The Rennigan DOESNT require Senju DNA!!!

[Blaze Release]

no way fit? he can absurb naruto's chakra and be young again.
he can get mechanical limbs which can help him walk or move.
he can use deva path abilities to levitate around and move like onoki
use pretha path to absurb naruto's ninjutsu

imo bm naruto right now would even have a touch time against nagato.


how is gedo mazo tobi's? didnt nagato use it once before against hanzo and his men so most likely if sasuke gets rinnegan he will be able to summon gedo mazo.


''Once Sasuke unlocked MS what we usually see is Amaterasu, Susanoo, and Genjutsu. I'm betting that once Sasuke gets Rinnegan Kishi will only have him use the most hax jutsu's in his arsenal.''

no.

ems and rinnegan would be too hax

Im not what you are scared about because the manga has made it very clear that nobody's power will rival the sage. Look at it this way, i believe after the older son got what is behind the rennigan, he fought the younger son and experienced a near death moment which allowed him the activate the rennigan. But obviously although a rennigan, the sage's rennigan was superior than his.

Similarly,we saw that nagato said that his rennigan ability (chibaku tensei), is nothing compared to the sage's which sealed the 10 tails;

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Similarly even edo madara's rennigan ability was called a fragment;

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Thats what im saying, the bloodline thinned therefore even if you were to activate the rennigan, you wouldnt be able to do what the sage did. Basically the sage's rennigan > older brothers rennigan (yes i believe he later activated it) > madara rennigan (this includes nagato, since its been confirmed that he gave it to him)

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

no way fit? he can absurb naruto's chakra and be young again.

Naruto would be expecting something like that. He saw it happen to Bee

he can get mechanical limbs which can help him walk or move.

If that were the case he wouldn't have been hiding in the tree.

he can use deva path abilities to levitate around and move like onoki

Naruto will take care of the Paths first

use pretha path to absurb naruto's ninjutsu

See above

imo bm naruto right now would even have a touch time against nagato.

No

how is gedo mazo tobi's? didnt nagato use it once before against hanzo and his men so most likely if sasuke gets rinnegan he will be able to summon gedo mazo.

That was before Nagato died. You think Tobi will let Sasuke have access to Gedo and his Bijuus?

''Once Sasuke unlocked MS what we usually see is Amaterasu, Susanoo, and Genjutsu. I'm betting that once Sasuke gets Rinnegan Kishi will only have him use the most hax jutsu's in his arsenal.''

no.

Look at his last few fights:

vs Kabuto: Susanoo, Amaterasu
vs Kakashi: Susanoo
vs Danzo: Susanoo, Genjutsu
vs 5 Kages: Susanoo, Genjutsu, Amaterasu

ems and rinnegan would be too hax

No

 

[Rafeal brown]

I completely agree... This is the best thread i've ever read since my stay here on narutobase... good to know intelligent guys like you still exist here lol.

 

[Bigfoot34501]

He fought him to gain access to his many abilities which the manga has made clear. Now its been said that only hashirama at that time could beat madara. I believe that madara, based his hypothesis on how the sharigan works, its natural evolution which involves near death experiences and used this to his advantage to activate the rennigan.

Basically he didnt just fight for hashirama's dna, he also fought for that near death experience which activated his rennigan

You've persuaded me with this theory Blaze Release that you don't need senju DNA to unlock the Rinnegan. But I have a problem with the quote in bold

The timeline just doesn't seem to match up if Madara got the Rinnegan after the Valley of the End fight. That fight must have been at least 50 years ago, and Nagato definitely wasn't that old. I think that Madara unlocked the Rinnegan at a later time because he explicitly stated that he unlocked it shortly before he died. Unlocking it at the Valley of the End would have been too far back to be considered shortly before he died

 

[NarutoKage2]

There's too much evidence to suggest it does'nt require senju DNA. Made a thread about this a while ago:

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I think you went into unnecessary detail about Hashirama's abilities though. The fact that Hashirama's DNA plus Uchiha powers allow you to control the Kyuubi and that Senju cells increase life expectancy is sufficient reason to prove why Madara wanted the DNA. Besides, its common knowledge now that body(senju) powers plus eye(Uchiha) abilities=Sage of the 6 paths strength, in terms of raw abilities.

