Plot no jutsu = plot devices. It exist in every story. Theres no ass pulls? Seriously -_-. Explain to me why Tobi didnt preta path Naruto's rasengan. Stop being butt hurt just because people want to explain things the way they are.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

In other words claiming PNJ because you find something illogical, is simply being proud of your ignorance.

Hallelujah!

 

[Huang]

Every story, like it or not, has a plot hole or inconsistencies. To argue that it doesn't is arguing that the story is perfect. Simply put, Naruto is not the perfect manga. It logically will have inconsistencies with the plot here and there.

Dude, Naruto has no plotholes. Really, everything people claim to not get is already covered.
It's not perfect, but plotholes there are none.
You're simply not reading, and forgetting basic stuff stated years ago.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Every story, like it or not, has a plot hole or inconsistencies. To argue that it doesn't is arguing that the story is perfect. Simply put, Naruto is not the perfect manga. It logically will have inconsistencies with the plot here and there.

Sorry.....this one doesn't......don't worry, it just means Kishimoto is one of the greatest just like Toriyama. And wayy more intelligent.

 

[Huang]

I swear, explaining to people that PNJ is a delusion created out of lack of understanding, is like trying explain the story to the Matrix trilogy to my 80 year-old neighbour...

 

[Huang]

Sorry.....this one doesn't......don't worry, it just means Kishimoto is one of the greatest just like Toriyama. And wayy more intelligent.

Nah, I wouldn't say he's the greatest. That title still goes to Tezuka, or Naoki Urusawa.
Kishimoto is one of the best 'right now', because he's original in the setting of his manga, and drawing-style.
And the story is pretty good, but to be honest, his brother Seishi is the better writer.
His stories are a bit more sinister, it's only too bad his drawingstyle doesn't synce with his stories.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

I swear, explaining to people that PNJ is a delusion created out of lack of understanding, is like trying explain the story to the Matrix trilogy to my 80 year-old neighbour...

Hehe...but you ARE doing a phenomenal job!

 

[jsrhoden]

I don't like calling it PNJ. Everything is relevant to the plot and everything happens to progress the plot.

I'd prefer to call it FNJ - Favoritism no Jutsu. This happens when the outcome of a battle is clearly placed in one characters favour despite us all knowing that when matching up their skills and attributes, the battle has an entirely different outcome altogether.

FNJ usually focuses on main characters (well obviously), and maybe Kishi has info on the popularity levels of certain characters that he slightly bends battles in the manga to favour them more. And let's admit, FNJ happens a hell of a lot. To be honest though, we shouldn't have any problem with PNJ (or FNJ as i like to call it), because one of the points of vs threads on NB is to pit characters together irrespective of what happened in the plot. Or at least that's what I think vs threads should be about...

As for TNJ, that does exist, and does get on my nerves. But it's used for plot progression and it's Kishi's' style of doing things. I don't really like it, and I think it's overused a bit, and it can ruin characters in some cases. But it's not really something that we can do much about so oh well...

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Nah, I wouldn't say he's the greatest. That title still goes to Tezuka, or Naoki Urusawa.
Kishimoto is one of the best 'right now', because he's original in the setting of his manga, and drawing-style.

Well, I've honestly never been more inspired in my life than I have watching Naruto. But that's just because Anime is my passion.

 

[Huang]

Well, I've honestly never been more inspired in my life than I have watching Naruto. But that's just because Anime is my passion.

Same here, I draw manga and pretty much made it my job.

You should check out Monster by Urusawa, it's one of the most addicting manga's I've ever read.
Urusawa certainly is the master of storytelling.

 

[yellowxflash]

Lol cheap deaths? You obviously have no fukking clue who Chiyo-baa sama was! After 20 years in retirement she decided to become a shinobi again. Why? Sasori was her grandson, she taught him everything he knew, she outsmarted him several times in that fight, she was the only puppet master in the world who was more skilled than Sasori, she was the reason Sasori lost!

I agree at the end, Sasori could have dodged, but there is such a thing as emotion stemming from an old childhood memory that can overwhelm a lot of people!
And the rest?
Like Sasori said......"I was a human who could not completely become a puppet" meaning, he couldn't shed everything about being a human completely, although it was drowned in his own poison, his last human trait was his heart.

And the rest?

 

[Huang]

And the rest?

Rest what? Where's the argument?

Ow, wait. They make sense, so there is none!