The Rennigan DOESNT require Senju DNA!!!

[MorphyRulez]

IF we look closely , Final battle of Sasuke and Naruto should be like, in part1 Naruto vs Sasuke at Valley of the End. What we saw there, Naruto has 1 tailed Kyuubi Cloack and Sasuke has 2-tomoe Sharingan + CM then his sharingan evolved 3-tomoe and equalize it. Why not When BM naruto raping Sasuke, then he gain rinnegan and equalize the situation again. BTW +rep for long explanation. I'm thinking that way too when Itachi talked about " TRUE UCHIHA " things. You did well.

 

[Blaze Release]

So, Madara did take Hashirama's DNA at VOTE? But this was independant of him unlocking the Rinnegan?

He fought him to gain access to his many abilities which the manga has made clear. Now its been said that only hashirama at that time could beat madara. I believe that madara, based his hypothesis on how the sharigan works, its natural evolution which involves near death experiences and used this to his advantage to activate the rennigan.

Basically he didnt just fight for hashirama's dna, he also fought for that near death experience which activated his rennigan

 

[Ryuu..]

He fought him to gain access to his many abilities which the manga has made clear. Now its been said that only hashirama at that time could beat madara. I believe that madara, based his hypothesis on how the sharigan works, its natural evolution which involves near death experiences and used this to his advantage to activate the rennigan.

Basically he didnt just fight for hashirama's dna, he also fought for that near that experience which activated his rennigan

Alright but what did Kabuto mean here though? Because if he already got Hashirama's abilities and the Rinnegan, what could Kabuto have possibly improved? Unless Madara got the DNA but couldn't use Mokuton et al, in which case, the hypothesis that Kabuto is talking about refers to how Yamato was given his abilities.

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[Dantee]

These are my feelings as well. Nicely written Blaze.

 

[Elio]

+rep Nice thread. Lots of info.

 

[Viewtiful]

And I have a feeling that the words "natural progression" weren't present in the Japanese. It's already known to be complete bull. For example, just to obtain the EMS, you must do something quite unnatural and take the eyes of a blood relative who has the MS. And to regress to a previous evolution (going from EMS to Rinnegan is only progressing in the power aspect) is definitely not natural. I'll try to dig up what was said there.

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By the way, I'm not saying you're wrong, just mentioning that there's a possibility of it actually being needed.

 

[Blaze Release]

Alright but what did Kabuto mean here though? Because if he already got Hashirama's abilities and the Rinnegan, what could Kabuto have possibly improved? Unless Madara got the DNA but couldn't use Mokuton et al, in which case, the hypothesis that Kabuto is talking about refers to how Yamato was given his abilities.

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Notice that kabuto was basically saying that its his enhancements/hypothesis that has basically made madara this beast and madara replied by saying dont get the wrong idea YOU DIDNT create this power. This is what im trying to say. Its not his enhancements that created this power (rennigan).

If youve noticed somethign about edo madara, you'd see that he is basically a combination of ems, rennigan and mokouton. I believe the enhancements are how he uses the techniques.

For example using mokouton, he was able to create a forest in an instant and Tsunade who knows of her grandfather's technique was surprised about how quickly madara was able to produce the technique. Basically hinting that not even hashirama could create that technique on that big a scale in that little time;

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We saw that nagato pulled a little rock with banshou tennin, yet madara pulled 2 metoers. Now i believe that was a combination of the ems (susano handseals) and rennigan (banshou tennin), which allowed him to pull two metoers in quick succession. What im saying is that not only can he use techniques on a greater scale, he can produce them a lot lot quicker

 

[Viewtiful]

Actually, the databook description says that this technique "creates a forest in an instant". And I'd like to point out that Tsunade was born long after Hashirama had died.

 

[d33zy91]

Good thread

 

[jtolliver87]

And I have a feeling that the words "natural progression" weren't present in the Japanese. It's already known to be complete bull. For example, just to obtain the EMS, you must do something quite unnatural and take the eyes of a blood relative who has the MS. And to regress to a previous evolution (going from EMS to Rinnegan is only progressing in the power aspect) is definitely not natural. I'll try to dig up what was said there.

Although technically not natural due to fact its a med procedure...The rinnegan is not an ordinary dojutsu which means it would make sense to make it so diff to achieve its power...first of all you have to be blood related to the donor of the eyes to activate EMS which naturally screens out people who arent worthy of progressing to the level of achieving rennigan...not many uchiha have activated MS so to have to siblings do it represents a pure bloodline...thus ensuring only the best will advance far enough to eventually receive the rennigan and i dnt even like uchiha

 

[Blaze Release]

Actually, the databook description says that this technique "creates a forest in an instant". And I'd like to point out that Tsunade was born long after Hashirama had died.

Databook, when was such a technique updated in the databook.
Also Tsunade seems to know about her grandfathers abilities;

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. As for Tsunade being born long after hashirama died, im not certain about that because her bf dan, basically knew enough of hashirama and madara. Anyway lets not get off target

 

[naruttebayo]

i read only the thread title and i agree that rinnegan doesn't need senju DNA
example is nagato lol

 

[~MC117~]

I agree but you never know

 

[iSpeak]

So it seems you have finally accepted Sasuke will get the Rinnegan lol.

