The Rennigan DOESNT require Senju DNA!!!

[shukuzu]

I guess thats why Pain said his power was nothing compared to the sage of six paths. Senju dna powers shit up..

 

[Blaze Release]

even tho it was nicely laid out, i just cant see sasuke getting rinnegan. just think about if he were to get rinnegan NO NINJA CAN BEAT HIM,

with ems +rinnegan ... i just dont see it he would be wayyy to hax.

Lmao, this thread isnt about whats fair and whats unfair. Im just saying it like it is xd

 

[Troyg39]

I don't think I'm denying anything the manga says. Truth be told it doesn't directly say the Rinnegan requires Senju DNA, but it doesn't say that you can get the Rinnegan without it. Nothing is directly stated. All you did was take bits and pieces of information and try to make it sound as logical as possible. Nothinng wrong with that, that's what a theory is, but let's not get carried away here.

I really don't care whether or not Naruto can get a Rinnegan or not. What I was trying to ask you is, if the Rinnegan is the natural progression for the Uchiha, what is the natural progression for the Senju? Or do you feel that the So6p favored the the older son more and the Senju don't have a progression like the Uchiha do. If you don't understand that wording, then another way to look at my question is, what do you think the Senju unlocks when they get a near death experience?

Look at Nagato. He's affiliated with the Senju, no affilation with the Uchiha though. Yet he had the Rinnegan. I don't think the Rinnegan needs Senju DNA either, but I also don't think it needs UCHIHA DNA either. That's what I'm asking you, what do you think the Senju side of progression is

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

even tho it was nicely laid out, i just cant see sasuke getting rinnegan. just think about if he were to get rinnegan NO NINJA CAN BEAT HIM,

with ems +rinnegan ... i just dont see it he would be wayyy to hax.

His chakra levels plummeted after fighting five Kages. Fighting 15+ clones and summonings while using rinnegan will have the same effect. He doesn't have Nagato's chakra levels.

 

[Prince Charles]

His chakra levels plummeted after fighting five Kages. Fighting 15+ clones and summonings while using rinnegan will have the same effect. He doesn't have Nagato's chakra levels.

it doesnt matter plus if you havent noticed kishi pulled a chakra boost no jutsu on sasuke a few mangas's back

ems+rinnegan is too hax for any NINJA.

 

[Blaze Release]

I really don't care whether or not Naruto can get a Rinnegan or not. What I was trying to ask you is, if the Rinnegan is the natural progression for the Uchiha, what is the natural progression for the Senju? Or do you feel that the So6p favored the the older son more and the Senju don't have a progression like the Uchiha do. If you don't understand that wording, then another way to look at my question is, what do you think the Senju unlocks when they get a near death experience?

Natural progression of the senju?. *Sigh*, this is what ive tried to explain. What im saying is that the younger son was more complete than the older son. Senju have loads of chakra and life force, they actually had the body of the sage. The uchiha had the powerful chakra and eyes. But they didnt get the sage's eye, they didnt get the rennigan. Thats what im saying, whilst the younger brother was complete and actually had what the sage gave, the older brother didnt fully get what the sage gave him. He didnt have the rennigan.

Look at Nagato. He's affiliated with the Senju, no affilation with the Uchiha though. Yet he had the Rinnegan. I don't think the Rinnegan needs Senju DNA either, but I also don't think it needs UCHIHA DNA either. That's what I'm asking you, what do you think the Senju side of progression is

Actually the manga has made it very clear that madara gave nagato the rennigan. Nagato's rennigan were transplanted, he didnt activate it

 

[Prince Charles]

Lmao, this thread isnt about whats fair and whats unfair. Im just saying it like it is xd

please blaze... at the end of the day it comes down to kishi, so senju dna may still be needed to get rinnegan :scorps:

 

[Prince Charles]

Lmao, this thread isnt about whats fair and whats unfair. Im just saying it like it is xd

Natural progression of the senju?. *Sigh*, this is what ive tried to explain. What im saying is that the younger son was more complete than the older son. Senju have loads of chakra and life force, they actually had the body of the sage. The uchiha had the powerful chakra and eyes. But they didnt get the sage's eye, they didnt get the rennigan. Thats what im saying, whilst the younger brother was complete and actually had what the sage gave, the older brother didnt fully get what the sage gave him. He didnt have the rennigan.



