[Discussion] The "Relic" that is Doflamingo (power discussion)

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Except Luffy didn't push Katakuri at all until the end of the fight. At no point before that did Luffy actually contend with Katakuri power-wise save a brief moment when he went G4.

You mention Doffy can't win without Luffy's Observation Haki, but at no point was it demonstrated that that foresight actually helped Luffy at all during the fight as opposed to regular Observation Haki. Especially since Luffy was dodging Katakuri's attacks before he started seeing the future.

Doflamingo has enough power and speed to keep G4 at bay for 20 minutes and react to it. Katakuri has a higher chance of winning, but Doflamingo still has a chance due to having the same quality that allowed Luffy to win: High endurance. This is plus the fact that Doflamingo is in all likelihood stronger than Luffy, so he should be able to capitalize on this.

@Bold, and Katakuri could survive an entire period of G4, actually attack it, and consistently avoid hits with his Observation.
I'll give it to you that Luffy could dodge Katakuri's attacks back to back well before he gained advanced Observation, but that good execution still can't be said for his attacking. Not that I think Luffy's dodging was actually a thing he could do with all of Katakuri's typical attacks. It seems that Luffy was only dodging the trident consistently. Anything else pummeled him before his haki improved.

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I get that Luffy only needed to push Katakuri a little compared to what Doflamingo took, but I don't think Doflamingo is going to be pushing Katakuri at all is what I'm getting at. What put Katakuri down was ultimately a punch from G4 after taking multiple opposed to him just getting tired. As long Doflamingo can't damage Katakuri, he isn't winning.

 

[Punk Hazard]

@Bold, and Katakuri could survive an entire period of G4, actually attack it, and consistently avoid hits with his Observation.

And Doffy doing this for 20 minutes was just manga filler? Try to remember that Doflamingo with organs busted up by Law was able to keep Luffy away for 20 minutes and outlast G4.

I'll give it to you that Luffy could dodge Katakuri's attacks back to back well before he gained advanced Observation, but that good execution still can't be said for his attacking.

For a MAJORITY of that fight, Luffy wasn't getting any hits in though.

I get that Luffy only needed to push Katakuri a little compared to what Doflamingo took, but I don't think Doflamingo is going to be pushing Katakuri at all is what I'm getting at.

A weakened Doffy displayed enough power to contend with Luffy, but a fully healthy and powered Doffy is gonna do WORSE than Luffy did against Katakuri? Nope.

What put Katakuri down was ultimately a punch from G4 after taking multiple opposed to him just getting tired. As long Doflamingo can't damage Katakuri, he isn't winning.

Doflamingo is absolutely capable of damaging Katakuri if Luffy was able to.

 

[Big Mom]

And Doffy doing this for 20 minutes was just manga filler? Try to remember that Doflamingo with organs busted up by Law was able to keep Luffy away for 20 minutes and outlast G4.


For a MAJORITY of that fight, Luffy wasn't getting any hits in though.


A weakened Doffy displayed enough power to contend with Luffy, but a fully healthy and powered Doffy is gonna do WORSE than Luffy did against Katakuri? Nope.



Doflamingo is absolutely capable of damaging Katakuri if Luffy was able to.

Doffy cant beat kata, you can come up with 100 ways doffy could win.. But in one piece, going by oda, doffy can't and wouldn't win, it would be close, if doffy was fresh, but he doesn't have the durability luffy does, and with that being said, he isn't lasting long enough to make kata not calm, and as long as kata is calm doffy isn't hitting him

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

And Doffy doing this for 20 minutes was just manga filler? Try to remember that Doflamingo with organs busted up by Law was able to keep Luffy away for 20 minutes and outlast G4.


For a MAJORITY of that fight, Luffy wasn't getting any hits in though.


A weakened Doffy displayed enough power to contend with Luffy, but a fully healthy and powered Doffy is gonna do WORSE than Luffy did against Katakuri? Nope.



Doflamingo is absolutely capable of damaging Katakuri if Luffy was able to.

Luffy was only able to damage Katakuri because of his improved haki and Snake Man. Doflamingo isn't touching Katakuri at all. I mean literally. Not a single hit unless he can work Katakuri's nerves.

 

[Big Mom]

Luffy was only able to damage Katakuri because of his improved haki and Snake Man. Doflamingo isn't touching Katakuri at all. I mean literally. Not a single hit unless he can work Katakuri's nerves.

