[Discussion] The "Relic" that is Doflamingo (power discussion)

[HowDidIGetPrem]

I wouldn't say 1st Commander level, but he's around there. Between Cracker only surviving G4 by hiding behind biscuit soldiers alongside being too slow to catch a fattened Luffy and Dog Tooth getting knocked on his head by a single G4 punch without Observation Haki, I'm inclined to say the only reason Katakuri and Cracker survived G4 was through gimmicky abilities. As in, abilities we're unlikely to see in other firstmates. Everything is saying that Doflamingo has better stats since, all without assistance of gimmicks, he either managed to dodge or tank G4 Luffy for so long, tanked Gamma, and then a Kong Gun.

Buut, the G2 & G4 Luffy that Doflamingo fought is likely weaker than the one Katakuri fought. Luffy has always progressed throughout fights and whatnot. And even if Doflamingo is better rounded, he still can't compete. Cracker is ridiculed for being unable to tank and saying that he doesn't like pain, but makes up for that with an iron defense through his DF. And then there's Katakuri who got KOed by Luffy despite having such insane haki coating him, but he has.. insane haki propping him up to 1st Commander.
Doflamingo just doesn't have any extreme abilities to keep up with those two. Besides, yknow, the thing that Oda made Doflamingo stick himself into when he would have won had he not. IF Doflamingo can make birdcage so hard, I think it's just plot restriction that he can't form individual strings as hard. Even a single string that hard could slice clean through Katakuri.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Please show me where I said that Shiliew is the second strongest because he's the 2nd division commander. And believing that you'd think Ace is #2 just because of his division number isn't baseless given that you think Burgess is BB's first mate despite proving himself to be fodder in Dressrosa.

1. Shiliew part about him being the second strongest.

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2,@Bold: Ace has nothing to do with Burgess

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

1. Shiliew part about him being the second strongest.

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2,@Bold: Ace has nothing to do with Burgess

And where in that post did I say that my reason for believing that Shiliew is the first mate is his division number?

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Yes, Doflamingo is on the same level with those top level yonkou commander. In other words shichibaku. There's a set hierarchy between these characters but Dofy is up there with the likes of Cracker.


Dogtooth is the fistmate and the second strongest after the Yonkou, you cannot compare him to the likes of Dogtooth to the rest of the family such as Cracker so Doflamingo doesn't differ.

-In terms of influence Dogtooth was a man that never lost yet he achieved a bounty that is over a billion. Of course Doflamingo's influence couldn't compare to someone of that standard.

-In terms of strength the difference between the two is as night as to day. You're talking about a guy who pummeled Gear 4 Luffy

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In comparison to a guy who survived the pummeling of Gear 4 until the time limit. The when Luffy approached Dogtooth, he needed to fight to reach up to his level and his Dogtooth even with Snakeman. It was a long drown out fight to the point that both of them were completely finished with their power but Luffy won because he remained conscious after they both collapsed for 7 minutes.
With Dofy that's not the case and he didn't need to resort to Snakeman.

Also Dogtooth's observation haki is superior and his Block mochi haki is on par with G4 Luffy, can't say the same for Doffy. My point is that Yonkou Firstmates are on a class of their own.

just want to comment on the influence thing... Umm no in terms of influence before his arrest Doffy had it in spades only second to people like mihawk and dragon
the guy is a former celstrial dragon
under world king
and king of a country that is important enough to hold a seat on the reverie..

as for doffy bounty against a katakuri's , doffy would have at the very least 1 billion bounty

for killing countless citzens
abducting countless (toys) people
abducting a king and forcing him to kill off his own people
Creating and mass selling artificial devil fruit
being an underworld king and selling shit that yonko actually need
fooling the entire world (with the resigning of war lord)
attacking a admrial

 

[chopstickchakra]

I wouldn't say 1st Commander level, but he's around there. Between Cracker only surviving G4 by hiding behind biscuit soldiers alongside being too slow to catch a fattened Luffy and Dog Tooth getting knocked on his head by a single G4 punch without Observation Haki, I'm inclined to say the only reason Katakuri and Cracker survived G4 was through gimmicky abilities. As in, abilities we're unlikely to see in other firstmates. Everything is saying that Doflamingo has better stats since, all without assistance of gimmicks, he either managed to dodge or tank G4 Luffy for so long, tanked Gamma, and then a Kong Gun.