Plus there's evidence from Kabuto and Orochimaru independent of all this that points to sharingan evolving to MS evolving to EMS evolving to Rinnegan

 

[Blaze Release]

There's too much evidence to suggest it does'nt require senju DNA. Made a thread about this a while ago:

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I think you went into unnecessary detail about Hashirama's abilities though. The fact that Hashirama's DNA plus Uchiha powers allow you to control the Kyuubi and that Senju cells increase life expectancy is sufficient reason to prove why Madara wanted the DNA. Besides, its common knowledge now that body(senju) powers plus eye(Uchiha) abilities=Sage of the 6 paths strength, in terms of raw abilities.

Plus there's evidence from Kabuto and Orochimaru independent of all this that points to sharingan evolving to MS evolving to EMS evolving to Rinnegan

I needed to stress the importance of the whole thing because people still believe that senju dna was needed, therefore i needed to explain what hashirama's abilities were and why a power hungry mofo like madara would want such abilities

 

[Cerox0]

+ Rep, only wrong part is you said Hashirama had 3 elements. Wood style is not on element it even said it on the same pic you posted Lol.

 

[Gèckö]

To much logic jk awesome thread

 

[NarutoKage2]

I needed to stress the importance of the whole thing because people still believe that senju dna was needed, therefore i needed to explain what hashirama's abilities were and why a power hungry mofo like madara would want such abilities

Just look at the fight with the 5 kages, the number of Mokuuton techs he's spammed should be evidence enough of why he wanted that DNA for most people.

And also, nowhere in the progression from sharingan(2 tomoe) all the way to EMS is anything other than Uchiha powers needed, i.e a trauma for the awakening of 2 tomoe, stress for 3 tomoe, death of a close friend for the Mangekyuo, and transplanting a fellow clan member's MS for the EMS. So why would the Uchiha need an outside source of power for a better doujutsu, when they've been accomplishing this all along using only Uchiha powers before?

 

[Prince Charles]

Just look at the fight with the 5 kages, the number of Mokuuton techs he's spammed should be evidence enough of why he wanted that DNA for most people.

And also, nowhere in the progression from sharingan(2 tomoe) all the way to EMS is anything other than Uchiha powers needed, i.e a trauma for the awakening of 2 tomoe, stress for 3 tomoe, death of a close friend for the Mangekyuo, and transplanting a fellow clan member's MS for the EMS. So why would the Uchiha need an outside source of power for a better doujutsu, when they've been accomplishing this all along using only Uchiha powers before?

blaze was just trying to make things clearer.

 

[NarutoKage2]

blaze was just trying to make things clearer.

Yeah, i was agreeing with this thread, just giving my reasons for doing so.

 

[Troyg39]

Natural progression of the senju?. *Sigh*, this is what ive tried to explain. What im saying is that the younger son was more complete than the older son. Senju have loads of chakra and life force, they actually had the body of the sage. The uchiha had the powerful chakra and eyes. But they didnt get the sage's eye, they didnt get the rennigan. Thats what im saying, whilst the younger brother was complete and actually had what the sage gave, the older brother didnt fully get what the sage gave him. He didnt have the rennigan.



Actually the manga has made it very clear that madara gave nagato the rennigan. Nagato's rennigan were transplanted, he didnt activate it

So are you basically saying that you don't need either Uchiha blood nore Senju blood to use the Rennigan? And that Madara can transplant the eyes into anybody, say, Sakura for example, and it would still work? This is why I said there were some holes in your theory. I don't think that's how it works. But who knows it might.