Actually the manga has made it very clear that madara gave nagato the rennigan. Nagato's rennigan were transplanted, he didnt activate it

elder son>younger son in receiving gifts from daddy.

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

This is one of THEE threads that ive been keeping under my sleeve for a while and for various reasons didnt want to create it. What i will say though is, if you do not read the whole thread i guarantee you'd still be dumbfounded about the whole rennigan issue. Anyway i will be explaining;

• Hashirama's abilities
• What the EMS is and its purpose
• The final stage of the sharigan
• Similarities between the younger and older son, Hashirama and Madara and Naruto and Sasuke and more importantly why sasuke will get The rennigan

The first question is what is Hashirama's abilities. I will not go through every technique yamato or anybody else has shown us because although his ability is very important to understand, the purpose isnt to show off his abilities.

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Ability to suppress jinchrucki;

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Ability to use 3 Elements;

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Ability to control the environment;

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Medic ninjutsu rivals Tsunade;

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Hashirama's life force. His genes not only grows zetsu but makes them stronger;

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Life force not only increases duration of izanagi, it also decreases the time duration of KA (Kotoamatsukami);

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Had a number of Tailed beasts under his control;

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He reeks of OP, doesnt he? xd. That isnt what this thread is about though. Now that we accustomed to Hashirama's abilities, the question is if you are a power hungry ninja that have fought him several times, wouldnt you want such abilities?, i know i do, but forget about me. Tobi talking as Madara, revealed that he fought to gain access to his many abilities. Now Tobi had no reason to lie and he didnt, because the real madara revealed exactly what Tobi said and yes Madara did fight to gain access to Hashirama's abilities;

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The manga has made it painfully clear how OP hashirama. The manga has made it painfully clear that madara is a power hungry bastard, but also fought to gain access to hashirama's many abilities. Even when he was brought back to life, he sounds like a character who's rivalry with Hashirama turned into a one sided crush wit him constantly talking about hashirama, but also so far he has depended on the abilities he stole. Clearly he very much likes hashirama's abilities, even saying he was the only one that could see through hashirama's mokouton clone. Dan said the only person who could defeat madara was hashirama. Hashirama's abilities was called a fairly tail. He was said to be stronger than madara. The manga has made it very clear that, at that time only Hashirama could stand up to madara;

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Im not sure about you but if senju dna is what is needed to activate the rennigan, i wouldnt go after the top dog of the senju. Id go after any other senju, defeat them and take their dna, after all its been clear that only hashirama could defeat him. Thats what im trying to say, senju dna isnt needed or else madara wouldve beaten any other senju and taken their dna. He wanted hashirama's abilities and thats why he fought to gain access to these abilities which the manga has made painfully clear. U_U

Next is what is the EMS and its purpose, well apart from stopping the blindness process, there are improvements that ive noticed from the ems. Basically we all know that its a combination of 2 ms's and when you look at both madara and sasuke's eyes you cann see izuna's and itachi's ms design in their eyes respectively.

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Sasuke's;

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Madara's;

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Being a combination of 2 ms's it increases the power of the users doujutsu techniques. For example ms sasuke's v1 susano was penetrated by A, yet A didnt even leave a mark on madara's v1 susano.
Sasuke's v1;

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Madara's v1;

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Next alot of people keep saying kishi has allowed sasuke to gain a huge chakra reserve or the ems gives the user a chakra boost and that is false. From what ive seen the ems allows the user to use its techniques with minimum chakra drainage. You can go as far as saying an ems user using its technique's drains little to no chakra no different to an uchiha using the sharigan in battle which again drains very little chakra. Sasuke could hardly maintain a v1 susano and just before he went blind activated a final susano. Yet with the ems he was able to activate its final form with ease. Similarly madara has been able to activate a further advanced susano with ease.

