Theory: The Bitter Truth About The Uchiha Massacre and the Kyuubi Attack on Konoha

[Steaktacular]

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[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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[TheWillofFire]

Could be that Danzo and Madara "teamed up"
But I feel it was more of Itachi and Madara "teaming up" for Uchiha annihilation, for Village sake

At the time Danzo and Madara met at Uchiha annihilation, it seems they were still enemies, not allies as you suggest
Itachi is not interested in stocking up the eyes of his brethren, but allows Danzo to collect them, while Madara stocks his own eyes.

It was all Itachi "teaming up" with Danzo and Itachi "teaming up" with Madara for sake of protection of Konoha, and no Danzo and Madara teaming up IMO

 

[FlemSmack]

I thought this was all obvious.

 

[FizzyDrink]

Interesting theory, but I personally don't believe it for one simple reason: Tobi in my opinion had no way of destroying the Leaf anyways. You say why didn't he go back to destroy it? Because he wouldn't succeed! Minato had taken away his primary source of fire power in the Kyuubi, and Obito at that time going against the entirety of the Leaf Village would have been far too much. He would not have been able to handle them, and would have eventually been defeated. It's interesting, but honestly, in my opinion, oftentimes the simplest answers are the right ones (which contradicts your quote, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions!). And it's simple to understand that Tobi would not have wiped out the Leaf, and so had reason to not return. Also, I do not believe the Kyuubi attack was such a great reason for the Uchiha massacre. It was clearly an isolated incident, and only Minato knew that an Uchiha was behind it at all. Sure, there were suspicions, but nothing substantial. The reason for the massacre was surely entirely the coup that was being planned, having little or nothing to do with the Kyuubi attack 6 (was it 6?) years before.

Overall, nice theory, but it just doesn't really add up to me.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Interesting theory, but I personally don't believe it for one simple reason: Tobi in my opinion had no way of destroying the Leaf anyways. You say why didn't he go back to destroy it? Because he wouldn't succeed! Minato had taken away his primary source of fire power in the Kyuubi, and Obito at that time going against the entirety of the Leaf Village would have been far too much. He would not have been able to handle them, and would have eventually been defeated. It's interesting, but honestly, in my opinion, oftentimes the simplest answers are the right ones (which contradicts your quote, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions!). And it's simple to understand that Tobi would not have wiped out the Leaf, and so had reason to not return. Also, I do not believe the Kyuubi attack was such a great reason for the Uchiha massacre. It was clearly an isolated incident, and only Minato knew that an Uchiha was behind it at all. Sure, there were suspicions, but nothing substantial. The reason for the massacre was surely entirely the coup that was being planned, having little or nothing to do with the Kyuubi attack 6 (was it 6?) years before.

Overall, nice theory, but it just doesn't really add up to me.

It doesn't matter what Minato believes, what matters is what the Konohans believe, which is that the Uchihas were behind the assault, and as for Obito's incapacity to reclaim the Kyuubi that is simply not true since he or his agents could have simply found and kidnapped Naruto immediately after his parents died but they didn't, and it's absurd for Tobi or Akatsuki not to now that a boy with a surname of Uzumaki like the previous Jinchuuriki Kushina was not the Jinchuuriki at the timeframe when he was born and when the series started, No I don't think so, it is because the Kyuubi didn't truly serve a purpose before the commencement of the Eye of the Moon Plan since the Nine Phantom Dragons and the Gedo Mazo were not ready yet, so why go and attack the village in the first place if the claiming of the Kyuubi was not the intended purpose of the attack? was it a failed attempt to destroy it and take the Kyuubi? I don't think so, since I have already stated in my original post it would be absurd for Tobi not to immediately return and try to reclaim Kurama, and there is no time limit for the extraction of the Bijuu from the Jinchuuriki again within that first 12 years of Naruto's life.

 

[FizzyDrink]

It doesn't matter what Minato believes, what matters is what the Konohans believe, which is that the Uchihas were behind the assault, and as for Obito's incapacity to reclaim the Kyuubi that is simply not true since he or his agents could have simply found and kidnapped Naruto immediately after his parents died but they didn't, and it's absurd for Tobi or Akatsuki not to now that a boy with a surname of Uzumaki like the previous Jinchuuriki Kushina was not the Jinchuuriki at the timeframe when he was born and when the series started, No I don't think so, it is because the Kyuubi didn't truly serve a purpose before the commencement of the Eye of the Moon Plan since the Nine Phantom Dragons and the Gedo Mazo were not ready yet, so why go and attack the village in the first place if the claiming of the Kyuubi was not the intended purpose of the attack? was it a failed attempt to destroy it and take the Kyuubi? I don't think so, since I have already stated in my original post it would be absurd for Tobi not to immediately return and try to reclaim Kurama, and there is no time limit for the extraction of the Bijuu from the Jinchuuriki again within that first 12 years of Naruto's life.