Buut, the G2 & G4 Luffy that Doflamingo fought is likely weaker than the one Katakuri fought. Luffy has always progressed throughout fights and whatnot. And even if Doflamingo is better rounded, he still can't compete. Cracker is ridiculed for being unable to tank and saying that he doesn't like pain, but makes up for that with an iron defense through his DF. And then there's Katakuri who got KOed by Luffy despite having such insane haki coating him, but he has.. insane haki propping him up to 1st Commander.
Doflamingo just doesn't have any extreme abilities to keep up with those two. Besides, yknow, the thing that Oda made Doflamingo stick himself into when he would have won had he not. IF Doflamingo can make birdcage so hard, I think it's just plot restriction that he can't form individual strings as hard. Even a single string that hard could slice clean through Katakuri.

@ bold - I'm thinking the 1st mates are all gonna have some crazy "gimicky" edge. Marco has regenerative powers that you'd need stupid high haki and strength to even have a chance of doing damage let alone significant damage. Kata you covered. Kaidou's Jack was a Mammoth who could fight for days. I'm sure his #1's gonna be even more crazy. Ben, who knows with Shanks' crew, I wonder if people still think Lucky Roo has time stopping powers though or if we've moved on to accepting that as a simple speed feet from a yonkou crew mate against a low level bandit?

just want to comment on the influence thing... Umm no in terms of influence before his arrest Doffy had it in spades only second to people like mihawk and dragon
the guy is a former celstrial dragon
under world king
and king of a country that is important enough to hold a seat on the reverie..

as for doffy bounty against a katakuri's , doffy would have at the very least 1 billion bounty

for killing countless citzens
abducting countless (toys) people
abducting a king and forcing him to kill off his own people
Creating and mass selling artificial devil fruit
being an underworld king and selling shit that yonko actually need
fooling the entire world (with the resigning of war lord)
attacking a admrial

You left out blackmailed the WG for influence.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I wouldn't say 1st Commander level, but he's around there. Between Cracker only surviving G4 by hiding behind biscuit soldiers alongside being too slow to catch a fattened Luffy and Dog Tooth getting knocked on his head by a single G4 punch without Observation Haki, I'm inclined to say the only reason Katakuri and Cracker survived G4 was through gimmicky abilities. As in, abilities we're unlikely to see in other firstmates. Everything is saying that Doflamingo has better stats since, all without assistance of gimmicks, he either managed to dodge or tank G4 Luffy for so long, tanked Gamma, and then a Kong Gun.

Buut, the G2 & G4 Luffy that Doflamingo fought is likely weaker than the one Katakuri fought. Luffy has always progressed throughout fights and whatnot. And even if Doflamingo is better rounded, he still can't compete. Cracker is ridiculed for being unable to tank and saying that he doesn't like pain, but makes up for that with an iron defense through his DF. And then there's Katakuri who got KOed by Luffy despite having such insane haki coating him, but he has.. insane haki propping him up to 1st Commander.
Doflamingo just doesn't have any extreme abilities to keep up with those two. Besides, yknow, the thing that Oda made Doflamingo stick himself into when he would have won had he not. IF Doflamingo can make birdcage so hard, I think it's just plot restriction that he can't form individual strings as hard. Even a single string that hard could slice clean through Katakuri.

I know this is lazy but Punk Hazard kind of sums up my feelings against someone else

You have a severe lacking of the concept of a battle being determined by multiple facets. You point out that Katakuri has superior power to Doflamingo, being able to attack Gear Fourth with power that Doffy could not, and you're banking on this to mean that Katakuri defeats Doflamingo.

Yet, Katakuri lost to Luffy in spite of having far greater attack power than Luffy. Your argument is demonstrated to be faulty by the very fight you're trying to use to support it. You say that Luffy didn't resort to Snake Man against Doflamingo, but that's not the case. He COULDN'T use Snake Man against Doflamingo because Luffy needed something that was power-based over being speed-based.

That was the edge Boundman had on Doffy: Power, not speed. Luffy vs Katakuri was the opposite situation: He needed something that was speed-based, not power-based, because Katakuri would use future sight and his pseudo-Logia powers to dodge things that weren't fast enough.

Luffy won against Katakuri because he had the endurance to, despite Katakuri having overwhelming power. The same quality that led to Doflamingo beating Luffy despite Luffy having overwhelming power. At the end of the day, your argument falls apart because a fight isn't just determined by "Who hits harder?" Being superior enough in ONE stat, like Doffy is to Katakuri in endurance, is enough to sway a fight.