I also thought the manga said that Tobi gave Nagato the Rennian, not Madara. Maybe there's something that I missed, but I haven't seen anything in the manga that says Madara gave it to him, and I'm sure it's safe to say that tobi and madara are different people at this point.

As far as your first response, thank you that's all I was asking you for the start. You feel that there is no progression for the Senju because the Senju were already complete.

I still agree with your theory, I just want to make sense of it before I just take it for gold. You keep talking about what the manga clearly says, but all you are doing is speculating. I wish you would realize that. The manga does not clearly say that Nagato had the Rennigan transplated. For all we know it could've been unlocked. Just like the manga doesn't clearly say whether or not you need Senju or Uchiha DNA to use the Rennigan. I don't believe that just anyone can use it as you implied. But I do feel like you atleast need one OR THE OTHER. Not both. But I understand that that is my SPECULATION.

 

[MrLukyso]

That's obvious, but still thanks for posting this, I hate the "SMART" people who says it requires it.
Even though :

Madara had Hashirama DNA when he obtained Rinnegan.

 

[~Uzumaki~]

This is wrong. Why?


Reason 1When Itachi said completely new dojutsu, he was not referring to Rinnegan. Why? I'll explain

1. If Itachi knew that Madara awakened the Rinnegan, he would know the Sharingan user Tobi isn't MAdara

2. You're misunderstanding his statement. Look at Shonensuki-san's translation-

"By stealing both eyes of his own younger brother, Madara obtained new light. And… the light of those eyes never failed again. An eternal Mangekyō Sharingan! It is said that by finding a new host, the eyes of his younger brother obtained eternal light… And not only that, but a change occurred as well. A new, characteristic dōjutsu was born in those eyes. However, the exchange of eyes could only be done within the clan. Besides, using this method didn't mean just anybody could obtain new power. This became clear from the history of abundant sacrifices that came after later…" (「「自ら弟の両眼を奪い取ったのだマダラは新たな光を手に入れた。そして…もう二度とその眼の光は閉じることが無かった。永遠の万華鏡写輪眼!弟の眼は新しい宿主を得ることで永遠の光を手に入れたという…そしてそればかりか変化を起こした。特有の新しい瞳術がその眼に生まれたのだ。ただし 瞳のやりとりは一族間でしか行なえない。それにこの方法で誰もが新しい力を手に出来るわけではない。これは その後の多くの犠牲の歴史の上に築かれた事実…」」, "Mizukara otōto no ryōme o ubaitotta no da. Madara wa aratana hikari o te ni ireta. Soshite… mō nido to sono me no hikari wa tojiru koto ga nakatta. Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan! Otōto no me wa atarashii yadonushi o eru koto de eien no hikari o te ni ireta to iu… Soshite sore bakari ka henka o okoshita. Tokuyū no atarashii dōjutsu ga sono me ni umareta no da. Tadashi, hitomi no yaritori wa ichizokukan de shika okonaenai. Sore ni kono hōhō de daremo ga atarashii chikara o te ni dekiru wake de wa nai. Kore wa, sono ato no ōku no gisei no rekishi no ue ni kizukareta jijitsu…")

The words used were new characteristic dojutsu then look below that Statement, you would see Madara with his new EMS which is a combination of his own and Izuna's design, its a characteristic dojutsu because there's no way any other person can awaken a Mangekyo with that same design. So from that satement, what Itachi is saying is that---

1. EMS circumvents blindness

2. It gives a new eye design that will be characteristc of the user and him alone.



Reason 2---Madara and Hashirama fought many times, he should have awakened Rinnegan in one of those battles by your logic, also if 'history were to repeat itself, isn't Madara supposed to have awakened the Rinnegan during the battle, where Hashirama could see it and know that he awakened it? Also it isn't almost dying that awakens the Sharingan and increases the tomoe, it is intense emotions of certain events. For example----


SAsuke awakened Sharingan after hearing Itachi tell him that he killed the clan.