Luffy worked katas nerves by eating his mochi.. And kata thinking the match was over, so luffy caught him by surprise.

In doffies case, he wouldn't eat the mochi and the match really would've been over.

Doffy isn't hitting kata once, or working his nerves

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy was only able to damage Katakuri because of his improved haki and Snake Man. Doflamingo isn't touching Katakuri at all. I mean literally. Not a single hit unless he can work Katakuri's nerves.

Wrong since Luffy was able to damage Katakuri for a brief moment before using Snake Man and the future sight never visibly had an actual impact on the outcome of the fight. Luffy beat Katakuri because he was able to withstand Katakuri's beating and struck the wound. Considering that Doff is likely stronger than Luffy, he wouldn't need the wound to do the same thing.

Doffy cant beat kata, you can come up with 100 ways doffy could win.. But in one piece, going by oda, doffy can't and wouldn't win, it would be close, if doffy was fresh, but he doesn't have the durability luffy does, and with that being said, he isn't lasting long enough to make kata not calm, and as long as kata is calm doffy isn't hitting him

Doffy got his organs busted by Law and took a beating from G4 and was still up and running with his Awakening out. He absolutely has just as much durability, if not more than, as Luffy.

Luffy worked katas nerves by eating his mochi.. And kata thinking the match was over, so luffy caught him by surprise.

In doffies case, he wouldn't eat the mochi and the match really would've been over.

Doffy isn't hitting kata once, or working his nerves

Kata's nerves got worked on because Luffy was able to take his attacks and keep getting up. Same thing's gonna happen to Doffy. He doesn't have to eat the Mochi when his Awakening can slice through it or turn the Mochi into strings.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Wrong since Luffy was able to damage Katakuri for a brief moment before using Snake Man and the future sight never visibly had an actual impact on the outcome of the fight. Luffy beat Katakuri because he was able to withstand Katakuri's beating and struck the wound. Considering that Doff is likely stronger than Luffy, he wouldn't need the wound to do the same thing.


Doffy got his organs busted by Law and took a beating from G4 and was still up and running with his Awakening out. He absolutely has just as much durability, if not more than, as Luffy.


Kata's nerves got worked on because Luffy was able to take his attacks and keep getting up. Same thing's gonna happen to Doffy. He doesn't have to eat the Mochi when his Awakening can slice through it or turn the Mochi into strings.

Luffy had already improved his haki by the time he used Snake Man. Luffy had literally gotten zero hits on Kata before his haki improved(ignoring Kata losing his calm), so it's pretty ridiculous for you to say it had no visible impact. You've hyped up Doffy's endurance and haven't really said much of Katakuri, but it feels like you're kinda downplaying him. Here's the panel that's literally just before the one where Luffy enters Snake Man.

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Then here's where they fall.

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37 mins worth of Snake Man(Brawling opposed to likely running like Doffy), and a full Gear 4th session that he came out of unharmed.
Panel just after Luffy improved his Observation and became capable of attacking Dogtooth.

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10:10 - 12:05
He actually fought Luffy for 2ish hours before Snake Man, ignoring all the one sided fighting he'd done in the past hours.
The guy even tore a chunk out of himself, so it's not like he was doing everything in peak shape himself. If Katakuri is less of a tank than Luffy or Doflamingo, it reasons to say that the chunk took much, much more steam out of him than Luffy.

Doflamingo isn't winning without striking a wound.

 

[Big Mom]

Wrong since Luffy was able to damage Katakuri for a brief moment before using Snake Man and the future sight never visibly had an actual impact on the outcome of the fight. Luffy beat Katakuri because he was able to withstand Katakuri's beating and struck the wound. Considering that Doff is likely stronger than Luffy, he wouldn't need the wound to do the same thing.


Doffy got his organs busted by Law and took a beating from G4 and was still up and running with his Awakening out. He absolutely has just as much durability, if not more than, as Luffy.


Kata's nerves got worked on because Luffy was able to take his attacks and keep getting up. Same thing's gonna happen to Doffy. He doesn't have to eat the Mochi when his Awakening can slice through it or turn the Mochi into strings.

