I didn't say "all" leaders are corrupted. I said "those who are corrupted"
If you look at history, why there's always revolutions and wars?? Because people are screwed up. Does that mean they should do nothing and only tnj?? Go luck with that
Not all revolutions are worth it. Only when the people are oppressed and have nothing to lose does a Revolution make sense.
The Gokage aren't oppressing anyone. In fact, they're willing to make peace with each other once and for all.
Besides, most revolutions turn out worse and stay that way for a very long time. The only revolutions which I can think of that succeeded was America's and France's.
China became communist and ruled by a Dictator who slaughtered millions
Russia became communist and ruled by a Dictator who slaughtered millions
Germany became Fascist and ruled by a Dictator who slaughtered millions
Korea became totalitarian and ruled by a Dictator who slaughtered millions
Really? And that scene where Sasuke gets pissed at the Jounin laughing at his brother being dead and almost getting up to beat the shit out of them doesn't count? K then.
Not all revolutions are worth it. Only when the people are oppressed and have nothing to lose does a Revolution make sense.
The Gokage aren't oppressing anyone. In fact, they're willing to make peace with each other once and for all.
Besides, most revolutions turn out worse and stay that way for a very long time. The only revolutions which I can think of that succeeded was America's and France's.
China became communist and ruled by a Dictator who slaughtered millions
Russia became communist and ruled by a Dictator who slaughtered millions
Germany became Fascist and ruled by a Dictator who slaughtered millions
Korea became totalitarian and ruled by a Dictator who slaughtered millions
Really? And that scene where Sasuke gets pissed at the Jounin laughing at his brother being dead and almost getting up to beat the shit out of them doesn't count? K then.
He blamed everyone who caused Itachi's life hell and misery and the people who are laughing and acting like Itachi's death is a good thing. Obviously it is not a good thing to Sasuke after he figured out the truth but the fools of the leaf are still hardheaded and never listen to Sasuke's side of the story.
He wanted to destroy the elders of the leaf first. The after that he got crazy and berserk and went on his tangent about killing everyone in the leaf. Sasuke said all of this, but the question is very simple. Did. he. actually. do. it?
You want to talk about the kage being attacked by Sasuke but that very statement would mean that Sasuke walked up into the kage summit and immediately attacked them. He didn't do that. He tried to attack Danzo and they got in the way. Your logic implies that if someone attacks him then he is just supposed to stand there and die. No, it doesn't work that way. They are ninjas and Sasuke had a goal to complete.
When someone wants to change the world for the better cause versus someone getting butthurt over a girl then yes.
The kages are not saints, so I don't know why you people try to act as if they have made good decisions their whole life.
If Sasuke only cared for himself then he would have never left the village and sought revenge for his clan. Seeking revenge for something else or someone else doesn't make you selfish for yourself. It makes you have deep care and concern for the thing that you lost. Apparently you are too simple to even grasp that.
The whole adults of uchiha clan were in on the coup except sasuke, including sasuke's mother who was a jounin
The killing of children however was messed up because they had nothing to do with the coup and yet sasuke is doing the same thing by killing tsunade who once healed him from itachi's tsukuyomi and stopped konoha from hunting him down as a missing nin
But just because she is a kage she has to die, lel
But the shinobi system has shown to improve and is better than it ever was before. After this war, the countries have a chance to make peace with one another. That doesn't sound screwed up to me.
I don't think Sasuke's revolution has much merit.
They were monarchies. Not all of them were screwed up. Russia's empire was actually decent, the main reason for the revolution was because of the economic state it was in during WWI. The government failed to provide provisions to the armed forces yet insisted them to fight. Obviously there were not many alternatives to the matter.
Killing Itachi then crying and blaming other people for making him kill Itachi
Attacking gokage
Conspiring with Tobi
Attacking Bee and planned on giving a tailed beast to Akatsuki
Trying to destroy the leaf village
Stabbing Karin when she helped him
Sasuke is still in what is called the "I,Myself and Me" stage in developmental psychology, he thinks he's the only one who is right and doesn't take into account the importance of pragmatism in evoking societal change.
The innocent children? Yeah, it was such a good idea to kill off everyone in that clan when the leaf were the ones who treated them like trash and watched everything they did because they didn't trust them.
The killing of children however was messed up because they had nothing to do with the coup and yet sasuke is doing the same thing by killing tsunade who once healed him from itachi's tsukuyomi and stopped konoha from hunting him down as a missing nin
Unfortunately for you, I'm not the same idiot you were arguing with a while ago.
He blamed everyone who caused Itachi's life hell and misery and the people who are laughing and acting like Itachi's death is a good thing. Obviously it is not a good thing to Sasuke after he figured out the truth but the fools of the leaf are still hardheaded and never listen to Sasuke's side of the story.
He wanted to destroy the elders of the leaf first. The after that he got crazy and berserk and went on his tangent about killing everyone in the leaf. Sasuke said all of this, but the question is very simple. Did. he. actually. do. it?
He didn't do it. I also didn't murder a toddler today. He was hell bent on it, and would've done so if not for Hashirama's explanation. As a matter of fact, he still wants to execute quite a lot of people. Looks like old habits never change.