Also as for cracker I am sorry I see no way in hell Doffy loses... He has flight that alone puts a stop to cracker (until shown otherwise) and turning the enviorment into string all Doffy has to do is out smart cracker (which is not hard at all after 11 hours he failed to just attack nami who was the sole cause to his defeat) and find the real one .. In my head it would kind of be like Hisoka vs Gahto from HxH

Jack.. I do not see him winning at all. His fighting style with his fruit seems rather linar/one dimensional ( i could be wrong just need to wait to see) while he is a stamina beast idk what could he do to bring doffy out of the air (I mean once doffy see's poisoning he wouldnt just stand there). In my head its more so like a bull and his ring leader..


Doffy vs Katakuri honestly is very debatable to me the art style for both fights are so similar. Not to mention due to awakening sort of similar abilities and the stats they suck at (or do not use) the other excels at

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

@ bold - I'm thinking the 1st mates are all gonna have some crazy "gimicky" edge. Marco has regenerative powers that you'd need stupid high haki and strength to even have a chance of doing damage let alone significant damage. Kata you covered. Kaidou's Jack was a Mammoth who could fight for days. I'm sure his #1's gonna be even more crazy. Ben, who knows with Shanks' crew, I wonder if people still think Lucky Roo has time stopping powers though or if we've moved on to accepting that as a simple speed feet from a yonkou crew mate against a low level bandit?




You left out blackmailed the WG for influence.

He his exchange with Akoiji also gave him the feat of breaking out of akoiji's ice (something we have only seen white beard do)

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

just want to comment on the influence thing... Umm no in terms of influence before his arrest Doffy had it in spades only second to people like mihawk and dragon
the guy is a former celstrial dragon
under world king
and king of a country that is important enough to hold a seat on the reverie..

He had a high underworld title (certainly not king) but he was renowned in the underworld and he worked directly with Kaido so I give him probs for that because it is influential.
However being a celestial is not strength-wise influential, it just makes him very entitled and him being king is as valid as Boa Hancock being Princess.
His influence is not up there with Dragon or Mihawk because you're just reaching at this point and you're using your bias to cloud you judgment. We get it, you love Doflamingo...

But Mihawk upholds a title that most swordsmen are gunning for and his influence molded one of the main characters, Zoro. He stalemated with Shanks.
As for Dragon he is the most influential person of them all even more than my favs. He is the most wanted man in the world with headquarters all over the grandline. That's as influential as it gets so you know you're wrong for comparing Dofy to the likes of these guys.

as for doffy bounty against a katakuri's , doffy would have at the very least 1 billion bounty

:lol No he doesn't and he wouldn't. Dofy will never reach Dogtooth's level of bounty. At beast he can strive for 600million but in no way 1 billion, like wtf condemned you to say that? 1 billion is reserved for veteran top tier yonkou first mate commander level people. Even Luffy who beat Doflamingo should have no business gaining 1 billion bounty. He beat a billion bounty person unlike Dofy and he still doesn't deserve it. Please stop.

for killing countless citzens
abducting countless (toys) people
abducting a king and forcing him to kill off his own people
Creating and mass selling artificial devil fruit
being an underworld king and selling shit that yonko actually need
fooling the entire world (with the resigning of war lord)
attacking a admrial

I'm sure people like Jack has down way worse let alone Dogtooth who is supposedly worse according to his bounty but whatever it's all a speculation on my part.

-Him controlling a country and changing his title from warlord to not is all because of his royal bloodline. That's nothing to be proud of if you're implying that you're tough.
-Attacking an admiral means nothing. Luffy attacked an admiral, Crocodile, Jinbei, etc so why bring that up? Dofy attacked a greenhorn Issho because he's new, but when it came to the case of a veteran former admiral Kuzan, he walked away after getting one-shotted by him.
At least when Luffy attacked Issho he shoved him back into a wall/boulder, Issho didn't even take one step back.

So I get that Dofy is strong or whatever but he's not Dogtooth. He's there with Cracker, Smoothie, and Snack. And this is my honest non biased opinion on this matter. Cracker fought G4 luffy longer than Dofy did yet I'd still point them in the same ball park. Dogtooth is a different animal on a different tier level.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

And where in that post did I say that my reason for believing that Shiliew is the first mate is his division number?