Nah, almost no one has as much durability as luffy after this fight. Did you not just read the same Manga as me? And llf doffy couldn't scratch katas strength mochi. Kata got worked by luffy seeing his mouth, again did you not read the same Manga as me? If anything, luffy kept getting up made kata happier, and kata even stated luffy observation haki was getting better.

No matter what you say, they are close to the same tier but

Doffy isn't hitting katakuri
Doffy isn't gonna see his mouth
Doffy isn't gonna keep getting up as many times as luffy did
Doffy isn't winning

 

[LBeezy]

It's 2018 and some people still want to act like Doflamingo is stronger than Luffy?

Lmao gtfo

 

[SixPathsMike101]

It looks like, from the speech, that he was the one controlling everything so no one will start to attack each other, but when is capture, then all what he was controlling comes down therefore everyone would go on rampage to sit on the throne.

He is a great character, I believe he is very strong and stronger than Katakuri in muy opinion.

Katakuri fodderized G4 which doffy probably would have been hurt by even at full health.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

It's 2018 and some people still want to act like Doflamingo is stronger than Luffy?

Lmao gtfo

You know how idiotic that fanboy can be. He compares 20 minutes of getting thrown by G4 to basically a whole evenings worth of fighting against Dogtooth.
Gives the typical “Dofy” had ruptured organs excuse despite the fact that he stitched them together, but to make matters worse Dogtooth also damaged his organs too when he stabbed himself to make the Plainfield even with Luffyand that still didn’t deter his powers/ability (luffy’s internal organs were damaged too).

And Dofy wasn’t strong enough to see his Snake man transformation yet he thinks Dofy is stronger than Luffy?

Snake man is a transformation he created back in the island pre timeskip with Rayleigh. He spent a year more training on his Haki before reaching Sabody island. How can anyone say that Dofy>Luffy? :lol

 

[Passerby]

Katakuri fodderized G4 which doffy probably would have been hurt by even at full health.

Even Cracker was at one point superior to G4 Luffy. Doffys time is up.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Luffy had already improved his haki by the time he used Snake Man. Luffy had literally gotten zero hits on Kata before his haki improved(ignoring Kata losing his calm)

"Luffy got zero hits on Katakuri before he got Haki, if you ignore when the opposite of what I said happened actually happened"

so it's pretty ridiculous for you to say it had no visible impact.

Except it didn't. Snake Man worked on Katakuri because of the self-inflicted wound and because Snake Man was fast enough to catch him off-guard. At no point is it shown that Luffy was able to hit Katakuri because he could see the future.

You've hyped up Doffy's endurance and haven't really said much of Katakuri, but it feels like you're kinda downplaying him. Here's the panel that's literally just before the one where Luffy enters Snake Man.

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Then here's where they fall.

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37 mins worth of Snake Man(Brawling opposed to likely running like Doffy), and a full Gear 4th session that he came out of unharmed.

I'm not ignoring Katakuri's endurance at all. Katakuri has shown that endurance is not his strong suit. Only a few attacks by Luffy were able to put him down, and none of them were on the level of King Kong Gun, which was needed after Doffy took heavier hits than Katakuri AND his organs busted up by Gamma Knife.

10:10 - 12:05
He actually fought Luffy for 2ish hours before Snake Man, ignoring all the one sided fighting he'd done in the past hours.
The guy even tore a chunk out of himself, so it's not like he was doing everything in peak shape himself. If Katakuri is less of a tank than Luffy or Doflamingo, it reasons to say that the chunk took much, much more steam out of him than Luffy.

Doflamingo isn't winning without striking a wound.

The chunk absolutely took more steam out of him than it did Luffy, which is one example of Katakuri having less endurance than Luffy does. Like I said before, a majority of that fight was Katakuri pummeling Luffy and being unable to finish him off with Luffy only getting in hits for a small portion of the total fight(when Katakuri's Haki failed due to stress, and when Luffy used the speed-based Snake Man to catch him off-guard).

Nah, almost no one has as much durability as luffy after this fight. Did you not just read the same Manga as me?

Except Doflamingo has shown to be able to take serious damage just like Luffy did during this fight.

And llf doffy couldn't scratch katas strength mochi.

The same way Luffy couldn't scratch it either, and still won in the end? All you've been doing is saying "Katakuri has more brute force than Doffy." He had more brute force than Luffy too.

