nice...i remeber u posted on my thread that ull explain this and ive been waiting ever since...good job looks like you put as much thought and effort in your thread as i did on my =) ... i dont mind longness i no how important it is to make things clear. + rep
The Rennigan DOESNT require Senju DNA!!!
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Ok first of all. Who said Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan before he died? We know TOBI gave Nagato the Rinnegan but no where does it confirm that Madara did before he died.
Also I don't agree that Naruto would "annihilate" Sasuke at their current level. The Kyuubi mode that Naruto has now let's him move supposedly as fast as his Dad could move. The Raikage who was said to be on par with Minato was not fast enough to beat Sasuke.
If someone that was just as fast as Naruto couldn't beat MS Sasuke then I don't think Naruto could. Sasuke also has a much more powerful Susano now and EMS as well. I agree Sasuke will unlock the Rinnegan but I just had those two things to disagree on.
Nice one taking the time to write all this out though.
Also I don't agree that Naruto would "annihilate" Sasuke at their current level. The Kyuubi mode that Naruto has now let's him move supposedly as fast as his Dad could move. The Raikage who was said to be on par with Minato was not fast enough to beat Sasuke.
If someone that was just as fast as Naruto couldn't beat MS Sasuke then I don't think Naruto could. Sasuke also has a much more powerful Susano now and EMS as well. I agree Sasuke will unlock the Rinnegan but I just had those two things to disagree on.
Nice one taking the time to write all this out though.
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but isnt nagato related to the senju ? so that puts your example in reverse since tobi stated he gave nagato the rinnegan cause he is uchiha he could of injected nagato with his blood wen he was younger i believe it can work betweens senju and uchiha in getting the rinnegan
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How do you not understand i'm not talking about itachi, There are 3 different sources that state that izanagi requires senju dna and we don't know ANYTHING about izanami. Clearly you don't need senju dna for izanami, but for izanagi you do. Easy as that.
And just to clear it up for you AGAIN.
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Any speculation that izanagi doesn't require senju dna is simply a theory, and while it can be argued with slim points from the manga, the manga supports this 95% until we know who tobi truly is. (Edited after reading Blaze Releases other threads which neither prove or disprove either point) So i'm giving you a compromise; we wait and see who madara is or wait for it to be specifically stated in the manga that the techniques do not require senju dna. I'm being awfully generous here.
And actually, rereading this manga page just added to my thought that you do need senju dna for the rinnegan, seeing as how konan exclaims that having senju and uchiha dna is the "power of the six paths." Since Madara had implanted senju dna after his fight with the first, he had both uchiha and senju dna, and since nagato is an uzumaki he has traces of senju dna, and if the eyes were implanted in him by madara or tobi then that provides the uchiha dna needed to use the rinnegan.
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Question: If Madara and Hashirama were alive around the same time, along with Tobirama.. And Hiruzen was taught by the 2nd. Wouldn't that mean Nagato was around Hiruzen's age? Give or take a few years?
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@Necromancer4276 Sorry but I have to agree with EternalSage. That manga page you linked with Tobi saying that Senju DNA is required to USE Izanagi is a lost-in-translation error because Senju DNA isn't needed to perform Izanagi. If they possess Senju DNA then Izanagi is much stronger.
Think about it this way. Why would the Uchiha clan declare a technique FORBIDDEN if you needed Sharingan and Senju DNA to even use it.... no one in the Uchiha clan had that. Banning a jutsu that no one can use would be rather stupid for a clan as intelligent as the Uchiha.
Edit: Itachi does indeed say Izanagi and Izanami are a pair and that makes complete sense because Izanagi is a god and his wife Izanami together created the islands and other deities of Japan. Also Izanagi created Amaterasu from his left eye, Tsukuyomi from his right eye and Susanoo from his nose. This stuff is clearly all connected so having Izanagi and Izanami both in Naruto clearly they are a PAIR.
