Theory: The Bitter Truth About The Uchiha Massacre and the Kyuubi Attack on Konoha

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I have disagreements on the postulates of your theory:

- Tobirama's opinions are hogwash at best. I wouldn't consider the segregation or subjugation as something which he reverted to as the best course of action for the Uchiha. Both clans had shady pasts because of - both of us agreed in another thread - their prior status as mercenary or bounty hunter factions that continuously shed blood as long as someone ponied up the doe. This doesn't put any clan over the other in terms of 'moralities'. Let's not even go there.

His 'mental instability' justifications are border-line hilarious as all Uchihas were well- respected and immensely loved by the entire village, despite the fact that there were about 57 Sharingans - given Tobi and Danzo's stocks - at the time of the coup and yet, no one fell into the 'hate' rationalization he subjectively created. I wouldn't use any of his nutty rants as something substantial for the theory.

- The reason why Tobi eliminated the clan doesn't have anything to do with Madara. Given their recent exchanges, it's kind of Obvious the man never wanted to revive him. He was already planning to align Sasuke with his cause when Nagato was still around. Which means that he didn't come up with a plan B after Nagato betrayed them with his Tensai. He planned to sync Sasuke with the Mazo all along. Why didn't he revive Madara before sending Nagato off? Obito foresaw a lot of kinks in his plans, and he knew there might be set backs. So everything he accomplished was to meet his own ends, not Madara's.

- The reason why Obito helped slaughter the uchiha clan was because of eternal Tsukkuyomi itself. The genjutsu is an Uchiha clan genjutsu which would be most certainly cast with the said MS technique reflected at the moon, but it would attain the eternal status through Juubi's chakra. Now this process is hypothetical of me, but it makes sense as Obito planned for Sasuke to be synced with the Mazo. So possibily, an EMS user is required.

Regardless, being an uchiha jutsu makes it susceptible for others - Uchiha clan - with a Sharingan to break free of the genjutsu. Remember only 'Itachi's' Tsukuyomi is special as he himself said that 'his MS genjugsu is special and can only be broken by Sasuke and no one else', which means that the rest of Moon Genjutsus are weak before a fellow clan member. Obito doesn't want anyone to break free of the jutsu and jeopardize his plans. Hence the reason he eliminated the clan.

- I hardly doubt Danzo did anything to 'save' Konoha. If I am to flip your theory, it would make a lot of sense; he aided Obito - not Madara - to wipe out the Uchiha as both of them needed the spare sharingans. Don't you find it odd that Danzo only has a few compared to Obito who has them by the bucket, and he has never posed a question that where are the missing Sharingans? He graved robbed the clan and I highly doubt he would have been content with a few of them at his disposal. Both of them probably made a deal to share them amongst one another.

He already knew he had KA and would eliminate Madara - he obviously didn't know this guy wasn't him - when they met again. Everyone was happy. Henceforth, Danzo did everything including his manipulation of Itachi because he believed in Senju hold over the government and desired to permanently eradicate the clan to climb up from roots onto the leaf seat; something he coveted all his life.

Great theory though.

1. I think it is a categorical error to assume that Tobirama was lying because the Senjus were not morally superior to the Uchihas (at least accdg. to your view) the veracity of his statements are proven by the fact that the curse of hatred is real and backed up by bioneurological evidence of its' origins. He was not giving opinions about the Uchihas, he was stating facts.

2. As I have posted in my OP, the reason for the elimination of the Uchihas are two-fold, revenge and elimination of any potential threats for the Eye of the Moon Plan, both of which is achieved by getting them out of the way, regardless of Madara's intention for revenge, Tobi must follow if he wants the Eye of the Moon Plan to be successful, since I have also stated in my OP that the Uchihas Sharingans coud pose a treat to their plans, regardless of Tobi's agreement on Madara's revenge he must push through in eliminating the Uchihas. At what point did Tobi deviated from the original plan and decided not to revive Madara is a moot point for reasons not yet explained, he could have intended to revive him but discovered Madara's hand in Rin's death which would have made him not want to revive him, also, the linking on the Mazo is also a moot point. What did Tobi meant in linking Sasuke with the statue? I think it's a leap in logic to say that Tobi intended to use Sasuke as a replacement for Madara because, as rollin pointed out, what Tobi meant could have simply been to link Sasuke to the statue for the extraction process of the remaining Bijuus much like what the other Akatsuki did when they extracted the previous Bijuus.