Read what's underlined because you said that two first mates wouldn't wreck each other. You indirectly called Ben and Shiliew first mates on a yonkou ship you smartass.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Read what's underlined because you said that two first mates wouldn't wreck each other. You indirectly called Ben and Shiliew first mates on a yonkou ship you smartass.

Ok? Is first mate a synonym for 2nd division commander?

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

@ bold - I'm thinking the 1st mates are all gonna have some crazy "gimicky" edge. Marco has regenerative powers that you'd need stupid high haki and strength to even have a chance of doing damage let alone significant damage. Kata you covered. Kaidou's Jack was a Mammoth who could fight for days. I'm sure his #1's gonna be even more crazy. Ben, who knows with Shanks' crew, I wonder if people still think Lucky Roo has time stopping powers though or if we've moved on to accepting that as a simple speed feet from a yonkou crew mate against a low level bandit?




You left out blackmailed the WG for influence.

I think the same too. There's really no reason for it not to be a thing because it'd just cause an imbalance. Either way, Doflamingo will be outclassed by Commanders some way. Kaido's squad may just be brutes that are way past Doflamingo's level in attack, defense, and endurance.

I know this is lazy but Punk Hazard kind of sums up my feelings against someone else


Also as for cracker I am sorry I see no way in hell Doffy loses... He has flight that alone puts a stop to cracker (until shown otherwise) and turning the enviorment into string all Doffy has to do is out smart cracker (which is not hard at all after 11 hours he failed to just attack nami who was the sole cause to his defeat) and find the real one .. In my head it would kind of be like Hisoka vs Gahto from HxH

Jack.. I do not see him winning at all. His fighting style with his fruit seems rather linar/one dimensional ( i could be wrong just need to wait to see) while he is a stamina beast idk what could he do to bring doffy out of the air (I mean once doffy see's poisoning he wouldnt just stand there). In my head its more so like a bull and his ring leader..


Doffy vs Katakuri honestly is very debatable to me the art style for both fights are so similar. Not to mention due to awakening sort of similar abilities and the stats they suck at (or do not use) the other excels at

I lost a lengthier post earlier, so this one won't be too long. I put Cracker >> Doflamingo because of how well Cracker handled Luffy. I don't think flight guarantees Doflamingo a win. At best, it'll give Doflamingo an escape or stalemate. Doflamingo isn't clearing all of the biscuits, whether from afar or not, when G4 Luffy couldn't do so with rain. Not just that, anything short of awakening won't damage the biscuits. G4 Luffy's attacks could only destroy the shields when it's well ahead of any of Doflamingo's attacks aside from his finisher.

Crackers offense is good as well. He can effortlessly replicate the feat of Doflamingo's second best attack(Ever White) with biscuit men.

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And has slashed pass G4 Luffy's haki. Facts are, Doflamingo isn't winning in close combat against 20 guys capable of inuring G4 Luffy, and his only abilities that are capable of damaging the unending biscuits are his 2 strongest, which should be cost intensive. Strings may or not be able to gain control, but the biscuit men can grow additional limbs and cut them like Luffy popped them to transform.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

He had a high underworld title (certainly not king) but he was renowned in the underworld and he worked directly with Kaido so I give him probs for that because it is influential.
However being a celestial is not strength-wise influential, it just makes him very entitled and him being king is as valid as Boa Hancock being Princess.
His influence is not up there with Dragon or Mihawk because you're just reaching at this point and you're using your bias to cloud you judgment. We get it, you love Doflamingo...

But Mihawk upholds a title that most swordsmen are gunning for and his influence molded one of the main characters, Zoro. He stalemated with Shanks.
As for Dragon he is the most influential person of them all even more than my favs. He is the most wanted man in the world with headquarters all over the grandline. That's as influential as it gets so you know you're wrong for comparing Dofy to the likes of these guys.


:lol No he doesn't and he wouldn't. Dofy will never reach Dogtooth's level of bounty. At beast he can strive for 600million but in no way 1 billion, like wtf condemned you to say that? 1 billion is reserved for veteran top tier yonkou first mate commander level people. Even Luffy who beat Doflamingo should have no business gaining 1 billion bounty. He beat a billion bounty person unlike Dofy and he still doesn't deserve it. Please stop.

I'm sure people like Jack has down way worse let alone Dogtooth who is supposedly worse according to his bounty but whatever it's all a speculation on my part.