Can I just start out by asking where in the manga did it show Konohans blaming the Uchiha's for the attack? I personally do not recall that being an issue.

Secondly, I understand what you are saying, but there are still some issues. To begin with, as far as I know, Obito attacked Konoha with the goal of destroying it. He said so in the manga. I realize that he lies, and this could easily be just another lie, but I am inclined to believe it for now. Now, taking that into account, we have Tobi, who wants to destroy the Leaf, having lost access to his source of power in the Kyuubi. He knows that Minato can seal it, and it is quite clear that Minato could do so while still surviving the sealing, and continuing to fight (Minato only chose not to because he wanted Naruto to meet his mother). So Tobi leaves, knowing that his battle is lost. He has no way of knowing that Minato will sacrifice his life to seal the Kyuubi into Naruto. The logical train of thought is that Minato seals the Kyuubi into Naruto and lives on, being right there to defend Naruto. Tobi at this point knows he is no match for Minato 1 vs 1, so he's already cut his losses. And you are under the assumption that his agents are actively watching the events take place, but even then, they would most likely warn Tobi from returning, considering that the 3rd hokage and other elite ninja are right there on the scene to defend Naruto the moment the barrier falls. Tobi in his already weakened state would not want to have to confront them as well.

And I'll just quickly go back to my first point. Lets say the Konohans did all believe that the Uchiha were responsible for the attack. How does that justify, or provide any reason for the massacre? Konohans didn't carry out the massacre. And we know that the Third actually supported the massacre himself, and he would not give into anti-Uchiha biases. The kyuubi incident really in no way that I can see justifies or could possibly lead to the massacre. And for Tobi to have planned it that way? Not a chance. Without the planned coup, the Uchiha would still be alive.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Can I just start out by asking where in the manga did it show Konohans blaming the Uchiha's for the attack? I personally do not recall that being an issue.

It was stated in the manga as a fact that the Uchihas were the prime suspects of the Kyuubi attack, that was the straw that broke the camel's back and made the Uchihas snap and planned a coup.

Secondly, I understand what you are saying, but there are still some issues. To begin with, as far as I know, Obito attacked Konoha with the goal of destroying it. He said so in the manga. I realize that he lies, and this could easily be just another lie, but I am inclined to believe it for now.

He was lying, simple as that, the same way he lied to Sasuke by saying the Kyuubi attack was a "natural disaster" which is not true, the same way Tobi would not be so foolish enough as to reveal to Sasuke that he was the instigator of his clan's fall from grace if he was trying to recruit the former in the first place.

So Tobi leaves, knowing that his battle is lost. He has no way of knowing that Minato will sacrifice his life to seal the Kyuubi into Naruto. The logical train of thought is that Minato seals the Kyuubi into Naruto and lives on, being right there to defend Naruto. Tobi at this point knows he is no match for Minato 1 vs 1, so he's already cut his losses

Well it's only logical that if the Kyuubi was restrained (since it didn't destroy Konoha) and the Fourth Hokage died trying to restrained the creature then it's only common sense for Tobi to assume that the Kyuubi was once again sealed in a host.

And you are under the assumption that his agents are actively watching the events take place, but even then, they would most likely warn Tobi from returning, considering that the 3rd hokage and other elite ninja are right there on the scene to defend Naruto the moment the barrier falls. Tobi in his already weakened state would not want to have to confront them as well.

Akatsuki is a criminal organization of course they keep tabs on everything, especially Konoha that houses the Jinchuuriki of the Nine-Tailed Fox, a vital part of the Eye of the Moon Plan and you are overestimating the capability of the shinobis after Minato died, they are afterall one Hokage less, seeing Orochimaru, a former member of Akatsuki, attacking and almost succeeding in destroying Konoha then it would be absurd that its' leader Tobi would not have tried to do so aggressively if that was their intention to begin with since the Nine-Tails attack.

Lets say the Konohans did all believe that the Uchiha were responsible for the attack. How does that justify, or provide any reason for the massacre?

It was not the attack itself [/U]that elicited the cause of their downfall from the eyes of the Konohan government, but rather, their calculated course of action that arouse from their frame-up: rebellion

and he would not give into anti-Uchiha biases. The kyuubi incident really in no way that I can see justifies or could possibly lead to the massacre. And for Tobi to have planned it that way? Not a chance. Without the planned coup, the Uchiha would still be alive.

Hiruzen was already in full acquiescence of the massacre, if you read the previous chapter when he told Sasuke about it. He did not want to, but he had to

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

This thread gave me cancer lol good job

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

This thread gave me cancer lol good job

Lol xd

 

[OfficialRikudouSennin]

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[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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I see, interesting