3. I have already answered that in #1 it was a two-fold motive in Madara's part, Tobi needed only one but either way both were achieved by the slaughtering of the clan (revenge and elim. Of potential threat)

4. Danzo and Tobi shared the loot of the Sharingans, but it's also logical to assume that he made a deal that Tobi (who was acting in accordance to Madara's plans) would leave Konoha alone if he aided in the massacre, mirroring Itachi who made a deal with Tobi to leave Konoha alone in exchange for his aide in eliminating the Uchiha Clan.

 

[shelke]

- Biological evidence proven false by Uchiha conduct in the village for over 5 decades albeit many of them had Sharingan? Uchiha course of response to a loss in present circumstances is quite natural, a very human response. It's little or nothing to do with the 'curse of hatred' rant Tobirama threw around as a just justification. It's not my view but a matter of common sense. When both clans were mercenaries and both clans killed for doe, there is no moral superiority then.

- I agree, things are yet unexplained in the manga but him pushing Sasuke to attain EMS makes me believe that he wanted him as a replacement for Madara, which is highly likely.

- Seriously doubt it. Do you think Danzo made a similar deal with Hanzo, or orochimaru? Let's face it, the guy only did things for himself.

Sorry, I must have skimmed through a few points. I agree with the Uchiha massacre for the plan's hindrance or threat they posed because of their Ocular powers, so agreement there. Not on these points though.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

- Biological evidence proven false by Uchiha conduct in the village for over 5 decades albeit many of them had Sharingan? Uchiha course of response to a loss in present circumstances is quite natural, a very human response. It's little or nothing to do with the 'curse of hatred' rant Tobirama threw around as a just justification. It's not my view but a matter of common sense. When both clans were mercenaries and both clans killed for doe, there is no moral superiority then.

- I agree, things are yet unexplained in the manga but him pushing Sasuke to attain EMS makes me believe that he wanted him as a replacement for Madara, which is highly likely.

- Seriously doubt it. Do you think Danzo made a similar deal with Hanzo, or orochimaru? Let's face it, the guy only did things for himself.

Sorry, I must have skimmed through a few points. I agree with the Uchiha massacre for the plan's hindrance or threat they posed because of their Ocular powers, so agreement there. Not on these points though.

- Well, I'm not saying the Uchihas are generally evil by choice, since some of them like Itachi and Shisui stand out as morally superior, what I am saying is the pathological inclination of the Uchihas towards hatred, that their excessive love leads to hate when losing the object of that affection (eg. Obito and Sasuke) and we have no reason to assume Tobirama was lying when he said those things since he was under the control of Edo Tensei, which would make lying probably impossible, and even if he could, Tobirama would not have to, since he is a very blunt person, he was not saying the Uchihas were evil, he was saying the Uchihas were dangerous.

- Well, regarding Sasuke obtaining the EMS, wasn't Sasuke the one who asked that Itachi's eyes be implanted on him? I remember Tobi initially offering to transplant Itachi's eyes to Sasuke in which the latter refuse, only after the Five Kage Summit did Sasuke decide to have his brother's eyes and obtain EMS, also, if Tobi really did need Sasuke as a vital instrument in Mugen Tsukoyomi as a replacement of sorts for Madara or Nagato, then why didn't he bring Sasuke to the battlefield? he left him in the cave, shouldn't he have waited for EMS Sasuke to fully recuperate and bring him along with the Mazo to proceed with the plan if it was indeed his intention to replace Madara with Sasuke?

- Danzo is a venomous snake, he made collaborations with enemies of the leaf like the likes of Orochimaru, who had transplanted the sharingans in his arm along with Hashirama's cells, an alliance forged from personal interest is a fragile alliance at best, each party would only be truly interested in their own goal and not the other's, in this case, Danzo gets to have a share of the Sharingans, he eliminates the Uchihas and he gets Tobi to leave Konoha alone, it's not a bad deal for him if you think about it.

 

[trismegist3]

Nice theory and since Danzo has made dubious choices in the past like joining Hanzo, stepping down when Konoha was attacked by Pain, keeping ties with Orochimaru a missing nin, member of the Akatsuki and probably much more I believe he would be capable of doing that kind of thing with Tobi.