-Him controlling a country and changing his title from warlord to not is all because of his royal bloodline. That's nothing to be proud of if you're implying that you're tough.
-Attacking an admiral means nothing. Luffy attacked an admiral, Crocodile, Jinbei, etc so why bring that up? Dofy attacked a greenhorn Issho because he's new, but when it came to the case of a veteran former admiral Kuzan, he walked away after getting one-shotted by him.
At least when Luffy attacked Issho he shoved him back into a wall/boulder, Issho didn't even take one step back.

So I get that Dofy is strong or whatever but he's not Dogtooth. He's there with Cracker, Smoothie, and Snack. And this is my honest non biased opinion on this matter. Cracker fought G4 luffy longer than Dofy did yet I'd still point them in the same ball park. Dogtooth is a different animal on a different tier level.

OK This is my last post to you (on sole fact that our opinions differ so much that we cannot really come to consise agreement)

Luffy jinbe and croc attacking an admiral have all ben situational, luffy trying to get to ace, croc trying to save luffy (same with jinbe). What makes Doffy's more interesting is that it was just two of them alone. What ever doffy had in his kingdom he felt confiedent enough to attack fuji and not get any reprecussions. also this is shortly after doffy's run in with former admiral akoiji.
Luffy's bounty has increased so much on things that he is currenlty doing in the moment Doffy is different. His bounty was frozen years ago and now everything that he has done has come to light. if luffy bounty increases that drastically ( I mean for each time it increased over immature squirmishes how in the world do you not think that doffy's now unfrozen bounty wouldnt increase drastically. I mean Jinbe got a 200 mill bounty increase just for leaving the warlords. Doffy was forced to and not only that he lied to the entire world munipulating the news saying that he left as well.

about the broker thing; It was literally stated that he was the best underworld broker ( yes i know I used king but king symbolizes same thing. The top of something or best)
Thats the thing it wasnt just kaido big mom wanted cesar as well and she knew of him also at her party the first to arrive was the brokers. in his speech he talks about keeping everyone (assuming big mom kaido potentially blackbeard and dragon) at bay with his handlings.
Doflamingo's reach exceeds way farther then mihawk (maybe not dragon. Dragon himself is not known however his title is. Mihawk is the same luffy until meeting zoro had no idea who mihawk was ( or anyone from the north blue for that matter except for sanji's mentor). It was zoro's obsession/reaction that brought mihawk first appearnce

This was something he was doing for more then 10x years while munipulating the world government/navy into letting him be a warlord.
Doflamingo has been murdering and abucting people for over a decade strong (we do not know who else was kept as dolls because of sugar). He blantly attacked Fujitora. And has been munipulating a kingdom for a decade plus. He literally made it so he was untouchable (until law and luffy decided to team up against him)

his royal blood def would give something to his bounty at the very least it may just be only alive similar to sanji. If you do not think royal linage is not important idk what else to tell you. As for actual bounty do you hear yourself. ibill is only for first commanders.. well witht hat being said Jack is kaido first mate guys lol or did you forget the first 1billion bounty was his.

listen regardless whether you like it or not doflamingo's influence> that of katakuri's. Because doffy has actually done things. Yes katakuri has never been defeated (until luffy) however who has he fought for this feat.. because all i see is a undefeated character that got introduced only to be defeated.... The reason why that statement holds no value to it because there is no one to put in that feat. Tech before luffy and law doffy had not been defeated either the same can be said for mihawk or kuma shanks or any of the people in one piece.
this statement of "undefeated" and in his first showing is defeated is not really that note worthy especially considering how yonko role (the whole crew is there). Take miahwks feat of clashing with shanks (while we do not know when this took place) we can assume mihawk is at an extremely high level to casually spar one of the current yonko. who has katakuri defeated to give him the title undefeated?

as far as abilities I believe it is debatable however katakuri being overal stronger of the two

Doflamingo also had vergo who was under him infliltrate the marines rising really high

The man also figured out how create (through cesar who is under his jolly roger) and mass sell (himself) artifical devilfruits. that in itself is insane the endless possibilities. I cannot wait to see kaido's army because of that.


Jinbe bounty was 76 mill starting off, when he started getting vocal and left the warlords (around time captured) skyrocketed to 400 mill
so that is a 300mill + increase for just following his beliefs. Doffy has done so much that his bount wouldnt be 600 mill far from it as I stated before it would be at least over a billion.
Hell Munipulating the world nobles and stealing a shit ton of money alone maybe would bring his bounty to that. IN the real world thats like trying to robbing Queen Elizabeth what do you think the UK's imprisionment system would do to someone that did that? Especially if that same someone used the money to upstart his career and become king of a country.

