[Discussion] The Juubi's Jin is NOT Immune to Ninjutsu.

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Madara lacks those balls except for one and they still need senjutsu to fight him.

It's because Senjutsu are stronger and effective than Ninjutsu.
Ninjutsu attacks can be healed quickly but Senjutsu attacks cannot be healed quickly. We already have seen it against Obito as Juubi Jinchuuriki.
 

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Madara absorbed it and Ay lost his arm.

I was referring to actual wounds caused by the Amaterasu. Ay lost his arm because he had to cut it off in order to not be devoured by Amaterasu. Amaterasu didn't cut of his arm, he did that himself. Also, Obito took direct damage from a Normal Rasengan, and he had to heal just as he had to against a Senjutsu Rasengan. That alone is more than enough proof for my point.
 

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His Jutsu is based on it, you just proved my point. '_'

*Plural.

I think, you don't know what Onmyōton is. Onmyōton is based on InYō, the sixth element(Seishitsu), and a Seishitsuhenka(chakra-release). Obitos chakra had-as the Jinchūriki of Jūbi-the properties of In and Yō(Yin and Yang) not just Gūdodama. That's why he could neutralize Ninjutsu. His cloak based on Onmyōton like Gudōdama too.

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Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki was born with his mothers chakra inside his body. Kaguya Ōtsutsuki ate the fruit of the Shinju, which represents the force of nature. Nature energy manifest as chakra is senchakra actually. That chakra is now in Naruto and Sasuke.
 

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I was referring to actual wounds caused by the Amaterasu. Ay lost his arm because he had to cut it off in order to not be devoured by Amaterasu. Amaterasu didn't cut of his arm, he did that himself. Also, Obito took direct damage from a Normal Rasengan, and he had to heal just as he had to against a Senjutsu Rasengan. That alone is more than enough proof for my point.
Those points are irrelevant as there are no sigs of regenaration where as in case of Rasengan we can clearly see Obito regenerating himself.
 

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It's because Senjutsu are stronger and effective than Ninjutsu.
Ninjutsu attacks can be healed quickly but Senjutsu attacks cannot be healed quickly. We already have seen it against Obito as Juubi Jinchuuriki.

Precisely why Sasuke noted that they needed to use Senjutsu in order to hurt him.

Its been beaten into the ground that Ninjutsu doesn't work.
 

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Precisely why Sasuke noted that they needed to use Senjutsu in order to hurt him.

Its been beaten into the ground that Ninjutsu isn't effective as senjutsu

Corrected =D
 

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*Plural.

I think, you don't know what Onmyōton is. Onmyōton is based on InYō, the sixth element(Seishitsu), and a Seishitsuhenka(chakra-release). Obitos chakra had-as the Jinchūriki of Jūbi-the properties of In and Yō(Yin and Yang) not just Gūdodama. That's why he could neutralize Ninjutsu. His cloak based on Onmyōton like Gudōdama too.

Again:


Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki was born with his mothers chakra inside his body. Kaguya Ōtsutsuki ate the fruit of the Shinju, which represents the force of nature. Nature energy manifest as chakra is senchakra actually. That chakra is now in Naruto and Sasuke.

His cloak? You mean his body and skin? That simply means that the body parts that weren't affected by the Juubi inside of him when he transformed would still take effect from Ninjutsu. Also, what you stated is pure theory. No where is it stated that the Juubi's Jin's body is made out of the black chakra, not a single place.

Those points are irrelevant as there are no sigs of regenaration where as in case of Rasengan we can clearly see Obito regenerating himself.

There are signs that Obito had to regenerate from being hit by a normal Rasengan, in other words. He had to heal from a pure Ninjutsu attack.

Precisely why Sasuke noted that they needed to use Senjutsu in order to hurt him.

Its been beaten into the ground that Ninjutsu doesn't work.

More efficient doesn't mean immune.
 

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Corrected =D

This just further shows you don't have a real argument and are arguing for the sake of arguing.

It was directly said that only Senjutsu or Taijutsu works, unless your Kishimoto you can't say otherwise.
 

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This just further shows you don't have a real argument and are arguing for the sake of arguing.

It was directly said that only Senjutsu or Taijutsu works, unless your Kishimoto you can't say otherwise.

Who's arguing here?
Manga proved Ninjutsu has less effect compared to Senjutsu.

Juubito didn't stopped Ninjutsu by absorbing them. The Onmyoudon did the work. Also Onmyoudon showed that Senjutsu are effective.
 

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I added it to the OP.

Well,I noticed it as well but that contradicts Obito's statement when Naruto hit him with Rasengan so I assumed that that smoke/aura was formed because of a different reason.
 

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This just further shows you don't have a real argument and are arguing for the sake of arguing.

It was directly said that only Senjutsu or Taijutsu works, unless your Kishimoto you can't say otherwise.

Yet again, the Manga proves that the Juubi's Jin can take damage from Ninjutsu.
 

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Who's arguing here?
Manga proved Ninjutsu has less effect compared to Senjutsu.

Juubito didn't stopped Ninjutsu by absorbing them. The Onmyoudon did the work. Also Onmyoudon showed that Senjutsu are effective.

Ninjutsu has no effect at all, it was established earlier. Not once have they been able to do anything with Ninjutsu, the Juubi Jin is completely immune.

Only Senjutsu and Taijutsu works.

Fact. =D=D=D=D=D
 

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Well,I noticed it as well but that contradicts Obito's statement when Naruto hit him with Rasengan so I assumed that that smoke/aura was formed because of a different reason.

He most likely said that Senjutsu was a weakness because the Black Chakra couldn't neglect it and it took more damage to him. ( Which makes sense, seeing how Senjutsu is stronger than Ninjutsu alone. )
 

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Ninjutsu has no effect at all, it was established earlier. Not once have they been able to do anything with Ninjutsu, the Juubi Jin is completely immune.

Only Senjutsu and Taijutsu works.

Fact. =D=D=D=D=D

Yet the MANGA shows that Obito had to heal from a Ninjutsu attack, so now you are neglecting the manga and saying that the manga isn't fact to itself? Wow. You just swallowed your own point.
 

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Obito's entire body was consumed by flames, if the attack had harmed him it would have been all over his body not from one area and he would have shown healing all over his body.
 

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Obito's entire body was consumed by flames, if the attack had harmed him it would have been all over his body not from one area and he would have shown healing all over his body.

The Amaterasu wasn't the only attack here, the Rasengan did the direct hit, the Amaterasu exploded around him. Which he covered himself from using the Orbs. You can see him healing his wound on his stomach from the Rasengan while he is covering himself from the Amaterasu using the black orbs.

Now again, you are the one neglecting manga here. ( So I'll use your words. Stop thinking that you are Kishi. )
 

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The black spheres are the seshoton.
The omyoudon which negates chakra based attacks is something that was simply channeled through it.
As omyoudon is a yin yang release dealing with a combinatin of yina nd yang energy the same stuff it takes to mold chakra to begin with.
Why do you think obito was not killed from the resen-amaterasu ?
 
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