It was like a weird type of violence, I can understand people being upset tbh, I thought people were gonna hate it cus they really had a villain as the main character, but some people thought it was boring and pointless.I read people walked out of the movie early due to violence. What? It wasn't that violent except one particularly violent scene. I've seen Bruce Willis catch more bodies in a Die Hard movie.
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I'm accepting this will be the unpopular opinion but I didn't think it was that great.
It was a fine movie but it wasn't a great movie and it wasn't really that good of a DC story tbh. Maybe it's personal but I don't want or need a reason for The Joker to be other than he is. His best reasoning in the comics for me is his drive to make Batman better, he's said before he's only here to help Bruce be the best Batman he can be through his own insane methods. That or no reason at all are the best for the character, otherwise he becomes like a normal guy who is tired of being at the bottom.
As for the costume...are purple pants and a jacket that hard? I don't care what you try to tell me that was red, magenta or burgundy at best. And the face, the faccccce...come on son.
The laugh itself, honestly, not that great but all Joker laughs are held against Hamill and that's just hard to match. The reasoning behind it was a decent touch for a character in general but I go back to my reasoning against giving Joker too much of a reason for his behaviors.
I did like how vague it actually was for it being an "origin" story. That's how a Joker story should be, vague. I would challenge you to really identify his "breaking point" to become Joker in this film because I would argue there's as much a breaking point that begins his trajectory down that path as there is an "inspirational moment" where he decides he's going to take up this duty.
In that same note we start the moving thinking Jokers' name is Arthur Fleck and he's a child to a single mom whose husband left. We later learn he's Thomas Wayne's bastard. We later learn that's not true(thank god) or is it and Wayne faked paper work? Then we learn his "mom" actually adopted him and he was abandoned so has no name(the way it should be). So we go from thinking we knew who Joker was at the start of this film to realizing we know nothing really about him.
The Joker is a high time legendIt was like a weird type of violence, I can understand people being upset tbh, I thought people were gonna hate it cus they really had a villain as the main character, but some people thought it was boring and pointless.
I liked it, but it seemed like a really extreme movie, it was bold.
I have heard other people say similar things, that it didn't feel like the "Joker" as from the comics, which I understand, I view this movie kinda like BAtman Begins where you abrely knew it was a Batman movie, so I was fine with it.
Hamill has the best laugh, I even thought Ledger wasn't enough of a comicbooks accurate Joker tbh but JAred Leto wasn't that great for the little screen time he had so what do I know. This Joker was different though, it showed a human behind the monster and it was way mroe serious and literal than other incarnations.
I really didn't think it was that violent it's just the tone of the movie made people uncomfortable with the violence I guess. I mean let's compare Deadpool and Joker on violence. Joker killed 6 people in the whole movie. On the train he shot 1 guy once 1 guy twice 1 guy 3-4 times, he suffocated 1 woman, he stabbed 1 guy and beat him to death(the most violent scene of them all) and he shot 1 guy 2-3 times.It was like a weird type of violence, I can understand people being upset tbh, I thought people were gonna hate it cus they really had a villain as the main character, but some people thought it was boring and pointless.
I liked it, but it seemed like a really extreme movie, it was bold.
I have heard other people say similar things, that it didn't feel like the "Joker" as from the comics, which I understand, I view this movie kinda like BAtman Begins where you abrely knew it was a Batman movie, so I was fine with it.
Hamill has the best laugh, I even thought Ledger wasn't enough of a comicbooks accurate Joker tbh but JAred Leto wasn't that great for the little screen time he had so what do I know. This Joker was different though, it showed a human behind the monster and it was way mroe serious and literal than other incarnations.
gottamit shopstikara u'll never change..I really didn't think it was that violent it's just the tone of the movie made people uncomfortable with the violence I guess. I mean let's compare Deadpool and Joker on violence. Joker killed 6 people in the whole movie. On the train he shot 1 guy once 1 guy twice 1 guy 3-4 times, he suffocated 1 woman, he stabbed 1 guy and beat him to death(the most violent scene of them all) and he shot 1 guy 2-3 times.
