The Rennigan DOESNT require Senju DNA!!!

[MrLukyso]

Obviously you didn't read.....*sigh*

I read, Eyes and Body are two different sons, to obtain one you do not need other. Madaras Rinnegan has nothing to do with his Body, all Kabuto did was implanted Hashi in him, but he had Rinnegan before so, stfu

 

[Kriss123]

wow!

 

[~Uzumaki~]

I read, Eyes and Body are two different sons, to obtain one you do not need other. Madaras Rinnegan has nothing to do with his Body, all Kabuto did was implanted Hashi in him, but he had Rinnegan before so, stfu

KAbuto modified his body but he already put Hashi cells before he died
So you're saying Hashirama beat a man with Rinnegan, EMS and Kurama?
Wow....

 

[Troyg39]

Uzumaki are related to the senju. Madara did give nagato the rennigan whether you believe it or not. Tobi speaking as madara said that he (madara) gave nagato the rennigan. He then said that gedo rin tensei that nagato used to revive the people he killed in konoha was supposed to be used on him. It was then confirmed when madara came out of the coffin and talked about nagato and asked whether nagato has grown up to revive him. For mu to disappoint him and tell him that its edo tensei. Before madara died he gave the rennigan to an uzumaki for him to be revived later on.

Secondly this is backed by how the sharigan works. We know that when a non uchiha gains their eyes they cannot turn off so to speak the sharigan, due to this kakashi and danzo cover their eyes to stop chakra drainage.

Never have we seen nagato being able to revert back to the ems, then the sharigan like madara can. Thats because he is not a uchiha with transplanted eyes. The reason why he was stuck with the rennigan is because that was what was activated at the time of the transplant. The reason why i believe madara gave it to an uzumaki is because of their special chakra and this is what nagato processed. I believe with this chakra, the rennigan wouldnt drain him like how the sharigan drains a non uchiha

Dude I know the Uzumaki are related to the Senju. I pointed that out 2 posts ago. I hate when people think that their theories are fail proof. Madara giving Nagato the Rennigan is a THEORY. I've heard all of that before. Some people say Madara couldn't have given it to Nagato because it doesn't line up with the time frame of his death. That is how the next theory of Madara giving it to Tobi to do for him came about. Then those still opposed to the theory started saying that Madara mentioned Nagato because Tobi simply somehow kept in contact with Madara and kept him up to date of the plans. I've heard ALL of this before. All I'm saying is, I've never seen it said in the manga. People just throw in what they want.

I kind of get where you are coming from now with the Rennigan theory being a Uchiha progression now though. I never thought aboutt that thing about Kakashi. I guess if you can use the Sharingan and not be Senju or Uchiha, I don't see why you use the Rennigan and not be Senju or Uchiha. But still, it's only my THEORY because I've never seen a Rennigan user in the manga who DID NOT have Senju cells/blood. So I don't know

Something else I just thought of...Why did Kakashi not awaken the EMS when died during the Pein fight? You don't have to answer that question, but I hope you are now seeing why I had some objection to your theory. I believe pretty much the same thing as you do, but there are some holes to our theory

 

[MrLukyso]

KAbuto modified his body but he already put Hashi cells before he died
So you're saying Hashirama beat a man with Rinnegan, EMS and Kurama?
Wow....

w000000000000000000000w you're so stupid dude, who told you that ? Madara obtained Hashi powers after the fight, but he obtained the Rinnegan after progressing beyond EMS shortly before his death, YOU FAIL A LOT> :sy:

 

[siyo]

Will read this tomorrow or something, but I like how you demand attention.

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Actually we dont know who won the fight between the two sons. What we do know is hashirama > madara



I agree the older son didnt get the rennigan, but something that looked like it. Most likely a weakened version.

This is what im trying to say. Because the older son was the first descendant, his although he didnt get the rennigan he got something, that was behind the rennigan.

Now we all know that the blood diluted and the older brothers eyes lost its ripple effect and became the sharingan. That what im trying to say. Since the blood was thinned, if an uchiha was to get a doujutsu that is behind the rennigan, they wouldnt get the younger brother's eyes, they would get the ems instead (madara for example). You could say the ems serves the same purpose to the older brothers eyes but since the blood thinned if they were to activate a doujutsu that is behind the rennigan, the ywould activate a slightly weaker version of the older brother's eyes (ems) before they awaken the rennigan

Please explain to me your theory of "thinning out the blood" again...