You want to talk about the kage being attacked by Sasuke but that very statement would mean that Sasuke walked up into the kage summit and immediately attacked them. He didn't do that. He tried to attack Danzo and they got in the way. Your logic implies that if someone attacks him then he is just supposed to stand there and die. No, it doesn't work that way. They are ninjas and Sasuke had a goal to complete.
Like I said, if your ally is being attacked, you defend that ally. Sasuke was defending himself, but he was being a complete dickwad bringing in everyone else, thinking that he was cool enough that they wouldn't interfere.
It's not nice to use someone like Tobi, but then you want to complain about Sasuke hanging out with someone like Tobi? Which one is it?
He seems to want to destroy it's culture and how it's government works, which destroys it non-physically.
If Sasuke only cared for himself then he would have never left the village and sought revenge for his clan. Seeking revenge for something else or someone else doesn't make you selfish for yourself. It makes you have deep care and concern for the thing that you lost. Apparently you are too simple to even grasp that.
Are we name-calling now? How childish. Sasuke, as a matter of fact, does only care for himself. He seemingly only minds the people that actually matter to him, and only "care" about them because he's attached to them. It's basically him being too selfish to let go.
Did I say Gaara and Tsunade did anything? Again, this is horrible logic. Just because someone else has mistakes worse than him, suddenly means he's better than them?
When someone wants to change the world for the better cause versus someone getting butthurt over a girl then yes.
The kages are not saints, so I don't know why you people try to act as if they have made good decisions their whole life.[/QUOTE]
Gaara and Tsunade are part of the kages, and are part of Sasuke's plan which you agree with. You don't need to mention them specifically to be referring to them. He isn't "better" than the kages either. When did I say they were saints? You seem to generalize and put me beside people that disagree with Sasuke. You're very "simple" and only look at two sides. Those that agree with Sasuke, and those that don't. There's actually a "between" in case you didn't know.
Yeah, it was such a good idea to kill off everyone in that clan when the leaf were the ones who treated them like trash and watched everything they did because they didn't trust them.
blatant lie, they were practically celebrities in the village
-the academy teacher had nothing but praises for itachi while talking to his father (he sure was treating them as trash)
-the academy children getting excited and cheering sasuke as he fought naruto (wow sasuke is being treated as trash, poor sasuke)
-kushina gushing over newborn sasuke and talking to mikoto (poor mikoto being treated as trash)
-hiruzen's wife telling kushina not to talk to her friends (people who are treated as trash have friends???!!!!)
-tobirama giving his life to save kagami of his squad (is tobirama a retard to sacrifice himself for trash? why didnt he told kagami to sacrifice himself?!)
-minato telling obito that he will become hokage (damn trash can become hokage?!)
-hiruzen calling them comrades (lel idiot old man, saying trash are his comrades)
the uchiha clan had more power than any other clan in the village, (nara, yamanaka, akimichi), they had the power to arrest anyone, except for the people directly under hokage
they were put under watch because they are more prone to becoming unstable than normal humans because of their genetic inheritance, the jinchuriki are also put under watch
kushina had to give birth while surrounded by anbu and a barrier, she didnt go emo, "OMG why are these people watching uwaahhhhh"
uchihas and jinchuriki are not regular humans, they need to have supervision, and last I checked what happened to obito without any supervision only justifies it further
The killing of children was given a reason and ironically everything danzo said about blood-lusted children wreaking havoc for revenge came true (Sasuke)
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But since i personally like children i still dont agree with it
Implying that killing of adults is okay just because they are adults and not children, killing of people is wrong unless they are harmful, killing of people who have saved your life in the past is even low
He didn't do it. I also didn't murder a toddler today. He was hell bent on it, and would've done so if not for Hashirama's explanation. As a matter of fact, he still wants to execute quite a lot of people. Looks like old habits never change.
He wants to execute the kage (who are high ranked in the ninja world). It's not like he wants to kill random children and babies. Oh wait... wasn't that what the leaf did to the Uchiha clan? Don't flatter me.
Like I said, if your ally is being attacked, you defend that ally. Sasuke was defending himself, but he was being a complete dickwad bringing in everyone else, thinking that he was cool enough that they wouldn't interfere.
Are we name-calling now? How childish. Sasuke, as a matter of fact, does only care for himself. He seemingly only minds the people that actually matter to him, and only "care" about them because he's attached to them. It's basically him being too selfish to let go.
Calling you simple isn't name calling when you fail to understand the definition of being selfish. If someone seeks revenge for someone else then how exactly are they thinking of themselves? Shouldn't they be thinking about the other person who they are avenging? Your foolish interpretations on Sasuke's "selfishness" Is your own flawed thinking. Sasuke's selfish acts are only selfish to others who don't think like him. It doesn't automatically make it selfish in general nor does that mean that Sasuke only thinks about himself. Sasuke isn't Orochimaru. He isn't looking for all the jutsu in the world. He doesn't care about being immortal. He only cares about changing what has caused his and his clan hell and trying to rebuild it into something better.
You are 300 years too early from even understanding Sasuke, so don't even try.