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But it doesnt end there. The ems is a stepping stone to greater things. You can say the EMS = KM (naruto) and ill explain that later on. Anyway another misconception about the EMS, is that it stops the user's eye from bleeding. Personally im not sure where people get these misconceptions from but the manga has made it very clear that it doesnt;

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The greatest misconception of all is that an ems user gains a 4th technique. That my friends was a mistranslation from manga reader who are notorious for their mistranslations. This is the real translation;

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As Itachi said, "The transplant gave birth to a completely new doujutsu". He didnt say the translate allowed the user to activate a 4th technique. That was a mistranslation. Ill come back to that page again and fully explain.

Anyway i did say that the EMS was a footstep to greater things and that the EMS = KM (Naruto). KM, naruto was a footstep to greater things and that was BM naruto;

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Now that we know that KM was a stepping stone to BM naruto and KM naruto was incomplete. The question is What is the stepping stone, the next stage of the EMS. The answer THE RENNIGAN

How do i know this?. How do you activate THE RENNIGAN, there you go;

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Yes the EMS is a stepping stone to the rennigan and ill explain. This image speaks volumes alone. Ill cut it apart and further explain;

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In the first image the one above, Itachi was blantatly talking about the EMS when he said and i quote; "A permanent Mangekyou Sharingan!. By changing hosts the younger brothers eye found an inextinguishable light!". The Ems is what he is blatantly talking about.;

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Now im certain by now youve noticed that above the 4 sharigans there is something that looks very similar to the rennigan and ive clearly highlighted it in red. That my friends in the rennigan, notice how its above all 4 sharigans. Notice how itachi talks about the ems then above it we have something that looks like the rennigan. What i will say is that the 4 sharigans symbolises the EMS because 2 sharigans = 1 MS. 2MS = EMS, therefore 4 sharigans = EMS.

In the next image please, focus closely on Itachi's words. In the top image he was clearly talking about the EMS. He then went on to say in the next image and i quote " But that was only half the story. The transplant also gave birth to a completely new dojutsu;

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I know although itachi didnt say anything about the rennigan, its blatently obvious that this what he was hinting although he didnt say that. Now alot of people will say how does itachi know this, only madara activated the rennigan. But you see, forget the fact that itachi is extremely knowledgeable and focus on the uchiha tablet, that he read and told sasuke to read;

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Its this same tablet that contained the secret of madara's body;

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Now it seems like madara wrote the secrets of his body/rennigan on the uchiha monument stone after obtaining the rennigan, therefore although he can fully read the tablet because he has the rennigan, he would pass on some of the information of the rennigan that his descendants with the shairgan couldnt read.

I know that it was said that the higher your advance from the sharigan, ms, ems, rennigan the more you can read the tablet. Madara with the ems, read majority of the tablet, but obviously couldnt read it all because he didnt have the rennigan. This is the hypothesis that i believe he formed. The first one is how the sharigan overall works. We all know that in order for an uchiha to gain the sharigan, they must have a near death experience. We then found out that in order to get the ms somebody close to you must die. We then found that in order to get the ems you must take your siblings who has the ms and with that you have effectively killed them because they now have no eyes. In all the stages of the sharigan death is somehow related to achieving greater power, activating a higher doujutsu and this is why i believe madara fought hashirama. I believe apart from the fact that he also wanted his abilities, hashirama was the only person at that time who could awaken madara's rennigan. Only he could challenge madara and allow him to have a near death experience;

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Madara further clarifies that yes after having a near death experience, he activated the rennigan ;

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He said he awakened it shortly before his death, but the time duration between him activating it and dying isnt as short as he says. In that 'short' time he wrote the secrets of his body on the uchiha tablet and gave nagato the rennigan, which has been clarified by madara himself that, yes he did give nagato the rennigan to revive him later on.