...maybe I'm lost here. I can understand the "original" thinning out of the blood from the Sage to the 1st Son. So I'm assuming you're saying this keeps happening, and the eyes keep getting thinned out until it reached the Sharigan. But I dont understand... if the blood keeps getting "thinned" and the Clan's eyes goes from:


RINNEGAN > 1st Son Eyes > EMS > MS > Sharigan


This is what you say happens as the blood thins out in the Clan, from SO6P to current Uchiha, correct? From Sage's Rinnegan to the Sharigan correct? This means that all of these eye techniques were possessed by the Uchiha at some time in history, and are lower and lower thinning out of the Rinnegan, right? If this is so, why when ascending back up the succession of Eye Evolutions, would you say it goes...


Sharigan > MS > EMS > RINNEGAN (SKIPPING the 1st Son's Eyes???)


...And Re-obtain the Rinnegan WITHOUT progressing to the 1st Son's eyes first? Why would it go back through all the recessive eye levels except the 1st son's whirlpool eye? Or in other words, if this eye recession is because of thinning of the blood, why when going back to Rinnegan would it touch all levels of the "recessive eyes" (MS/EMS/1st Son eyes) in the Clans history EXCEPT the whirlpool eyes of the 1st Son? Why the sudden "skip"...?





-gHost Senju

 

[MrLukyso]

Please explain to me your theory of "thinning out the blood" again...


...maybe I'm lost here. I can understand the "original" thinning out of the blood from the Sage to the 1st Son. So I'm assuming you're saying this keeps happening, and the eyes keep getting thinned out until it reached the Sharigan. But I dont understand... if the blood keeps getting "thinned" and the Clan's eyes goes from:


RINNEGAN > 1st Son Eyes > EMS > MS > Sharigan


This is what you say happens as the blood thins out in the Clan, from SO6P to current Uchiha, correct? From Sage's Rinnegan to the Sharigan correct? This means that all of these eye techniques were possessed by the Uchiha at some time in history, and are lower and lower thinning out of the Rinnegan, right? If this is so, why when ascending back up the succession of Eye Evolutions, would you say it goes...


Sharigan > MS > EMS > RINNEGAN (SKIPPING the 1st Son's Eyes???)


...And Re-obtain the Rinnegan WITHOUT progressing to the 1st Son's eyes first? Why would it go back through all the recessive eye levels except the 1st son's whirlpool eye? Or in other words, if this eye recession is because of thinning of the blood, why when going back to Rinnegan would it touch all levels of the "recessive eyes" (MS/EMS/1st Son eyes) in the Clans history EXCEPT the whirlpool eyes of the 1st Son? Why the sudden "skip"...?





-gHost Senju

Because it was an Ancient art or whatever? That pictures are not legit, son had Rinnegan allright, and Sage had not Rinnegan but Sharinnegan so stfu.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

w000000000000000000000w you're so stupid dude, who told you that ? Madara obtained Hashi powers after the fight, but he obtained the Rinnegan after progressing beyond EMS shortly before his death, YOU FAIL A LOT> :sy:

Shortly before his death is after the fight so you're saying it wasn't the intense emotions of the fight that allowed him to progress beyond the EMS? It was simply just....standing around after the fight?

 

[TheSages456]

its obvious that you dont need senju dna to obtain rinnegan as its not stated or implied anywhere in the manga.

 

[The Necromancer]

While it's not implied i still don't fully believe that senju dna isn't required. The SO6P as we all know is the father of both the uchiha clan and the senju clan, and is the only of the three to have the rinnigan. So it stands to reason that both sets of dna are required in the same way that blue and yellow make green, green being the rinnigan. While all of your facts make perfect sense, i just don't think the book can be closed until we have someone (sasuke perhaps) obtain the rinnigan without senju dna, seeing as how Madara obtained senju dna before he obtained the rinnigan.

What would be the point of the split in power between the two sons if one son and all of his heirs could obtain all of his powers by themselves?

 

[dhaoracle]

Actually we dont know who won the fight between the two sons. What we do know is hashirama > madara



I agree the older son didnt get the rennigan, but something that looked like it. Most likely a weakened version.

This is what im trying to say. Because the older son was the first descendant, his although he didnt get the rennigan he got something, that was behind the rennigan.