However, the only problem I have with your theory is the nine tails part, as I believe that there is no way Danzo would let Madara or anyone else lay there fingers on one of Konoha's most prized asset, the Kyuubi, so how could Danzo have agreed to Tobi stealing the nine tails in order to frame the cursed Uchiha?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Nice theory and since Danzo has made dubious choices in the past like joining Hanzo, stepping down when Konoha was attacked by Pain, keeping ties with Orochimaru a missing nin, member of the Akatsuki and probably much more I believe he would be capable of doing that kind of thing with Tobi.

However, the only problem I have with your theory is the nine tails part, as I believe that there is no way Danzo would let Madara or anyone else lay there fingers on one of Konoha's most prized asset, the Kyuubi, so how could Danzo have agreed to Tobi stealing the nine tails in order to frame the cursed Uchiha?

Tobi could not have stolen the Fox, he could only unleash it, since, Nagato's Full Power Rinnegan and the Nine Dragons phantom of the Gedo Mazo have not yet awaken then, so stealing the Kyuubi at that time would serve him no benefit because he cant use Kurama yet =]

 

[shelke]

- Is there any individual who isn't inclined towards hatred? It's not an issue of lying on Tobirama's part but his fear concerning Madara. All his justifications are rendered false when uchiha must have lost loved ones to war - as three wars took place before this one - and yet we have to hear a single individual seeking revenge on any one. Obito seems more retarded, and Sasuke is consumed by Rage towards Konoha because they have gievn valid reasons to direct his hatred towards them.

Shisui and Itachi's moral standing is quite debatable. I would consider Itachi to be a complete monster, who butchered innocent children and women - or men - who only knew about the coup and would not have participated in it in any manner. So if you are - god forbid it - aligning morality with national services I couldn't agree less here, as morality has nothing to do with nationalism. You have to see the bigger picture here to make a moral statement on both clans.

- The point is how Obito went through all the trouble to align Sasuke with his cause, when he need not have done it. Sasuke might have refused to get Itachi's eyes, but look at how he pushed him? He infiltrated the summit, but Tobi gave his position away on purpose. Sasuke ended up over-using his eyes and lost his sight. It's obvious that Obito wanted Sasuke to do so, and frankly speaking he wasn't left with any choice as Kages and their body-guards took turns to take him out. He was bound to lose his sight sooner or later given the impossible odds.

- That is my point. All of his alliances were personal. How is Obito or any other ninja obliged to keep his word? Both of them got sharingans, and Obito had a bigger stock of them, and had every reason to attack konoha again if he desires. I hardly doubt 'words' would keep the flimsy agreement intact.

 

[trismegist3]

Tobi could not have stolen the Fox, he could only unleash it, since, Nagato's Full Power Rinnegan and the Nine Dragons phantom of the Gedo Mazo have not yet awaken then, so stealing the Kyuubi at that time would serve him no benefit because he cant use Kurama yet =]

That does make sense, but if it turn out to be true it would make Danzo one of the craziest ''good'' guy in history. Well tought theory indeed.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

- Is there any individual who isn't inclined towards hatred? It's not an issue of lying on Tobirama's part but his fear concerning Madara. All his justifications are rendered false when uchiha must have lost loved ones to war - as three wars took place before this one - and yet we have to hear a single individual seeking revenge on any one. Obito seems more retarded, and Sasuke is consumed by Rage towards Konoha because they have gievn valid reasons to direct his hatred towards them.

Shisui and Itachi's moral standing is quite debatable. I would consider Itachi to be a complete monster, who butchered innocent children and women - or men - who only knew about the coup and would not have participated in it in any manner. So if you are - god forbid it - aligning morality with national services I couldn't agree less here, as morality has nothing to do with nationalism. You have to see the bigger picture here to make a moral statement on both clans.

- The point is how Obito went through all the trouble to align Sasuke with his cause, when he need not have done it. Sasuke might have refused to get Itachi's eyes, but look at how he pushed him? He infiltrated the summit, but Tobi gave his position away on purpose. Sasuke ended up over-using his eyes and lost his sight. It's obvious that Obito wanted Sasuke to do so, and frankly speaking he wasn't left with any choice as Kages and their body-guards took turns to take him out. He was bound to lose his sight sooner or later given the impossible odds.

- That is my point. All of his alliances were personal. How is Obito or any other ninja obliged to keep his word? Both of them got sharingans, and Obito had a bigger stock of them, and had every reason to attack konoha again if he desires. I hardly doubt 'words' would keep the flimsy agreement intact.

