[Discussion] The Juubi's Jin is NOT Immune to Ninjutsu.

[Shinato]

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The "theory" that the Juubi's Jin is completely immune to Ninjutsu is nonsense, and its been that ever since Obito was the Jin. Upon becoming the Juubi's Jin, the person gets a very advanced control of Nature Transformation which molds the black chakra and orbs the Jin uses for combat. This chakra, and these orbs can neglect and neutralize Ninjutsu and Chakra. As you an see in the image above, Obito took a direct hit from an Amaterasu infused Rasengan and he used the orbs in order to remove the Amaterasu from himself. His body did nothing. Tobirama even stated that the black chakra and orbs turn Ninjutsu into nothingness, not the body itself:

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Now, what they meant that Ninjutsu wouldn't work on someone who has become the Jin of the Juubi is that that they are immune to it. Their bodies can still take damage from a direct hit from a Ninjutsu based attack. However, they can simply block and turn any Ninjutsu into nothingness by using the black chakra. So now, either provide proof that the actual body neglected Ninjutsu without the black chakra, or stop saying that the Juubi's Jin is completely immune to Ninjutsu.

Look closely inside the red outline is where Obito is healing...

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[xxxLegacy]

Manga > You only Senjutsus works deal with it.

 

[Shinato]

Manga > You only Senjutsus works deal with it.

And I provided proof that the Orbs and black chakra are whats making Ninjutsu almost completely useless against a Juubi's Jin. Almost doesn't mean completely, and people are still saying that the Jin's body is immune to it, which by the manga is incorrect.

 

[saw2097]

It was established that only Senjutsu works, you are not Kishimoto, you can't change the manga to your liking.

 

[Misconception]

You're absolutely right... If you look at Obito's stomach you can see it's healing from the tech...

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

yet naruto still needed to hit him with a senjutsu rasengan...........

 

[Shinato]

It was established that only Senjutsu works, you are not Kishimoto, you can't change the manga to your liking.

And I am not, I am providing facts from the manga to support what the actual manga is saying. There isn't a single panel that shows the Juubi's Jin neutralizing Ninjutsu using his body. So saying that his body is immune is invalid, incorrect and the manga backs that up. Another thing, it was stated that Ninjutsu wouldn't work against a Juubi's Jin as they would simply make it into nonthingness using the black chakra. In the same manner as Water Style would be completely useless against Earth Style. Earth Style neglects Water Style, Water neglects Fire. In that same manner, the Black Chakra neglects all chakra releases. However, if you are able to get passed the Black Chakra you are still able to wound the Juubi's Jin using Ninjutsu.

 

[vacationheaven]

senjutsu and taijutsu.. but taijutsu is not considered jutsu.

 

[Shinato]

yet naruto still needed to hit him with a senjutsu rasengan...........

He didn't need to. Obito took damage from the Amaterasu Rasengan too, though he removed the Amaterasu to avoid death using the Black Orbs. Ninjutsu is completely useless against the Black Chakra, and seeing how fast they are they can catch most Ninjutsus. Tobirama also stated that Obito's DEFENCE was too great, his body isn't his defence or shield. The Black Chakra is his weapons and shields.

 

[Behemoth55]

And I am not, I am providing facts from the manga to support what the actual manga is saying. There isn't a single panel that shows the Juubi's Jin neutralizing Ninjutsu using his body. So saying that his body is immune is invalid, incorrect and the manga backs that up. Another thing, it was stated that Ninjutsu wouldn't work against a Juubi's Jin as they would simply make it into nonthingness using the black chakra. In the same manner as Water Style would be completely useless against Earth Style. Earth Style neglects Water Style, Water neglects Fire. In that same manner, the Black Chakra neglects all chakra releases. However, if you are able to get passed the Black Chakra you are still able to wound the Juubi's Jin using Ninjutsu.

Sure, that's why Naruto figured out to harm Obitos body by using Senchakra. And Obito even said that he didn't expect that kind of weakness of his new body and power.

 

[Shinato]

senjutsu and taijutsu.. but taijutsu is not considered jutsu.

Because they aren't based completely off imagination and spiritual chakra, they are based of natural and physical power. Thus the black chakra cannot neglect it.

 

[A v i]

In same scan that you posted in this thread Amaterasu has no effect on his body.

 

[xxxLegacy]

PLS LET IT BE............ONLY SENJUTSU/TAIJUTSU WORKS ON JUUBI JINS -.- maybe now even at Naruto.

 

[Shinato]

Sure, that's why Naruto figured out to harm Obitos body by using Senchakra. And Obito even said that he didn't expect that kind of weakness of his new body and power.

He said he didn't expected the Juubi's Jin to have any weaknesses, as he claimed it to be the ultimate being. The ancestor of all Shinobi, the strongest thing in existence based on the histories of Hagoromo. Certainly, you would be surprised if God had a weakness to humans, wouldn't you? Obito too damage from the Amaterasu infused Rasengan as well.

 

[Shinato]

In same scan that you posted in this thread Amaterasu has no effect on his body.

Because as I said, he is using the black orbs to remove the Amaterasu from him before he flies up into the sky.

 

[Behemoth55]

Because they aren't based completely off imagination and spiritual chakra, they are based of natural and physical power. Thus the black chakra cannot neglect it.

Usual Taijutsu isn't based on the concept of chakra, but stamina.
And the concept of Senchakra is still physical energy+spiritual energy+nature energy.

 

[Shinato]

PLS LET IT BE............ONLY SENJUTSU/TAIJUTSU WORKS ON JUUBI JINS -.- maybe now even at Naruto.

The provide proof that the Juubi's Jin's body is completely immune to Ninjutsu. Because not a single panel supports that belief.

 

[Bossman]

Please some one tell me how to make a new thread in forum
thanks

 

[xxxLegacy]

What do you want to Proof? Even when Ninjutsu workd they heal it away like nothing omg let it be this is now not importend
it took chapters until they understand that only Senjutsu/Taijutsu works ....and this should be for nothing ? NOOOOOOO IT IS MANGAFACT ^^

 

[Shinato]

Usual Taijutsu isn't based on the concept of chakra, but stamina.
And the concept of Senchakra is still physical energy+spiritual energy+nature energy.

Taijutsu isn't based of spiritual chakra, though raw physical power. The complete opposite of chakra, which is why it cannot be neglected by chakra itself. Senjutsu is based of Spiritual and Natural chakra, thus it has a lock on it that doesn't allow the Jin to neglect it. The reason because of this is that the Black chakra is made out of all the Nature releases and Yin/Yang Release. While the Natural Chakra isn't either of this, its not a form of Natural Release or Yin/Yang but rather pure natural power.

If Madara was able to infuse Senjutsu into the Black Chakra, then he would most likely be able to neglect even Senjutsu.