He completed the tomoe after he told Naruto he has cut all bonds with him and Konoha

He awakened the MS after hearing Itachi had sacrificed all for him and Konoha.

Following this manner according to your logic, shouldn't Madara have awakened the Rinnegan from the intense emotion of Izuna dying?

Madara never implied he wrote on the Uchiha tablet, I'll explain---

Remember Kabuto just said 'what awaits you after Sharingan is the Rinnegan'
Madara said 'I awakened these eyes shortly before my death. Kabuto you said something didn't you? Did you do something to this body?'
KAbuto: I already told you you've been completed beyond your prime

Then Madara said 'The secrets of my body...you who can't read the Uchiha tablet, you deciphered them?!'
Meaning
1. Madara's body is connected to awakening the Rinnegan being awakened from Sharingan. Deciphering the stone tablet of Uchiha was what Madara used to awaken it and he expected that for any other person to discover the secret they must read it as well.

2. To understand the secrets of his body(which is the secret of Rinnegan awakening) one must be able to read what is written on the tablet. So he's saying that the secret of awakening the Rinnegan is on the tablet.

Conclusion: Madara obeyed instructions on the tablet and awakened Rinnegan. He didn't write it.




ULTIMATE CONCLUSION!!!!!-

Itachi was referring to EMS design when he said new dojutsu.

Madara couldn't have awakened Rinnegan by near death battle because he has had many near death battles with Hashirama that he knew so much about Hashirama's power.


Now to explain why Senju DNA is required for the Rinnegan


Reason 1---Senju DNA has enhanced Sharingan before in various instances

It made KA able to be use per day, not per decade.

It made Izanagi up to 1 minute for Danzo and up to 5 minutes for Tobi.

Conclusion---Hashirama's DNA is a Sharingan enhancer


Reason 2---Madara made an allusion(explained above) that Rinnegan awakening is connected to his body. The only modification made to his body is gaining Hashirama.

You also asked? Why go after HAshirama? Well its pretty simple, HAshirama had the greatest life force such that controlling his cells is difficult and can turn you to a tree, having his power can make an old man like Danzo who is supposed to be as frail and weak as old Hiruzen, able to fight on par with a young guy like SAsuke and hold power back to fight Tobi.
HAshirama is the greatest of Senju
Madara was the greatest of Uchiha
COmbining both will give the greatest of their two bloodlines-The power of the Six paths.
Don't believe me. Believe Konan who spend most of her life with a Rinnegan user-----
She said 'The powers of Uchiha and Senju...that's the power of the Six Paths...'

 

[MrLukyso]

So are you basically saying that you don't need either Uchiha blood nore Senju blood to use the Rennigan? And that Madara can transplant the eyes into anybody, say, Sakura for example, and it would still work? This is why I said there were some holes in your theory. I don't think that's how it works. But who knows it might.

I also thought the manga said that Tobi gave Nagato the Rennian, not Madara. Maybe there's something that I missed, but I haven't seen anything in the manga that says Madara gave it to him, and I'm sure it's safe to say that tobi and madara are different people at this point.

As far as your first response, thank you that's all I was asking you for the start. You feel that there is no progression for the Senju because the Senju were already complete.

I still agree with your theory, I just want to make sense of it before I just take it for gold. You keep talking about what the manga clearly says, but all you are doing is speculating. I wish you would realize that. The manga does not clearly say that Nagato had the Rennigan transplated. For all we know it could've been unlocked. Just like the manga doesn't clearly say whether or not you need Senju or Uchiha DNA to use the Rennigan. I don't believe that just anyone can use it as you implied. But I do feel like you atleast need one OR THE OTHER. Not both. But I understand that that is my SPECULATION.

Madara gave it to Tobi, which was mission for Tobi to give it to Nagato.

 

[MrLukyso]

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This is wrong. Why?