Now we all know that the blood diluted and the older brothers eyes lost its ripple effect and became the sharingan. That what im trying to say. Since the blood was thinned, if an uchiha was to get a doujutsu that is behind the rennigan, they wouldnt get the younger brother's eyes, they would get the ems instead (madara for example). You could say the ems serves the same purpose to the older brothers eyes but since the blood thinned if they were to activate a doujutsu that is behind the rennigan, the ywould activate a slightly weaker version of the older brother's eyes (ems) before they awaken the rennigan

So if the bloodline thinned why woudn't they get the imperfect Rinnegan first before achieving the full Rinnegan?? I mean it would only be progression like how the MS progresses to an EMS/Permanent MS..

 

[Owarij]

Actually we dont know who won the fight between the two sons. What we do know is hashirama > madara

I agree the older son didnt get the rennigan, but something that looked like it. Most likely a weakened version.

This is what im trying to say. Because the older son was the first descendant, his although he didnt get the rennigan he got something, that was behind the rennigan.

Now we all know that the blood diluted and the older brothers eyes lost its ripple effect and became the sharingan. That what im trying to say. Since the blood was thinned, if an uchiha was to get a doujutsu that is behind the rennigan, they wouldnt get the younger brother's eyes, they would get the ems instead (madara for example). You could say the ems serves the same purpose to the older brothers eyes but since the blood thinned if they were to activate a doujutsu that is behind the rennigan, the ywould activate a slightly weaker version of the older brother's eyes (ems) before they awaken the rennigan

What i believe is that the elder son got something BETTER than rinnegan

which was a fusion of rinnegan + sharingan, The juubi was shown to have red tomoed eyes, and the juubi existed long before the sage..

how does a purple eye, turn into the juubi's red tomoed eye? The juubi in his father had to have some sort of play in the uchiha clan... and the entire curse of hatred stuff.. imo they were tainted in some way

 

[The Necromancer]

Actually we dont know who won the fight between the two sons. What we do know is hashirama > madara



What i believe is that the elder son got something BETTER than rinnegan

which was a fusion of rinnegan + sharingan, The juubi was shown to have red tomoed eyes, and the juubi existed long before the sage..

how does a purple eye, turn into the juubi's red tomoed eye? The juubi in his father had to have some sort of play in the uchiha clan... and the entire curse of hatred stuff.. imo they were tainted in some way

The Jubi's eye color still isn't cannon. As it's been depicted as 3 different colors in the anime with not official artwork release.

 

[Uzusenchi]

This is probably the most well written thread I've seen on here. I know I seem new but its just im just now making a profile. Dude, +rep forever. I read every bit. Your opinions will prove to be fact in my opinion as I share the same opinions. No one should be able to argue all that logic.

:izuna:

 

[lnvalid]

A great read. It mkes me agree with 2 main points. The fact that when Madara tells how he got rinnegan after his fight with hashirama, he still is suprised to see hashiramas face inbedded in his shoulder. so it proves he knew he had rinnegan before he knew he had hashi's dna inside him.

Second point, It makes me see more of the "DBZ copying" that kishi is doing. Showing that madara required an intense battle with his EMS to reach near death to step forward into the rinnegan. Much like when Vageta wanted to almost die and be revived because "Saiyans get stronger the closer they get to death"

 

[Owarij]

The Jubi's eye color still isn't cannon. As it's been depicted as 3 different colors in the anime with not official artwork release.

and the elder sons isn't really cannon either
but anime colored his photo red also t.t

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while his brother's was normal

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[Venomblacc]

thats all true and all, but how are the kages going to defeat Madara mokuton clones with soosano? im just sayin...lol

 

[The Necromancer]

A great read. It mkes me agree with 2 main points. The fact that when Madara tells how he got rinnegan after his fight with hashirama, he still is suprised to see hashiramas face inbedded in his shoulder. so it proves he knew he had rinnegan before he knew he had hashi's dna inside him.

Second point, It makes me see more of the "DBZ copying" that kishi is doing. Showing that madara required an intense battle with his EMS to reach near death to step forward into the rinnegan. Much like when Vageta wanted to almost die and be revived because "Saiyans get stronger the closer they get to death"

Madara implanted hashirama's dna in him before kabuto brought him back. That was the reason he stated he fought him for. That after that fight he took some of his senju dna and took control of it.

 

[sunnex]

I will read it tomorrow i have to sleep now