Think about it this way. Why would the Uchiha clan declare a technique FORBIDDEN if you needed Sharingan and Senju DNA to even use it.... no one in the Uchiha clan had that. Banning a jutsu that no one can use would be rather stupid for a clan as intelligent as the Uchiha.
Edit: Itachi does indeed say Izanagi and Izanami are a pair and that makes complete sense because Izanagi is a god and his wife Izanami together created the islands and other deities of Japan. Also Izanagi created Amaterasu from his left eye, Tsukuyomi from his right eye and Susanoo from his nose. This stuff is clearly all connected so having Izanagi and Izanami both in Naruto clearly they are a PAIR.
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A misprint...? really? Look at any manga page on any site and it says the same thing, this is confirmed on the wiki and by now i thought this was common knowledge.
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Four different sites with four different translators that all say the same thing. It's even translated using those words in the anime...
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Tobi has a completed version of Izanagi that's what he means by that. I love how you have one manga page that says Izanagi needs Sharingan + Senju DNA yet there are other manga pages that only say Sharingan is needed yet we are wrong and you are right. Nice logic.
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What the hell are you talking about? They all say "A technique that requires the powers of the uchiha and the senju (or the senju and the uchiha)" None of them say only a sharingan is needed. It's a sharingan technique. Read ALL of the panels please. If you have manga pages from 5 sites saying that it is a technique possible by someone who possesses both the uchiha and the UCHIHA dna i would love to see them.
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This picture that was posted on this same page lol. Itachi doesn't say anything about needing Senju DNA and we know he has all the knowledge because he knows of Izanami and even how to use Izanami, if he knows how to use Izanami he sure as hell knows how to use Izanagi and he clearly says "UCHIHA eyes have the power to blah blah in exchange for losing their own sight". THAT is the default Izanagi. Danzo was able to use it for 60 seconds because he had Senju DNA. All Senju DNA does it make it more powerful.
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Tobi even says that the people who couldn't control the Senju DNA had an INCOMPLETE Izanagi. I will say it again. Senju DNA is required to use the technique to the FULLEST. It is NOT required to simply use the technique.
One other thing, Izanami is a technique on par with Izanagi that according to Itachi form a pair. If Izanagi is a technique used originally by the So6p then Izanami must also be on the So6p level yet Itachi can use it and he has no Senju DNA at all.
I'll say it again. WHY would the Uchiha clan forbid a technique that required Sharingan AND Senju DNA to use? More importantly no one had both of those things... which means if Izanagi did indeed require both Sharingan and Senju DNA then how was it forbidden? The first person to have both Sharingan and Senju DNA was Madara and no one even knew he obtained Hashirama's DNA so that can't be used.
Do you understand that? A technique can't be forbidden if no one could USE it. If Izanagi required the user to have Sharingan and Senju DNA then tell me this, who was the one using it? Hmmm?
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Well done good sir. I don't see a flaw I could shine a light on. It was well thought out and heavyly supported.
Well done good sir. I don't see a flaw I could shine a light on. It was well thought out and heavyly supported.
The Necromancer
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I'm going to compromise with you. Danzo's izanagi was incomplete because he could not control hashirama's cells (evidenced by the fact that he was nearly taken over when he was out of chakra) He still had the senju chakra which meant that he could use it. If anyone can use izanagi then the uchiha massacre would have been an itachi massacre. (I already know you're gonna say it's forbidden, but so is the multi shadow clone jutsu, and the imperfect rasen shuriken, but those are used by anyone who wants to anyway) And if, according to nearly everyone on this thread, uchiha can obtain senju dna from any senju that was alive throughout the ninja wars when the uchiha and senju would fight almost exclusively, then it's reasonable to say that there were quite a few in history. HOWEVER, i'm offering to you that neither of us is right and we will wait for another manga chapter where someone without senju dna uses izanagi (not izanami. Just because something is paired doesn't mean it's exactly the same.) This argument is over. -Blaze Release, im sorry all of these arguments have gotten out of hand on your thread. I believe it's possible to get the rinnegan without senju dna as i stated before, but i would prefer to wait until the exact progression is revealed to close the file on it completely.
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