Reason 1When Itachi said completely new dojutsu, he was not referring to Rinnegan. Why? I'll explain

1. If Itachi knew that Madara awakened the Rinnegan, he would know the Sharingan user Tobi isn't MAdara

2. You're misunderstanding his statement. Look at Shonensuki-san's translation-

"By stealing both eyes of his own younger brother, Madara obtained new light. And… the light of those eyes never failed again. An eternal Mangekyō Sharingan! It is said that by finding a new host, the eyes of his younger brother obtained eternal light… And not only that, but a change occurred as well. A new, characteristic dōjutsu was born in those eyes. However, the exchange of eyes could only be done within the clan. Besides, using this method didn't mean just anybody could obtain new power. This became clear from the history of abundant sacrifices that came after later…" (「「自ら弟の両眼を奪い取ったのだマダラは新たな光を手に入れた。そして…もう二度とその眼の光は閉じることが無かった。永遠の万華鏡写輪眼!弟の眼は新しい宿主を得ることで永遠の光を手に入れたという…そしてそればかりか変化を起こした。特有の新しい瞳術がその眼に生まれたのだ。ただし 瞳のやりとりは一族間でしか行なえない。それにこの方法で誰もが新しい力を手に出来るわけではない。これは その後の多くの犠牲の歴史の上に築かれた事実…」」, "Mizukara otōto no ryōme o ubaitotta no da. Madara wa aratana hikari o te ni ireta. Soshite… mō nido to sono me no hikari wa tojiru koto ga nakatta. Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan! Otōto no me wa atarashii yadonushi o eru koto de eien no hikari o te ni ireta to iu… Soshite sore bakari ka henka o okoshita. Tokuyū no atarashii dōjutsu ga sono me ni umareta no da. Tadashi, hitomi no yaritori wa ichizokukan de shika okonaenai. Sore ni kono hōhō de daremo ga atarashii chikara o te ni dekiru wake de wa nai. Kore wa, sono ato no ōku no gisei no rekishi no ue ni kizukareta jijitsu…")

The words used were new characteristic dojutsu then look below that Statement, you would see Madara with his new EMS which is a combination of his own and Izuna's design, its a characteristic dojutsu because there's no way any other person can awaken a Mangekyo with that same design. So from that satement, what Itachi is saying is that---

1. EMS circumvents blindness

2. It gives a new eye design that will be characteristc of the user and him alone.



Reason 2---Madara and Hashirama fought many times, he should have awakened Rinnegan in one of those battles by your logic, also if 'history were to repeat itself, isn't Madara supposed to have awakened the Rinnegan during the battle, where Hashirama could see it and know that he awakened it? Also it isn't almost dying that awakens the Sharingan and increases the tomoe, it is intense emotions of certain events. For example----


SAsuke awakened Sharingan after hearing Itachi tell him that he killed the clan.

He completed the tomoe after he told Naruto he has cut all bonds with him and Konoha

He awakened the MS after hearing Itachi had sacrificed all for him and Konoha.

Following this manner according to your logic, shouldn't Madara have awakened the Rinnegan from the intense emotion of Izuna dying?

Madara never implied he wrote on the Uchiha tablet, I'll explain---

Remember Kabuto just said 'what awaits you after Sharingan is the Rinnegan'
Madara said 'I awakened these eyes shortly before my death. Kabuto you said something didn't you? Did you do something to this body?'
KAbuto: I already told you you've been completed beyond your prime

Then Madara said 'The secrets of my body...you who can't read the Uchiha tablet, you deciphered them?!'
Meaning
1. Madara's body is connected to awakening the Rinnegan being awakened from Sharingan. Deciphering the stone tablet of Uchiha was what Madara used to awaken it and he expected that for any other person to discover the secret they must read it as well.

2. To understand the secrets of his body(which is the secret of Rinnegan awakening) one must be able to read what is written on the tablet. So he's saying that the secret of awakening the Rinnegan is on the tablet.