Kata got worked by luffy seeing his mouth, again did you not read the same Manga as me? If anything, luffy kept getting up made kata happier, and kata even stated luffy observation haki was getting better.

Katakuri said in the beginning of the fight that he was getting stressed because he was realizing Luffy would be hard to put down. Katakuri was going to end up flustered and stressed out regardless of Luffy seeing his mouth because of the fact that Luffy was taking his beatings and still getting up. It wasn't until the end of the fight that Katakuri came to terms with Luffy being that strong that it stopped stressing him out.

If Katakuri goes into this expecting to defeat Doffy, which he probably would, and Doffy is able to dodge and fend off his hits like Luffy did, he's gonna end up stressed out, as per Katakuri's own words.

You know how idiotic that fanboy can be. He compares 20 minutes of getting thrown by G4 to basically a whole evenings worth of fighting against Dogtooth.

Ignoring all kinds of context here, but go on.

Gives the typical “Dofy” had ruptured organs excuse despite the fact that he stitched them together

Doflamingo himself said that him stitching together his organs didn't heal them, and he was visibly weaker after the Gamma Knife than he was before.

but to make matters worse Dogtooth also damaged his organs too when he stabbed himself to make the Plainfield even with Luffyand that still didn’t deter his powers/ability (luffy’s internal organs were damaged too).

Neither of them had damaged internal organs. Katakuri and Luffy had the sides of the outside of their abdomens damaged. Your organs are centered in your body, you're not gonna hit any of them by striking the outside of the bottom of your abdomen. Doflamingo had his organs directly targeted, actually busted up, and multiple of them were struck. His injury was far worse than the trident stab.

And Dofy wasn’t strong enough to see his Snake man transformation yet he thinks Dofy is stronger than Luffy?

This would be a solid argument if Snake Man was stronger than Bound Man. Luffy didn't use Snake Man because it was stronger than Bound Man or Tank Man, he used it because he needed speed to get past Katakuri's abilities. Snake Man would be inadequate against Doflamingo because Luffy needed power over speed to beat him, the same way Boundman was inadequate against Katakuri.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Ignoring all kinds of context here, but go on.

He got smacked around, tf is there to complain about? All his attacks were useless against G4 and his awakening was able able to keep him away momentarily before getting smacked into a hill.

Doflamingo himself said that him stitching together his organs didn't heal them, and he was visibly weaker after the Gamma Knife than he was before.

That's a horrible excuse. Neither Luffy or Dogtooth healed when they had their digestive organs stabbed bleeding and still preforming in the highest level with no complaints. Zoro, Luffy and many others pre timskip had a hole put into their bodies yet still got the job done, so if a internal knife stab is what weakens him that much then he's pathetic. I never said that he healed it but he still stitched it up to prevent himself from bleeding out internal so there should not be any excuse.

Neither of them had damaged internal organs. Katakuri and Luffy had the sides of the outside of their abdomens damaged. Your organs are centered in your body, you're not gonna hit any of them by striking the outside of the bottom of your abdomen. Doflamingo had his organs directly targeted, actually busted up, and multiple of them were struck. His injury was far worse than the trident stab.

Drop the bullshit Riker, Luffy and Dogtooth had their intestines blown out and any further away from the center would mean that their kidneys would be blown out as well. The Large intestines are still outlined from the mid section of the body while dead in the middle is where the small intestines are all jammed together.

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To make matters worse, both Luffy and Dogtooth were fighting with internal bleeding while Doflamingo didn't

This would be a solid argument if Snake Man was stronger than Bound Man. Luffy didn't use Snake Man because it was stronger than Bound Man or Tank Man, he used it because he needed speed to get past Katakuri's abilities. Snake Man would be inadequate against Doflamingo because Luffy needed power over speed to beat him, the same way Boundman was inadequate against Katakuri.

Snake man is not be inadequate for Doflamingo because Luffy did not say that Snake man is weaker than Boundman in strength only speed. So Snakeman would just end the fight faster than 20 minutes to 10 minutes if anything. Snake man> Doflamingo and you'd be an idiot to think otherwise.

 

[Punk Hazard]

He got smacked around, tf is there to complain about? All his attacks were useless against G4 and his awakening was able able to keep him away momentarily before getting smacked into a hill.