This is why I like Doflamingo he is way more than just a pirate more importantly he is self-made.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I think the same too. There's really no reason for it not to be a thing because it'd just cause an imbalance. Either way, Doflamingo will be outclassed by Commanders some way. Kaido's squad may just be brutes that are way past Doflamingo's level in attack, defense, and endurance.



I lost a lengthier post earlier, so this one won't be too long. I put Cracker >> Doflamingo because of how well Cracker handled Luffy. I don't think flight guarantees Doflamingo a win. At best, it'll give Doflamingo an escape or stalemate. Doflamingo isn't clearing all of the biscuits, whether from afar or not, when G4 Luffy couldn't do so with rain. Not just that, anything short of awakening won't damage the biscuits. G4 Luffy's attacks could only destroy the shields when it's well ahead of any of Doflamingo's attacks aside from his finisher.

Crackers offense is good as well. He can effortlessly replicate the feat of Doflamingo's second best attack(Ever White) with biscuit men.

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And has slashed pass G4 Luffy's haki. Facts are, Doflamingo isn't winning in close combat against 20 guys capable of inuring G4 Luffy, and his only abilities that are capable of damaging the unending biscuits are his 2 strongest, which should be cost intensive. Strings may or not be able to gain control, but the biscuit men can grow additional limbs and cut them like Luffy popped them to transform.

lol why does it have to be close combat... overal bushido haki cracker > doffy luffy stated that however what about flight. taking over the biscuits via parasite bird cage awakenining etc all of this plays a factor and until cracker shows some flying cracker men I do not see him touching doffy. And with his poor intellect showing (of failing to attack nami for 11 hours straight) I believe doffy would find cracker before cracker can get him out of the sky. Oh not to mention the clone because we seen how luffy was able to draw out cracker due to being impatnient. With a clone running around its a lot to deal with

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Ok? Is first mate a synonym for 2nd division commander?

It is for the “second strongest” given the context of Blackbeard’s crew.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It is for the “second strongest” given the context of Blackbeard’s crew.

lmao what

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Ok? Is first mate a synonym for 2nd division commander?

Marco is the first divsion commander/first mate (wb is the only one who has commanders btw)

 

[Big Mom]

Marco is the first divsion commander/first mate (wb is the only one who has commanders btw)

Big mom's sweet commanders are commanders lol

 

[Carpchonay]

Coming from the idiot that thinks Shiliew is the second strongest just because he's the 2nd division commander?
Congrats dumbass.

So you mean to tell me that you cant see the foreshadowing that he is the second strongest since, hmmmm.... I don't know... Maybe he's gonna fight Zoro in the future since they are both, ya know... SWORDSMEN! I bet you think Burgess is the second strongest of the BB crew. Hahahaha! JUST LIKE YOU THINK NAGATO AND OBITO CAN BEAT HASHIRAMA HAHAHAHAHAHAH

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

So you mean to tell me that you cant see the foreshadowing that he is the second strongest since, hmmmm.... I don't know... Maybe he's gonna fight Zoro in the future since they are both, ya know... SWORDSMEN! I bet you think Burgess is the second strongest of the BB crew.

You do realize that you're the only one wasting time with your stupid speculations? All you proved is that you watch the anime therefore you force your stupid little theory on everyone.
Look at the Dressrosa arc. Zoro didn't fight Diamante the swordsmen of the crew, so keep making yourself look stupid yelling in all caps.
Kuzan is the second strongest of the crew so again, stupid assumption.

Hahahaha! JUST LIKE YOU THINK NAGATO AND OBITO CAN BEAT HASHIRAMA HAHAHAHAHAHAH

You're an idiot if you think he wins and wrong section scrub.

 

[Punk Hazard]

You do realize that you're the only one wasting time with your stupid speculations? All you proved is that you watch the anime therefore you force your stupid little theory on everyone.
Look at the Dressrosa arc. Zoro didn't fight Diamante the swordsmen of the crew, so keep making yourself look stupid yelling in all caps.
Kuzan is the second strongest of the crew so again, stupid assumption.


You're an idiot if you think he wins and wrong section scrub.

But...Pica was a swordsman....so looking at Dressrosa supports his point