The next question is how am i certain that the rennigan is the final stage of the sharigan. Not that difficulty really, the manga has not only bad it blatantly obvious, it has basically said it here "What awates you when you progress beyond the sharingan, is THE RENNIGAN;

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Never ever in the manga has it said that senju dna was needed and never ever did madara or kabuto say this. The manga has however not only made it undoubtedly clear, its even said it there and then. The rennigan is the natural evolution of the sharigan. The final stage of the sharingan

So how is sasuke going to get the rennigan. Well ive told explained to you that EMS= KM (Naruto) and that both EMS and KM are incomplete. Both are a stepping stone to greater things. Kishi has said that both naruto and sasuke grow as a pair. Lets be honest here, bm naruto would annihilate sasuke xd. This is how sasuke will get the rennigan, this is the link between naruto and sasuke and hashirama and madara;

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Ems sasuke right now is the 2nd strongest ninja's alive right now (excluding madara (kabuto)). The only ninja excluding kabuto, that is above him is naruto. Excluding kabuto, the only ninja alive that could stand up to sasuke is naruto (I hope you guys are noticing the similarities between naruto and sasuke and hahsirama and madara - history is repeating itself).

Now ill show you the outstanding similarities between the 3 generations (older son and younger son, hahsirama and madara and naruto and sasuke. The older son was said to have gained the sage's 'eyes' and powerful chakra. Whilst the younger son was said to have gained the sage's body and life force;

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In you look carefully, which two looks complete?. Its very clear that the younger son was more complete than the older son. Although the older son got the sages 'eyes' we can all see that it looks like a weaker rennigan, whilst the younger brother seem to have gotten everything that was given to him, the older brother didnt.

Thats the same with hashirama and madara. Hashirama represents the younger brother (descendent obviously). Hashirama was complete, whilst madara (descendent) wasnt, he still had the EMS which you could say represents the older brothers eyes. Also notice hashirama's life force, that i uploaded a while ago. Able to increase the duration of izanagi, grow and make zetsu stronger and decrease the time duration of KA.

History has again repeated itself. Naruto is now the younger brother (descendent obviously, albeit an uzumaki) whilst sasuke is the older son (descendent). Sasuke like the older son and madara, are incomplete. They might have have the sage's eyes, but they do not have the rennigan (just yet anyway). Naruto, like the younger son and hashirama are more complete, but also naruto has followed this step and showed us the life force of the younger son, no different to hashirama's life force;

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So whilst the older son and his generation have always been incomplete, the younger son have, but this is where it gets interesting. I believe after years of fighting, after a final battle, the older son experienced a near death moment which allowed him to activate the rennigan and become complete, just like the younger son.

No different to how after years of fighting, after a final battle madara after experiencing a near death moment activated the rennigan.

History will no doubt repeat itself, this time in naruto and sasuke. After a final battle, sasuke the older brother (funny enough sasuke is also older than naruto by a couple of weeks), will awaken the final stage of the sharigan after facing a near death experience. This has not only been set in stone, the fight in part 1 was for telling of things to come. Its naruto, that funny enough caused sasuke to activate the final stage of the sharigan which was his 3rd and final tomoe, at the same location did hashirama cause madara to awaken the final, final stage of the sharigan which is the rennigan;

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Naruto will cause sasuke again to awaken the final stage of the sharigan. This time not a the 3 tomoe sharigan, but the final stage of the sharigan. THE RENNIGAN

That ^^^^, my friends is the secret behind everything and im out :izuna:

BLAZE,



Quite interesting, I must say. So of course I have to argue against it for a moment



There is one thing I dont agree with you. Its concerning your theory about the evolution of the Rinnegan, and I dont think your entirely correct.