Ignoring that Luffy spent time in the Katakuri fight running away. Ignoring that Doflamingo was indeed weakened when he went up against G4. Ignoring that Luffy spent more time being pressed by Awakening than he did actually hitting Doflamingo with any G4 techniques. Ignoring that after that time, Doflamingo was able to keep fighting and Luffy still needed additional help to win with that. Ignoring that we've never seen Doflamingo at full power.

That's a horrible excuse. Neither Luffy or Dogtooth healed when they had their digestive organs stabbed bleeding

Neither of them had any organs damaged.

and still preforming in the highest level with no complaints. Zoro, Luffy and many others pre timskip had a hole put into their bodies yet still got the job done, so if a internal knife stab is what weakens him that much then he's pathetic.

Except none of those characters had their organs damaged. The only characters who had their organs damaged like Doflamingo did were Ace and Whitebeard, and BOTH of them died as a result of those injuries, so trying to use that benchmark hurts your argument. It's been shown multiple times that direct organ damage means death. From Law's statement as he stabbed Doflamingo, to Perospero noting that poison would work on the super-durable-can't-be-scratched-Big Mom, to Ace noting that Akainu damaging his organs means he's done for to Monet's heart being stabbed to Whitebeard succumbing to his organ-damaging injuries in the war. Direct damage to the organs has been portrayed in OP to be a lot more drastic than normal injuries.

I never said that he healed it but he still stitched it up to prevent himself from bleeding out internal so there should not be any excuse.

All that does is stop bleeding. The organs are STILL damaged. The pain is STILL there.

Drop the bullshit Riker, Luffy and Dogtooth had their intestines blown out and any further away from the center would mean that their kidneys would be blown out as well. The Large intestines are still outlined from the mid section of the body while dead in the middle is where the small intestines are all jammed together.

Nope. The body has cavities in between muscle, skin, and the organs.

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You can hit the side of the abdomen without hitting organs. In OP, it is shown that organ damage means death if it isn't circumvented by some special means like Doffy pulling his organs back together, something Katakuri and Luffy don't have. If either of them had organ damage, they'd be dead.

Snake man is not be inadequate for Doflamingo because Luffy did not say that Snake man is weaker than Boundman in strength only speed. So Snakeman would just end the fight faster than 20 minutes to 10 minutes if anything. Snake man> Doflamingo and you'd be an idiot to think otherwise.

It was noted during the fight with Doflamingo that Luffy's problem was having speed, and lacking power. Boundman was used because he needed speed to be able to hit Doffy and power to actually get past his endurance. Snake Man would be useless because it wouldn't have the power to get past Doffy's endurance. Boundman was useless against Katakuri because even though it had power, he could dodge and get around it to punch him off. That's it.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Ignoring that Luffy spent time in the Katakuri fight running away. Ignoring that Doflamingo was indeed weakened when he went up against G4. Ignoring that Luffy spent more time being pressed by Awakening than he did actually hitting Doflamingo with any G4 techniques. Ignoring that after that time, Doflamingo was able to keep fighting and Luffy still needed additional help to win with that. Ignoring that we've never seen Doflamingo at full power.



Neither of them had any organs damaged.


Except none of those characters had their organs damaged. The only characters who had their organs damaged like Doflamingo did were Ace and Whitebeard, and BOTH of them died as a result of those injuries, so trying to use that benchmark hurts your argument. It's been shown multiple times that direct organ damage means death. From Law's statement as he stabbed Doflamingo, to Perospero noting that poison would work on the super-durable-can't-be-scratched-Big Mom, to Ace noting that Akainu damaging his organs means he's done for to Monet's heart being stabbed to Whitebeard succumbing to his organ-damaging injuries in the war. Direct damage to the organs has been portrayed in OP to be a lot more drastic than normal injuries.


All that does is stop bleeding. The organs are STILL damaged. The pain is STILL there.


Nope. The body has cavities in between muscle, skin, and the organs.

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You can hit the side of the abdomen without hitting organs. In OP, it is shown that organ damage means death if it isn't circumvented by some special means like Doffy pulling his organs back together, something Katakuri and Luffy don't have. If either of them had organ damage, they'd be dead.


It was noted during the fight with Doflamingo that Luffy's problem was having speed, and lacking power. Boundman was used because he needed speed to be able to hit Doffy and power to actually get past his endurance. Snake Man would be useless because it wouldn't have the power to get past Doffy's endurance. Boundman was useless against Katakuri because even though it had power, he could dodge and get around it to punch him off. That's it.