Conclusion: Madara obeyed instructions on the tablet and awakened Rinnegan. He didn't write it.




ULTIMATE CONCLUSION!!!!!-

Itachi was referring to EMS design when he said new dojutsu.

Madara couldn't have awakened Rinnegan by near death battle because he has had many near death battles with Hashirama that he knew so much about Hashirama's power.


Now to explain why Senju DNA is required for the Rinnegan


Reason 1---Senju DNA has enhanced Sharingan before in various instances

It made KA able to be use per day, not per decade.

It made Izanagi up to 1 minute for Danzo and up to 5 minutes for Tobi.

Conclusion---Hashirama's DNA is a Sharingan enhancer


Reason 2---Madara made an allusion(explained above) that Rinnegan awakening is connected to his body. The only modification made to his body is gaining Hashirama.

You also asked? Why go after HAshirama? Well its pretty simple, HAshirama had the greatest life force such that controlling his cells is difficult and can turn you to a tree, having his power can make an old man like Danzo who is supposed to be as frail and weak as old Hiruzen, able to fight on par with a young guy like SAsuke and hold power back to fight Tobi.
HAshirama is the greatest of Senju
Madara was the greatest of Uchiha
COmbining both will give the greatest of their two bloodlines-The power of the Six paths.
Don't believe me. Believe Konan who spend most of her life with a Rinnegan user-----
She said 'The powers of Uchiha and Senju...that's the power of the Six Paths...'

Dumbass, it's evolution of EMS, just like 2tomoe evoles into 3 tomoe, you all people who says otherwise... WHAT CONNECTION DO SENJU AND UCHIHA HAS IN UCHIHA DOJUTSU ? There's only one jutsu that connects them - IZANAGI, POINT. Senju DNa has nothing to do with any other Uchiha tech maybe Izanami since it's like brother jutsu to Izanagi. You're telling me you need senju DNA to master EMS ? Are you stupid?

 

[Easyfathom]

Twas' nice to read, as your threads seem to consist of this
Because I don't want to cause any problems, but as I was reading it all, there were a few things where I was like "will comment on that, on that... blah blah" but have forgotten already xD

1. I don't think it needs senju DNA. But I am still sceptical on weather it does need a near death experience 'again' or weather it needs a younger son's trait... No not the DNA but the powerful life force. Which I still think is plausible. I mean, so far the Uchiha has always had something in the way before they unlock stronger power. Unlock sharingan by near death experience, then you get 3 tomoe, you need to kill your best friend unlock MS take eyes and you get EMS, and now it could go back to a near death experience or something new again which could go back to the other half of the sage (not DNA) but a trait he got, the powerful life force. Which is plausible to further explain what Madara obtained from Hashirama (as he did say he obtained something from him, and as we probably both agree it wasn't DNA )

2. The other point I wanted to make to you is more of a question.
Are you trying to say that the younger son was naturally gifted with his abilities whereas the older son had to work for his, and unlock there's?

So Naruto part 1, Kishi emphasised on hard work and determination will get you there.

Thus Naruto trained, worked hard and believed in himself. Coming from someone who has nothing from friends, parents, family and even talent he is now an amazing shinobi.

Sasuke on the other hand, after the first 200 episodes pretty much went into Oro giving him hand me downs, Itachi then giving him MS powers which as follows he unlocked the rest, to then having Itachi's eyes transplanted and getting more powerful (which me personally I haven't seen) has had to keep getting through these circumstances and unlocking the next stage because that is what the 'older son' has to do?

So let me just put it quickly into respective.
You could actually be onto something really good here and it does make sense now that I think about it.