Well Itachi was not morally perfect, we can agree on that, but I am certain there was no malicious intent in his part on performing his duties, he did what he needed to do for the greater good, if he had the choice he wouldn't want to kill his clan, but, he had no other choice on the matter, he had to follow his orders and massacre the Uchihas for the safety of Konoha and the prevention of an all out war. Tobirama is more inclined towards Utilitarianism, he believed that the unique psyche of the Uchihas could be channeled for the greater good of Konoha, for if he believed them to be evil and malicious by nature, he would not have designated them to become Law Enforcers, it's quite absurd for him to make criminals hunt down criminals, if he believed the Uchihas were evil as such.

- Like I said the reasons for Obito's true intentions in recruiting Sasuke is a moot point since it has yet to be revealed whether or not he intended Sasuke as a replacement to Madara's plan, however based on the circumstances that are present in the manga, it's quite questionable if Obito did want to "sync" Sasuke to the Gedo Mazo as a replacement holder for Madara, for if that was so, he would have brought Sasuke along with him after he recuperated. But he went along with the plan without Sasuke.

- It's safe to assume that Danzo would have better chances for the greater security of Konoha if he made an alliance with Tobi and with the assumption that the latter would keep his word in leaving Konoha alone rather than him not allying with Tobi at all and directly oppose him, for not only was the alliance beneficial in obtaining the Uchiha's Sharingans and eliminating the Uchiha "blight" in Konoha once and for all, it also served a better chance to protect Konoha if he made the veneer of "alliance" with Tobi and Akatsuki, even if it was all for show, he was doing it all for the interest of Konoha's security, and if you think about it, why was Konoha in relative peace after the Kyuubi attack for more than a decade? wouldn't have Tobi or Akatsuki return immediately and try to destroy Konoha afterwards if that was their intention to begin with? unless, a mediating factor made a Faustian/Devil's pact with the enemy to ensure stability for Konoha: Danzo. The same way Itachi made a Faustian pact with Tobi that in exchange for bringing down the Uchihas, Tobi would leave Konoha alone. Neither Danzo nor Itachi had absolute certainty that Tobi would have kept his word, but they had better chances of him doing so if they "allied" themselves with him, and seeing the fact that Konoha was relatively stable and free from Akatsuki's meddling at the timeframe before the series started, then it's safe to assume that Tobi kept his part of the deal.

 

[EnmaMonkeyKing]

Did Danzou know about the Moon's Eye Plan and that Nagato had the Rinnegan when he made a pact with Hanzou. Did he want to destroy Akatsuki for that reason?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Did Danzou know about the Moon's Eye Plan and that Nagato had the Rinnegan when he made a pact with Hanzou. Did he want to destroy Akatsuki for that reason?

I don't think Danzo knew of the Eye of the Moon Plan because even Tobi was surprised that Kabuto knew that much, so I doubt it.

 

[EnmaMonkeyKing]

I don't think Danzo knew of the Eye of the Moon Plan because even Tobi was surprised that Kabuto knew that much, so I doubt it.

Danzo already had Shisui's Sharingan at that time. He could have read the the Tablet in the Naka shrine.
But I'm not sure if you need the Rinnegan to read the part with Monn's eye plan.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Danzo already had Shisui's Sharingan at that time. He could have read the the Tablet in the Naka shrine.
But I'm not sure if you need the Rinnegan to read the part with Monn's eye plan.

The Rinnegan can read more on the Tablet than MS can

 

[shelke]

@Derp Obito

- Well, we will eternally disagree on this point then. Let's leave it at that.

- He went on without it because he finally realized that Sasuke was far too headstrong to be employed as a proper cog in his plans.

- You have your own opinions and I have mine in this regard.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Derp u made this theory and story sound so sad with the music just make me feel bad for madara and the uchiha even more

 

[Wandering Sage]

Madara manipulated Obito into following his Moon Eye Plan because supposedly the end result would be that Rin would still be alive. The Moon Eye Plan for Obito represents a perfect world, that's what Obito wants.
For Madara it represents complete control, that Uchiha "lust for power".