I dont think that the next evolution of the eye is the Rinnegan, but the 1st Son's eye. Why? B/c he never inherited the true Rinnegan, just as you pointed out. But if the sage had the true rinnegan, and the 1st son wasnt born with just a sharigan, WHY was he born with this "imperfect" Rinnegan?


I believe he was born with something EXTREMELY CLOSE to the Rinnegan, but a weakened version (perverted). Why...? B/c he never received what was NEEDED to complete a perfect Rinnegan, which is the BODY of the sage. The entire power of the Sage was obviously split b/t the two brothers. And I believe a true Rinnegan needs the DNA that comes from the 2nd Son's side of the family, point blank.


If I'm not correct, then why was the 1st Son the inheriter of an imperfect Rinnegan? If it wasn't because of the DNA that he lacked...?



-gHost Senju

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

it doesnt matter plus if you havent noticed kishi pulled a chakra boost no jutsu on sasuke a few mangas's back

ems+rinnegan is too hax for any NINJA.

I disagree, it would basically be Naruto vs Nagato all over again with a couple more hax jutsus thrown in the mix

 

[Prince Charles]

blaze,



quite interesting, i must say. So of course i have to argue against it for a moment



there is one thing i dont agree with you. Its concerning your theory about the evolution of the rinnegan, and i dont think your entirely correct.


I dont think that the next evolution of the eye is the rinnegan, but the 1st son's eye. Why? B/c he never inherited the true rinnegan, just as you pointed out. But if the sage had the true rinnegan, and the 1st son wasnt born with just a sharigan, why was he born with this "imperfect" rinnegan?


I believe he was born with something extremely close to the rinnegan, but a weakened version (perverted). Why...? B/c he never received what was needed to complete a perfect rinnegan, which is the body of the sage. The entire power of the sage was obviously split b/t the two brothers. And i believe a true rinnegan needs the dna that comes from the 2nd son's side of the family, point blank.


If i'm not correct, then why was the 1st son the inheriter of an imperfect rinnegan? If it wasn't because of the dna that he lacked...?



-ghost senju

this^^^^^ +++rep

 

[Prince Charles]

I disagree, it would basically be Naruto vs Nagato all over again with a couple more hax jutsus thrown in the mix

naruto vs nagato?

bm naruto would even have trouble against nagato right now.

and it wouldnt be naruto vs nagato theirs also ems techniques plus op rinnegan techs

gedo mazo?
op summons?

 

[Blaze Release]

elder son>younger son in receiving gifts from daddy.

Actually we dont know who won the fight between the two sons. What we do know is hashirama > madara

BLAZE,

Quite interesting, I must say. So of course I have to argue against it for a moment

There is one thing I dont agree with you. Its concerning your theory about the evolution of the Rinnegan, and I dont think your entirely correct.

I dont think that the next evolution of the eye is the Rinnegan, but the 1st Son's eye. Why? B/c he never inherited the true Rinnegan, just as you pointed out. But if the sage had the true rinnegan, and the 1st son wasnt born with just a sharigan, WHY was he born with this "imperfect" Rinnegan?


I believe he was born with something EXTREMELY CLOSE to the Rinnegan, but a weakened version (perverted). Why...? B/c he never received what was NEEDED to complete a perfect Rinnegan, which is the BODY of the sage. The entire power of the Sage was obviously split b/t the two brothers. And I believe a true Rinnegan needs the DNA that comes from the 2nd Son's side of the family, point blank.

If I'm not correct, then why was the 1st Son the inheriter of an imperfect Rinnegan? If it wasn't because of the DNA that he lacked...?

-gHost Senju

I agree the older son didnt get the rennigan, but something that looked like it. Most likely a weakened version.

This is what im trying to say. Because the older son was the first descendant, his although he didnt get the rennigan he got something, that was behind the rennigan.