How about you look at the whole argument instead of parts that make you look even more stupid. I never said I agreed with Sasuke plan. I agree with the fact that the current kage are not fit to be in position and they have caused many problems that have influenced the ninja world negatively today.
At least he is smart enough to have some plan for the future that will change the world, instead of not doing anything at all and keeping everything the same like everything has been hunky dory for the past few decades.
I look at the logical side. I look at the side that will make change and not repetitive failure. I do not look at the side that kills Gaara or Tsunade but I also do not look at the side that faps to Naruto's idiotic inclinations on peace.
I don't agree with all of Sasuke's decisions, but what he's trying to do is for the betterment of the world. At least Sasuke is actually trying to do something with this pathetic flawed ninja world.
He wants to execute the kage (who are high ranked in the ninja world). It's not like he wants to kill random children and babies. Oh wait... wasn't that what the leaf did to the Uchiha clan? Don't flatter me.
You seem to only focus on the "what happened" when it benefits you, but fail to understand the "what if" situations that aren't to your liking.
Calling you simple isn't name calling when you fail to understand the definition of being selfish. If someone seeks revenge for someone else then how exactly are they thinking of themselves? Shouldn't they be thinking about the other person who they are avenging? Your foolish interpretations on Sasuke's "selfishness" Is your own flawed thinking. Sasuke's selfish acts are only selfish to others who don't think like him. It doesn't automatically make it selfish in general nor does that mean that Sasuke only thinks about himself. Sasuke isn't Orochimaru. He isn't looking for all the jutsu in the world. He doesn't care about being immortal. He only cares about changing what has caused his and his clan hell and trying to rebuild it into something better.
You've called me derogatory phrases countless times. Let me sum it up, if you really love someone, and want revenge because you think they'd want that, when they clearly don't, this is... Perhaps something else negative, but not necessarily selfish. He uses his emotions about his clan to execute his plans. He just tells himself that he's doing it for "them."
You are 300 years too early from even understanding Sasuke, so don't even try.
I understand Sasuke alright. You seem to be a wanker that think I'm a Sasuke hater. Oh, how wrong you are.
How about you look at the whole argument instead of parts that make you look even more stupid. I never said I agreed with Sasuke plan. I agree with the fact that the current kage are not fit to be in position and they have caused many problems that have influenced the ninja world negatively today
So, you argue with people and constantly call them "stupid" for what reason again? To defend a fictional character that you don't even share the same beliefs as?
At least he is smart enough to have some plan for the future that will change the world, instead of not doing anything at all and keeping everything the same like everything has been hunky dory for the past few decades.
I made a post in the Art forum recently, and it was my first anime drawing. Funny enough, it was Sasuke. Wow, I must really dislike Sasuke.
I look at the logical side. I look at the side that will make change and not repetitive failure. I do not look at the side that kills Gaara or Tsunade but I also do not look at the side that faps to Naruto's idiotic inclinations on peace.
And you think I agree with Naruto because? I have already stated on multiple other threads, that I disagree with Madara's plan, Sasuke's plan, and Naruto's plan
I don't agree with all of Sasuke's decisions, but what he's trying to do is for the betterment of the world. At least Sasuke is actually trying to do something with this pathetic flawed ninja world.
More baseless statements and derogatory phrases. I'm starting to think you are a child. I dislike Obito strongly, and feel very neutral towards Naruto. I am biased towards Kakashi, but this is irrelevant to the thread
Implying that villains have never back stabbed their teammates before?
It seems we are not on the same page as those were mere fangirls who were cheering for him. Those are not older leaf ninja who actually have a suspicious vibe for Sasuke. Another bad example.
-kushina gushing over newborn sasuke and talking to mikoto (poor mikoto being treated as trash)
-hiruzen's wife telling kushina not to talk to her friends (people who are treated as trash have friends???!!!!)
-tobirama giving his life to save kagami of his squad (is tobirama a retard to sacrifice himself for trash? why didnt he told kagami to sacrifice himself?!)
-minato telling obito that he will become hokage (damn trash can become hokage?!)
-hiruzen calling them comrades (lel idiot old man, saying trash are his comrades)
So basically you are giving me examples that has nothing to do with the point when in fact you are trying to deny that the Uchiha clan were being watched by anbu members and the leaf? You don't even have a point anymore. You are just naming times when people have commented or said something nice about an Uchiha. Next.
the uchiha clan had more power than any other clan in the village, (nara, yamanaka, akimichi), they had the power to arrest anyone, except for the people directly under hokage
they were put under watch because they are more prone to becoming unstable than normal humans because of their genetic inheritance, the jinchuriki are also put under watch
uchihas and jinchuriki are not regular humans, they need to have supervision, and last I checked what happened to obito without any supervision only justifies it further
The killing of children was given a reason and ironically everything danzo said about blood-lusted children wreaking havoc for revenge came true (Sasuke)
Implying that killing of adults is okay just because they are adults and not children, killing of people is wrong unless they are harmful, killing of people who have saved your life in the past is even low
So I guess you don't know the difference between a soldier who can actually hold a weapon with much experience versus a child who can't even defend himself?