Let's say for sake of argument Kata damaged an organ stabbing himself. If Doffy was able to use his fruit to repair his organs why wouldn't Kata be able to use sticky mochi to stick them back together like glue?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Let's say for sake of argument Kata damaged an organ stabbing himself. If Doffy was able to use his fruit to repair his organs why wouldn't Kata be able to use sticky mochi to stick them back together like glue?

Are you asking if he'd do that in a fight with Doffy? Because I don't think he'd need such a wound to be made to have his odds of winning.

Are you asking how we know Katakuri didn't do that in his actual fight with Luffy? Because that would defeat the point of stabbing himself in the first place

 

[chopstickchakra]

Are you asking if he'd do that in a fight with Doffy? Because I don't think he'd need such a wound to be made to have his odds of winning.

Are you asking how we know Katakuri didn't do that in his actual fight with Luffy? Because that would defeat the point of stabbing himself in the first place

I was asking in regards to this point; In OP, it is shown that organ damage means death if it isn't circumvented by some special means like Doffy pulling his organs back together, something Katakuri and Luffy don't have.

I was just curious why you think Kata wouldn't have some special means via his sticky mochi like Doffy did. And in regards to in a Kata figth with Doffy I don't think he would do it to "even the odds" either but if it happened, say Doffy managed to puncture an organ, it seems as if he'd have a means to patch it similar to how Doffy did.

Nevermind, I didn't realize that was in reply to a post about where organs are in a body I thought it was a blanket statement about taking organ damage in OP.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Ignoring that Luffy spent time in the Katakuri fight running away. Ignoring that Doflamingo was indeed weakened when he went up against G4. Ignoring that Luffy spent more time being pressed by Awakening than he did actually hitting Doflamingo with any G4 techniques. Ignoring that after that time, Doflamingo was able to keep fighting and Luffy still needed additional help to win with that. Ignoring that we've never seen Doflamingo at full power.



Neither of them had any organs damaged.


Except none of those characters had their organs damaged. The only characters who had their organs damaged like Doflamingo did were Ace and Whitebeard, and BOTH of them died as a result of those injuries, so trying to use that benchmark hurts your argument. It's been shown multiple times that direct organ damage means death. From Law's statement as he stabbed Doflamingo, to Perospero noting that poison would work on the super-durable-can't-be-scratched-Big Mom, to Ace noting that Akainu damaging his organs means he's done for to Monet's heart being stabbed to Whitebeard succumbing to his organ-damaging injuries in the war. Direct damage to the organs has been portrayed in OP to be a lot more drastic than normal injuries.


All that does is stop bleeding. The organs are STILL damaged. The pain is STILL there.


Nope. The body has cavities in between muscle, skin, and the organs.

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You can hit the side of the abdomen without hitting organs. In OP, it is shown that organ damage means death if it isn't circumvented by some special means like Doffy pulling his organs back together, something Katakuri and Luffy don't have. If either of them had organ damage, they'd be dead.


It was noted during the fight with Doflamingo that Luffy's problem was having speed, and lacking power. Boundman was used because he needed speed to be able to hit Doffy and power to actually get past his endurance. Snake Man would be useless because it wouldn't have the power to get past Doffy's endurance. Boundman was useless against Katakuri because even though it had power, he could dodge and get around it to punch him off. That's it.

Everything here is wrong and it would take precious time dissecting every sentence to the last paragraph of what's wrong with your statement. So I'll just point out the ones that need serious reforming so that I can move on.

1. Dogtooth and Luffy did have their intestinal organs damaged whether you like to believe it or not. Dogtooth's Mochi spear penetrated right through the left abdominal area hitting the large intestine/colon. That's not up for debate, you can clearly see the 3 heads of the trident on the other side of both their bodies.
Even if you were to move it even further to the outside of the body, not only would the pole not be stuck inside of their body (Dogtooth), it will make contact with the kidneys poisoning their bodies and or shutting down their mobility to walk.

So you pick your poison here. You either rely on your fanfic which still damages a more important organ that requires immediate care than the other or you stick to the canon of it actually hitting the larger intestine.