Now we all know that the blood diluted and the older brothers eyes lost its ripple effect and became the sharingan. That what im trying to say. Since the blood was thinned, if an uchiha was to get a doujutsu that is behind the rennigan, they wouldnt get the younger brother's eyes, they would get the ems instead (madara for example). You could say the ems serves the same purpose to the older brothers eyes but since the blood thinned if they were to activate a doujutsu that is behind the rennigan, the ywould activate a slightly weaker version of the older brother's eyes (ems) before they awaken the rennigan

 

[Prince Charles]

Actually we dont know who won the fight between the two sons. What we do know is hashirama > madara



I agree the older son didnt get the rennigan, but something that looked like it. Most likely a weakened version.

This is what im trying to say. Because the older son was the first descendant, his although he didnt get the rennigan he got something, that was behind the rennigan.

Now we all know that the blood diluted and the older brothers eyes lost its ripple effect and became the sharingan. That what im trying to say. Since the blood was thinned, if an uchiha was to get a doujutsu that is behind the rennigan, they wouldnt get the younger brother's eyes, they would get the ems instead (madara for example). You could say the ems serves the same purpose to the older brothers eyes but since the blood thinned if they were to activate a doujutsu that is behind the rennigan, the ywould activate a slightly weaker version of the older brother's eyes (ems) before they awaken the rennigan

but in the long run who got the better gifts?

uciha gets op techniques, ability to shoot flames out their eye sockets

senju clan? strong will and strong life force? hidan is immortal the faq...

 

[Blaze Release]

but in the long run who got the better gifts?

uciha gets op techniques, ability to shoot flames out their eye sockets

senju clan? strong will and strong life force? hidan is immortal the faq...

This is between you and kishi, as i said im not here to argue what is fair and unfair xd

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

naruto vs nagato?

bm naruto would even have trouble against nagato right now.

No he wouldn't, I'll assume that your not talking about edo Nagato. BM Naruto can handle the Six Paths of Pain low diff. The Nagato that was hiding in the tree is in no way fit for combat.

and it wouldnt be naruto vs nagato theirs also ems techniques plus op rinnegan techs

Once Sasuke unlocked MS what we usually see is Amaterasu, Susanoo, and Genjutsu. I'm betting that once Sasuke gets Rinnegan Kishi will only have him use the most hax jutsu's in his arsenal.

gedo mazo?
op summons?

Gedo Mazo is Tobi's and we don't know if those summons were only exclusive to Nagato or not.

 

[Prince Charles]

This is between you and kishi, as i said im not here to argue what is fair and unfair xd

kishi cant handle this. :scorps:

 

[Prince Charles]

No he wouldn't, I'll assume that your not talking about edo Nagato. BM Naruto can handle the Six Paths of Pain low diff. The Nagato that was hiding in the tree is in no way fit for combat.


Once Sasuke unlocked MS what we usually see is Amaterasu, Susanoo, and Genjutsu. I'm betting that once Sasuke gets Rinnegan Kishi will only have him use the most hax jutsu's in his arsenal.




Gedo Mazo is Tobi's and we don't know if those summons were only exclusive to Nagato or not.

no way fit? he can absurb naruto's chakra and be young again.
he can get mechanical limbs which can help him walk or move.
he can use deva path abilities to levitate around and move like onoki
use pretha path to absurb naruto's ninjutsu

imo bm naruto right now would even have a touch time against nagato.


how is gedo mazo tobi's? didnt nagato use it once before against hanzo and his men so most likely if sasuke gets rinnegan he will be able to summon gedo mazo.


''Once Sasuke unlocked MS what we usually see is Amaterasu, Susanoo, and Genjutsu. I'm betting that once Sasuke gets Rinnegan Kishi will only have him use the most hax jutsu's in his arsenal.''

no.

ems and rinnegan would be too hax

 

[kellzfresh]

Very possible, sasuke always powers up at near death experiences, danzo - susanoo v2, naruto - three tomoe, bee - amaterasu, raikage - susanoo.

 

[KAGE RYUU]

pretty good explanation took about 10 minutes to read it all lol but very well put together