 

[chaotykxninja]

Rennigan DOESNT require Senju DNA!!!

you hit the nail on the head, nice .

but u forgot that it's because madara had a realization the moment before he died and understood wat hashirama was fighting for, same will happen w/ sasuke/naruto understanding. sasuke almost dies . we all think he's dead,then right before end of the manga on the last page sasuke dead body opens his eyes tada "rennigan"!

 

[Troyg39]

I don't think BM and KM can be compared to EMS and Rinnegan like you did. Not trying to knock your hypothesis, but the sharingan and all it's variations is a BLOODLINE trait. As in it's apart of the Uchiha clan. Naruto gets his KM and BM from having Kurama inside of him. It has nothing to do with the Uzumaki clan or any form of heritage. I think that little fact kind of opens up a lot of holes in this theory.

It seemed like you were trying to imply that Naruto could also get the Rinnegan because of his progressions in with BM and KM. Well, that just simply can't be true, for the reasons I explained earlier. I really do like the idea of the MS and EMS being progressions to the Rinnegan, but that's like saying only Uchiha memebers can obtain the Rinnegan. The So6p split his powers in two, Uchiha getting the eyes, and Senju getting the body. It seems kind of unfair if the Uchiha can progress to So6p status without the help of Senju DNA yet the Senju can't do the same on their own.

I guess I'm kind of asking you, if your theory is true then what is the progession that the Senju take to reach the Rinnegan? Or do you feel that they simply don't get it to have that ability. I don't think your explanation of BM and KM really makes sense at all. Also, maybe in order to open the Rinnegan, you need a certain AMOUNT of Senju and Uchiha DNA. If Harishima was the only one with enough power to help activate the Rinnegan, maybe Madara had no choice but to go after him instead of a lesser Senju. Just a thought. Plus, if he didn't need Senju DNA, wouldn't it have been smarter to take on Harishima AFTER he unlocked the Rinnegan?

 

[NarutoMyBrother]

Rennigan DOESNT require Senju DNA!!!

you hit the nail on the head, nice .

but u forgot that it's because madara had a realization the moment before he died and understood wat hashirama was fighting for, same will happen w/ sasuke/naruto understanding. sasuke almost dies . we all think he's dead,then right before end of the manga on the last page sasuke dead body opens his eyes tada "rennigan"!

According to what you said, we can assume that the series could continue a little bit longer than we've thought?
To think about that, it would be kinda weird in my eyes to first see Sasuke "dying" and we're thinking manga to be about in the end. Then we see Sasuke being alive with rinnegan. After that 5 manga more about N&S battle and then BAM! The end... I think it should continue by Shinobi leaving Sasuke alone and after few years Sasuke would show himself again with rinnegan+other stuff, eh?

 

[UzumakiNaruto20]

i read only the thread title and i agree that rinnegan doesn't need senju DNA
example is nagato lol

???Nagato is related to the Senju clan

 

[Blaze Release]

I don't think BM and KM can be compared to EMS and Rinnegan like you did. Not trying to knock your hypothesis, but the sharingan and all it's variations is a BLOODLINE trait. As in it's apart of the Uchiha clan. Naruto gets his KM and BM from having Kurama inside of him. It has nothing to do with the Uzumaki clan or any form of heritage. I think that little fact kind of opens up a lot of holes in this theory.

It seemed like you were trying to imply that Naruto could also get the Rinnegan because of his progressions in with BM and KM. Well, that just simply can't be true, for the reasons I explained earlier. I really do like the idea of the MS and EMS being progressions to the Rinnegan, but that's like saying only Uchiha memebers can obtain the Rinnegan. The So6p split his powers in two, Uchiha getting the eyes, and Senju getting the body. It seems kind of unfair if the Uchiha can progress to So6p status without the help of Senju DNA yet the Senju can't do the same on their own.

I guess I'm kind of asking you, if your theory is true then what is the progession that the Senju take to reach the Rinnegan? Or do you feel that they simply don't get it to have that ability. I don't think your explanation of BM and KM really makes sense at all. Also, maybe in order to open the Rinnegan, you need a certain AMOUNT of Senju and Uchiha DNA. If Harishima was the only one with enough power to help activate the Rinnegan, maybe Madara had no choice but to go after him instead of a lesser Senju. Just a thought. Plus, if he didn't need Senju DNA, wouldn't it have been smarter to take on Harishima AFTER he unlocked the Rinnegan?

The firstly the reason why compared km and bm to ems and rinnegan isnt just because i believe they are stepping stone, what im also trying to say is that kishi has said they both grow as a fair, therefore you can further try and compare naruto and sasuke, by saing sm= ms. I didnt include sm=ms because that doesnt necessarily have anything to do with the thread. What im basically saying is that the progress as a pair, but also both km and bm are no different to ems and rennigan, could say body vs eyes.

Never in op did i try and say naruto can get the rennigan xd. Think you misread something on your part.

Anyway you are denying what the manga says and claiming that it would be unfair if the uchiha get the rennigan, without the need of the senju and that was the whole point of this thread, it doesnt need senju dna so to speak.

At the highlighted part. Thats what im trying to say, only hashirama could allow madara to achieve a near death experience and no other senju, thats why he fought. Not just to gain access to hashirama's abilities but also to achieve a near death experience which would grant him the rinnegan

 

[Prince Charles]

even tho it was nicely laid out, i just cant see sasuke getting rinnegan. just think about if he were to get rinnegan NO NINJA CAN BEAT HIM,

with ems +rinnegan ... i just dont see it he would be wayyy to hax.