2. Doflamingo's organs were no longer damaged. Law said that Dofy's organs were ruptured, that means it was split/crack not completely destroyed. For him to sow back his split organs means that he is completely intact, otherwise he would've had internal bleeding like Luffy and Dogtooth did during his fight. But he didn't.
So having pain is not an excuse because if it is then let him take notes from Zoro about the real definition of pain since he's too much of a bitch to handle 2-3 attacks from Law.

3. Snakeman being any less powerful than Boundman is a stupid speculation on your part and you have absolutely nothing in the manga that specifically states that Snakeman is weaker than Boundman.
I don't care about what you think, I don't care what YOU feel is implied, and I don't care what fellow Doflamingo fan who follows everything you have to say in regards to Snakeman being weaker than Boundman. All I care about is what's factual and Luffy said that Snakeman increased his speeds to be faster than Boundman, that's it. He said nothing about decrease in power.

4. Dogtooth's Power Mochi beat up Boundman while Doflamingo got pounded by Boundman. So there is no arguing. Dogtooth>>>>Doflamingo and you're foolish to think otherwise. He's Shichibaku level so at best he's right behind Cracker in strength because even Cracker was able to penetrate G4's armament while Dofy did not. Make a case for Cracker first before attempting Dogtooth. Cracker fought G4 minus a few 10 miutine interval for at least 11 hours. Dofy lasted somewhere around 30 minutes in total (the +10 is from the interval).

 

[Punk Hazard]

Everything here is wrong and it would take precious time dissecting every sentence to the last paragraph of what's wrong with your statement. So I'll just point out the ones that need serious reforming so that I can move on.

1. Dogtooth and Luffy did have their intestinal organs damaged whether you like to believe it or not. Dogtooth's Mochi spear penetrated right through the left abdominal area hitting the large intestine/colon. That's not up for debate

Then prove it. I've proven why their organs couldn't have been damaged using the manga; go ahead and post proof showing their organs were damaged.

you can clearly see the 3 heads of the trident on the other side of both their bodies.

Yeah, that's gonna happen when you drive the side trident against the side of their body. You can even see when Katakuri stabs himself that the third prong of the trident didn't even touch his body, and you could even argue the second didn't either and just got blood splatter on it.

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Even if you were to move it even further to the outside of the body, not only would the pole not be stuck inside of their body (Dogtooth), it will make contact with the kidneys poisoning their bodies and or shutting down their mobility to walk.

1. I like how you say their kidneys would be struck, causing them to lose their ability to walk, yet that didn't happen, showing that their kidneys weren't struck by your own logic.

2. The kidneys are higher than the spot where Katakuri and Luffy were hit.

So you pick your poison here. You either rely on your fanfic which still damages a more important organ that requires immediate care than the other or you stick to the canon of it actually hitting the larger intestine.

The actual answer is neither because, like the intestines, the kidneys are deeper than the wound, higher than the wound, and be damage impossible for either of them to survive.

2. Doflamingo's organs were no longer damaged.

If Doflamingo said they were NOT healed, as you've acknowledged and already conceded to, then how were they no longer damaged? Not being damaged MEANS healed. Not healed=still damaged. You know when you have a deep cut, and the doctors stitch the cut together? Yeah, that's not removing the damage. The cut is still there. The pain is still there, genius.

Law said that Dofy's organs were ruptured, that means it was split/crack not completely destroyed. For him to sow back his split organs means that he is completely intact, otherwise he would've had internal bleeding like Luffy and Dogtooth did during his fight. But he didn't.

That's EXACTLY what he had. That's why he was weakened, something visibly demonstrated in the manga lmfao

So having pain is not an excuse because if it is then let him take notes from Zoro about the real definition of pain since he's too much of a bitch to handle 2-3 attacks from Law.

No person in the OP world can handle direct damage to organs without being severely weakened lmao

3. Snakeman being any less powerful than Boundman is a stupid speculation on your part and you have absolutely nothing in the manga that specifically states that Snakeman is weaker than Boundman.

It's visibly demonstrated. A Snake Man blow directly to Katakuri's head[

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4. Dogtooth's Power Mochi beat up Boundman while Doflamingo got pounded by Boundman.

Except Boundman "pounded" Doffy for two hits more than it did Katakuri, while the majority of Luffy using Boundman was running from Doffy's Awakening.