 

[BladerItachi]

Good thread, easy vocabulary to read, well organised .... NO OFFENCE but Dr Proof and others theory are nothing compared to yours

 

[Niwdog]

“The pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple.” ― Oscar Wilde



I have come to the realization about the bitter truth of the Nine-Tails attack on Konoha, it was not aimed to destroy it, it was aimed to protect it and for a reason that is even more foul: Frame-Up

Have you ever wondered what was the real reason Tobi set the Kyuubi lose on Konoha and only retreat afterwards? yes Minato did injure him but: Why didn't Tobi return to Konoha after Minato died if his true intention was to destroy it?

Because Konoha's destruction was not his or Madara's intention: it was to frame-up the Uchihas

But.. at the same time... it was done to protect Konoha... by Danzo

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This is what I think what happened:

Take a look at this, from here we can infer that there was a former alliance between Danzo and Tobi/Obito:

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But what would Danzo gain by allying himself with Tobi, and to an extent: Madara Uchiha?

The Answer: The Safety and Protection of Konoha

But how is that so? what type of protection could Tobi/Madara offer Konoha, and from whom?

The Answer:

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The Protection of Konoha through the elimination of its' cursed clan: The Uchihas


As the recent chapters have shown: Tobirama knew the the curse of the Uchihas: The Curse of Hatred he knew that the Uchihas were pathologically dangerous, so he had them appointed to a position that would allow them to focus their power and passion, not for the detriment of Konoha, but for the benefit of it: The Konoha Military Police Force.

Tobirama was more than anything a Utilitarian, he knew the intrinsic inclination of the Uchihas towards hatred, but he wanted to use that zeal for the betterment and safety of Konoha, that's why he gave them a role that best suited them: Law Enforcers.

Danzo on the other hand, was an extremist he saw no reason for the Uchiha's continued existence in the village, he saw them as walking time bombs, ready to explode at any moment, their hatred overwhelming their sensibilities, which ultimately would lead to the destruction of the village they swore to protect.

He wanted to eliminate them, to blot out their existence from Konoha's surface, but how will he do it? Hiruzen Sarutobi, the third Hokage, was a pacifist, he wanted to maintain good relations with the Uchihas, despite the tension between the clan and the Village, the majority of the Shinobis of the Leaf were loyal to the Hokage, he only had the small faction of Root/The Foundation to support him, he could not raise arms and wipe out the Uchihas with such meager means, he had to find something, someone to help him get rid of them.

But who could Danzo possibly ally with that would have enough power and means to machinate the fall of the Uchihas and lead to their utter annihilation?

The Answer: Madara Uchiha

Yes, Danzo and Madara most probably knew each other, had contacted each other to scheme on the Uchiha Clan's fall from grace. But a question arises again: Why would Madara Uchiha want to cause his own clan's downfall?

The Answer: Revenge

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So great was Madara's love for Izuna (as stated by Hashirama) that the Uchiha Clan's alliance with the Senjus and the foundation of the Leaf Village was an absolute insult to Izuna's memory and sacrifice, how his brother gave his eyes and the entirety of his being for the greater glory of the Uchiha Clan only for that clan to trample and spit on that sacrifice by signing a treaty of peace with their bitterest rival: The Senjus, forming an alliance with them to establish the first Shinobi Village: Konoha.

[Madara, as the leader of the Uchihas, was merely forced from pressure by his clan to sign a treaty of peace with the Senjus, even though he did not want to, he had to abide with his clan's wishes and do it]

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How much loathing must Madara have felt deep inside when he shook the hand of Hashirama Senju, his most bitter rival, the leader of the enemy Senju Clan, the clan who made Izuna sacrifice so much in order to defeat them, and for what? for his own clan to make peace with a loathed enemy?! what insult Madara must've felt!

We all know the story, of how Madara could not stomach the Senju's dominance and wanted to take the mantle of power of Konoha for the Uchiha Clan alone, perhaps, in Madara's mind, in order to make Izuna's sacrifice worth something,but the Uchihas did what?! they added insult to injury! not only did they made a mockery of Izuna by allying with the Senjus, but they have deserted Madara in his planned revolt, in their desertion of Madara they have killed Izuna more than once, but twice! it was something Madara cannot forgive, his curse of hatred was too great, he will take revenge on the clan that trampled on his beloved brother Izuna's memory no matter what, he waited in the shadows, to await for the time of retribution...


Danzo wanted the Uchihas eliminated, Madara wanted revenge against them, it was a perfect alliance: An alliance born from hatred.