Older son: Has great potential but needs to unlock it
Younger son: Has great ability and has talent

Sasuke: Has great talent and potential, but needs to unlock them
Naruto: Has great ability but no talent

Is this what you meant to my point 2? I can see it making sense even if this is not what you meant haha xD


Edit: Reading someone's post above me kinda makes my idea sound better. As you said as well Blaze, Hashirama has been an enhance for certain Uchiha abilities, such as KA and Izanagi. The person above me however says this is senju DNA and that is the enhancer. However, what is the pattern here, and the WHOLE senju DNA factor? It's Hashirama, he is the denominator for the enhancement. Now Blaze made a brilliant point on they could of grabbed any old Senju for DNA even Tsunade who has reputaion herself, or second hokage in his grave? But once again I bring you back to my point of it's not Senju DNA as a whole, it is one of the senju, the 'younger son's' traits... The powerful life force. This is the enhance and what I believe pushes the sharingan user onto Rinnegan.

 

[Troyg39]

Madara gave it to Tobi, which was mission for Tobi to give it to Nagato.

Not saying it's impossible, just saying I've never read anywhere in the manga about that. Also, I've heard this rumor before. I also heard that it wasn't true, and that Tobi didn't transplant anything, but instead he set the proper conditions for Nagato to awaken it himself. Kind of like he forced it out of Nagato. But again, I haven't seen that in the manga either

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Dumbass, it's evolution of EMS, just like 2tomoe evoles into 3 tomoe, you all people who says otherwise... WHAT CONNECTION DO SENJU AND UCHIHA HAS IN UCHIHA DOJUTSU ? There's only one jutsu that connects them - IZANAGI, POINT. Senju DNa has nothing to do with any other Uchiha tech maybe Izanami since it's like brother jutsu to Izanagi. You're telling me you need senju DNA to master EMS ? Are you stupid?

Obviously you didn't read.....*sigh*

 

[Blaze Release]

So are you basically saying that you don't need either Uchiha blood nore Senju blood to use the Rennigan? And that Madara can transplant the eyes into anybody, say, Sakura for example, and it would still work? This is why I said there were some holes in your theory. I don't think that's how it works. But who knows it might.

I also thought the manga said that Tobi gave Nagato the Rennian, not Madara. Maybe there's something that I missed, but I haven't seen anything in the manga that says Madara gave it to him, and I'm sure it's safe to say that tobi and madara are different people at this point.

As far as your first response, thank you that's all I was asking you for the start. You feel that there is no progression for the Senju because the Senju were already complete.

I still agree with your theory, I just want to make sense of it before I just take it for gold. You keep talking about what the manga clearly says, but all you are doing is speculating. I wish you would realize that. The manga does not clearly say that Nagato had the Rennigan transplated. For all we know it could've been unlocked. Just like the manga doesn't clearly say whether or not you need Senju or Uchiha DNA to use the Rennigan. I don't believe that just anyone can use it as you implied. But I do feel like you atleast need one OR THE OTHER. Not both. But I understand that that is my SPECULATION.

Uzumaki are related to the senju. Madara did give nagato the rennigan whether you believe it or not. Tobi speaking as madara said that he (madara) gave nagato the rennigan. He then said that gedo rin tensei that nagato used to revive the people he killed in konoha was supposed to be used on him. It was then confirmed when madara came out of the coffin and talked about nagato and asked whether nagato has grown up to revive him. For mu to disappoint him and tell him that its edo tensei. Before madara died he gave the rennigan to an uzumaki for him to be revived later on.

Secondly this is backed by how the sharigan works. We know that when a non uchiha gains their eyes they cannot turn off so to speak the sharigan, due to this kakashi and danzo cover their eyes to stop chakra drainage.

Never have we seen nagato being able to revert back to the ems, then the sharigan like madara can. Thats because he is not a uchiha with transplanted eyes. The reason why he was stuck with the rennigan is because that was what was activated at the time of the transplant. The reason why i believe madara gave it to an uzumaki is because of their special chakra and this is what nagato possessed. I believe with this chakra, the rennigan wouldnt drain him like how the sharigan drains a non uchiha