Deadpool in just the opening scene kills 17 people. Way more violently. He breaks 1 guys neck turning his head around almost 180, he gets 1 guy decapitated by a bike chain, he kicks one guy out of the car and he gets dragged across the road and repeatedly rolled over by the SUV, He shoots 10 guys 1 of them multiple times, then he stabs some one and holds them above his head and some others. By the end of the movie he had 52 kills(nice reference btw)
Ledger wasn't comic book accurate at all but the thing is he made it work so well that it stopped mattering almost immediately and for me Joaquin didn't.
See that's the thing though, Joker doesn't need and imo shouldn't be humanized. I don't want him to have a reason he laughs beyond he finds chaos and despair funny. I don't want his laugh to be the result of mental trauma that then detracts from the villainy of the character. Why can't villains be villains because they "just want to watch the world burn" why does every villain need a realistic reason for their behavior?
Sure I can, I left what's his face alone haven't I?gottamit shopstikara u'll never change..
mots and atminz are after me tute...im teh most wanted AB criminal..but i ain't no criminal..im just a tobidara believer..Sure I can, I left what's his face alone haven't I?
Join a terrorist group, torture your little brother then die in front of him and your journey will be complete.mots and atminz are after me tute...im teh most wanted AB criminal..but i ain't no criminal..im just a tobidara believer..
I keep hearing that either people love it (like me) or people think it's not a proper Joker, or people find it boring and pointless.Average and boring, imo.
Nice fanfic..Join a terrorist group, torture your little brother then die in front of him and your journey will be complete.
bruh you didnt even see it thoughI keep hearing that either people love it (like me) or people think it's not a proper Joker, or people find it boring and pointless.
r u talkin to me???..bruh you didnt even see it thoughunless you did by now
but id consider myself a film buff. as a film, take all the superhero fandom out of the equation and its a pretty deep movie thats executed well. a lot of people that find it average imo are people who arent heavy into film, at least from my experience this week
it was filmed well and flowed very organically through each scene. the acting was good from everyone, the only problem id say is plot wise it was a bit too obvious of the audience on how Joker would snap in the beginning. but even that got better, it also had political undertones and the vibe was just executed well on a lot of levels
I cosign this. People are acting like it's one of the greatest films ever made. It's not. It has a slow, sloooow build with a few nice bits holding it together throughout. They drag some scenes on sooo long for no reason, most of them being him dancing. If the movie had kept the same attitude/feel of the last 30-40 minutes it would have probably been a great film.Average and boring, imo.
No I have seen it now, I didn't see it before I posted this thread though.bruh you didnt even see it thoughunless you did by now
but id consider myself a film buff. as a film, take all the superhero fandom out of the equation and its a pretty deep movie thats executed well. a lot of people that find it average imo are people who arent heavy into film, at least from my experience this week
it was filmed well and flowed very organically through each scene. the acting was good from everyone, the only problem id say is plot wise it was a bit too obvious of the audience on how Joker would snap in the beginning. but even that got better, it also had political undertones and the vibe was just executed well on a lot of levels
thats called atmosphere fam, him dancing was symbolic to him coming into his own. the first scene we saw him dance was when he first got the gun, the second scene we saw him dance was after he killed those people on the subway, etc. its all symbolism for him coming into his ownI cosign this. People are acting like it's one of the greatest films ever made. It's not. It has a slow, sloooow build with a few nice bits holding it together throughout. They drag some scenes on sooo long for no reason, most of them being him dancing. If the movie had kept the same attitude/feel of the last 30-40 minutes it would have probably been a great film.
oh my apologizes thenNo I have seen it now, I didn't see it before I posted this thread though.
But yeah I liked it, I thought it was scarily extremely bold.
They really had a bad person as the protagonist. Not an antihero or whatever. And it was like real, even though it takes place in Gotham, nothing is like from the comics, it's all believable.