But Danzo had limited power to take the Uchihas out, he neither has the support of the Hokages or the Shinobis of the Leaf, Madara was old and frail, he does not have the strength to challenge the Uchihas in open combat, not in his decrepit state inside the cave [where he spent decades to recuperate and awaken the Rinnegan]

Danzo wanted the Uchihas out, Madara wanted them out, but besides the Uchiha's elimination, what else could Danzo gain from allying himself with Madara?

The Answer: Madara leaving the village alone.

Madara will help Danzo wipe out the Uchihas, Danzo will help Madara frame-up the Uchihas, with Danzo's cooperation, Madara promises that he, his protege' and his agents will leave Konoha alone. [or so at least that's what Madara promised to Danzo in exchange for his help]

Danzo allying with Madara benefits:

1. He gets to frame-up the Uchihas and eliminate them from Konoha

2. He made Madara promised to leave Konoha alone. like how Itachi asked him to leave Konoha alone in exchange for wiping out the Uchiha Clan

It was two birds in one stone for Danzo

Madara knew that he was old and barely alive, he needed someone to continue his plans, someone to bring he and Danzo's meticulous scheme into action, he needed someone young, an agent of his will:

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Obito Uchiha

Acquiring someone to continue his legacy, Madara let himself die, it was now up to Obito, who had taken the guise of his master, to collaborate with Danzo and execute their nefarious scheme. But what was the perfect opportunity to take the Uchihas down?

The Answer:

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Kushina Uzumaki: The Jinchuuriki of the Nine-Tailed Fox


Danzo knows, Tobi knows, and Konoha knows that the Uchiha's Sharingan has the power to control Kurama
if they somehow took the Kyuubi from the Jinchuuriki and let it lose in Konoha, who do you think will the blame lay on?

The Answer: The Uchihas would've been the primary suspect if the Kyuubi attacked Konoha.

So when will Danzo and Tobi seize Kurama from Kushina? when was the perfect opportunity?

The Answer: The birth of Naruto

Since the seal of Kurama is weakened when the Jinchuuriki gives birth, then it served as the perfect opportunity to take the Kyuubi from its' host and unleash it to wreck havoc on Konoha (not to destroy Konoha, but to cause havoc in order to frame-up the Uchihas)


As we know Tobi took the Kyuubi from Kushina, and the Kyuubi went on a rampage, Minato stopped the Kyuubi from rampaging, he and Kushina died in the process of saving Naruto and sealing the Kyuubi inside their newborn son.

And who gets the blame for the Nine-Tails attack? The Uchihas

Something to ponder about: Why didn't Tobi/Obito tried to destroy Konoha again after Minato died?

It's because Tobi didn't intend to destroy Konoha, he and Danzo just wanted to frame up the Uchihas for the incident. It was all set-up

Since Tobi and Danzo knew about the special pathological disposition of the Uchihas (curse of hatred) they had expertly calculated that the accusations would fall on the Uchihas, the Uchihas being a sensitive clan (as Tobirama stated) reacted in anger and planned to stage an uprising: The Uchiha Uprising

Now the Uchihas are clearly the perceived enemy of Konoha, a modicum of doubt might have been given to the Uchihas if they were actually behind the Nine-Tails attack or not, but, it is certain that they were planning an uprising.
The Third Hokages hands are tied, he can do nothing anymore, the Uchihas and Hiruzen fell for Danzo and Tobi's trap, they have been played as pawns in their little game of chess, the stage is all set:


Because peace talks is no longer a viable option, the Third Hokage, the Village Elders and Danzo (In his secret delight ) had Itachi eliminate the Uchihas.

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The Uchihas were wiped out:

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Danzo had the Uchihas eliminated, made Madara promise to leave Konoha alone. like how Itachi asked Madara/Tobi to leave Konoha alone in exchange for massacring the Uchihas.

and

Madara finally got his revenge for Izuna. [And eliminated a potential threat to the Eye of the Moon Plan]



It was an alliance of hatred, an alliance of mutual beneficence

It won't let me rep you anymore cos it seems that I've repped you too much lately and nobody else lol, but if I could, I would rep. Nice thread

 

[MissShakra]

beautiful! i couldnt agree with you more. it makes perfect sense. btw i love love love your gangham sig thing!!!

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

beautiful! i couldnt agree with you more. it makes perfect sense. btw i love love love your gangham sig thing!!!

Thanks!

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

It won't let me rep you anymore cos it seems that I've repped you too much lately and nobody else lol, but if I could, I would rep. Nice thread

Tnx