The failure of muslim immigration in Europe

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europe ,usa and the middle east should have funded to build syria and other war ridden states instead of taking in refugees ... no one likes to live in other peoples home and be treated like an outsider .
and this crisis will not be solved any sooner im sure about it plz dont ask for facts on this ,internet is filled with this info ....
if u blame usa for the wars u r blind , u urself are part of this problem as much as usa is , like the afganistan situation n others .....
my 1st sentence is the priority others r not on a serious note gonna help the situation ...
 
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Yeah, and what does that have to do with the religion?

Does the religion say rape and commit crimes to the people of the country you're trying to live in? No, the religion says, as long you're allowed to follow your religion in the country, follow its rules.

And at Hawker, only few Muslims claimed that science and math were from the devil. There are even strong hadith showing that the Prophet encouraged science and math. The golden age was there for a reason. The fathers of chemistry, optics, algebra, were all Muslim.
Please...Algebra existed long before that...Just like the number system that was first invented by Indians is claimed to be of Arabic origin only ..

 
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And at Hawker, only few Muslims claimed that science and math were from the devil. There are even strong hadith showing that the Prophet encouraged science and math. The golden age was there for a reason. The fathers of chemistry, optics, algebra, were all Muslim.
Sigh..I'm sick of repeating myself so I will just copy paste my reply to another thread to here:

It has been speculated that the muslims lost their status as the intellictual center of the world in the Golden Age of Islam for the fact that religion and science contradicted one another. At the end of that era for example a muslim scholar Al-Ghazzali preached that mathematics was the work of the devil. He only favoured things that didn't contradict the claims in the koran. He was also against the works of many non muslims as they were from heathen influences. His views were regressive like for example he discouraged studying the greeks unlike past philosophers of his time.

Muslims chose the path where they saw and still see koran as a law book which tells them how to live. This path was essentially the path that lead them away from their knowledge of science.
The whole foundation of their scientific studies collapsed when their religion based philosophy was against the basic elements of science. Revealation replaced investigation. <--- again religion stood in the way of rational based progression

The Golden Age happened yeah, but the downfall also happened for a reason. So what you say makes no sense since islam lagged behind in progress so obviously the ones that mattered didn't encourage science and math.


Sorry but most of nb is ether nieve beyound redemption or just sticking their heads in the sand fact of the matter is instead of fighting most of them have run away instead of fighting people like isis or the like i believe 60% of what you posted is fact cause much of the muslim people are backwards the men there have zero respect for the opposite *** and if there is cheating they barbaically throw stones at the woman
A woman must always be accompnied by a male relative
And a raped woman must have 3 witnesses to convict

There are good people mixed in but they are far and between
@Bolded, that's one of the issues that most westernees are questioning. I mean 90% of the refugees are young men? They are just abandoning their country and leaving the women and the children behind. Real honourable. When Finland was at war with Russia, no one escaped, instead we won, even when we were in the underdog postition.

The issue is that a fair proportion of the troublemakers( those who support Sharia law, support terrorists etc) in Britain and mainland Europe are home grown first generation immigrants. In other words, they were born in the country. How do you deal with them before they cause damage? You can't exactly deport them because they're citizens by birth.

This is one of those problems where the old adage "prevention is better than cure" applies. If Europe had not mindlessly allowed in so many refugees with minimal background checks or monitoring(I'm not just talking about those fleeing war) then this problem wouldn't be occurring to the same extent. If the US and other superpowers(not all of Europe was to blame, it must be said) had not mangled the Middle East, which already had its own problems, then the current immigration crisis wouldn't be as bad. All in all, there are no easy solutions. Even closing the borders won't solve it completely since there's still going to be sufficient troublemakers within.
I agree that the damage has already been done. It's sad but it's true. It's up to the politicians now.
 

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Yeah that is a question.

I was just curious cause Indians are not soley Hindu. You got a few muslims to.

You didn't read the link..and I wouldn't correct the statement if the person was a Muslim.

Most notable Indian mathematicians after Aryabhata wrote commentaries on it. At least twelve notable commentaries were written for the Aryabhatiya ranging from the time he was still alive (c. 525) through 1900 ("Aryabhata I" 150-2). The commentators include Bhāskara I and Brahmagupta among other notables.

The estimate of the diameter of the Earth in the Tarkīb al‐aflāk of Yaqūb ibn Tāriq, of 2,100 farsakhs, appears to be derived from the estimate of the diameter of the Earth in the Aryabhatiya of 1,050 yojanas.[8]

The work was translated into Arabic around 820 by Al-Khwarizmi
, whose On the Calculation with Hindu Numerals was in turn influential in the adoption of the Hindu-Arabic numerals in Europe from the 12th century.
 
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I actually respect this point of view a lot. Too many people care about nationalism over whats really going on with the country. In reality nobody gives a shit about the land they are from. They only care about themselves.
I despise patriots. I cannot stand them. I tolerate them even less than the fedora tipping, nutty atheists and religious lunatics, and that is saying a lot as I can barely handle the last two.
 

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I despise patriots. I cannot stand them. I tolerate them even less than the fedora tipping, nutty atheists and religious lunatics, and that is saying a lot as I can barely handle the last two.
Patriotism is a blind hoopla to make people feel better about where they are from. When in reality that same country is nothing but shit.
 

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I'm not too familiar with the immigration issue in Europe. All I really know is that there are two sides that are contributing to the same problem. The muslims who are getting more radicalized and the far right (which is rising in europe) who continues to feed the radicalization through their bigotry. I guess one feeds the other.
 
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I'm not too familiar with the immigration issue in Europe. All I really know is that there are two sides that are contributing to the same problem. The muslims who are getting more radicalized and the far right (which is rising in europe) who continues to feed the radicalization through their bigotry. I guess one feeds the other.
Far right party is rising mostly becuase of immigrants, who do not respect local laws and culture.
 

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Lmao I just proved you wrong with all my statistics. What study are you talking about? In U.S? That has nothing to do with Europe but it's nonetheless false since 50% of american rapers are white and the rest are minorities. Do the math!
I just posted you official statistics. Nothing you post will change those.
LMAO what is this? why bother making threads when you're not even looking or even understanding the counter-arguments smh.


OT: Can't really stop what you reached into when you got in other countries conflicts and the shit that ya'll governments went deep inside, and lmao at the "closing borders" solution, NB man..:lol
 
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OT: Can't really stop what you reached into when you got in other countries conflicts and the shit that ya'll governments went deep inside, and lmao at the "closing borders" solution, NB man..:lol
Well, some countries cant deal with immigrants as it is, so closing borders is not a bad solution, not at all.
 

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Yeah that is a question.

I was just curious cause Indians are not soley Hindu. You got a few muslims to.
people of hindustan were called hindusssssssss n its not a religion its a philosophy a way to lead life

most indians r hindus unless they had migrated from other countries to india which is a rare case ....
 
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I'm not too familiar with the immigration issue in Europe. All I really know is that there are two sides that are contributing to the same problem. The muslims who are getting more radicalized and the far right (which is rising in europe) who continues to feed the radicalization through their bigotry. I guess one feeds the other.
I'm a liberal by values, but even I'm tempted to join some right wing movement because of this crisis. It tells more about the problem than about me.


Patriotism is a blind hoopla to make people feel better about where they are from. When in reality that same country is nothing but shit.
Yeah talk about self deception and at the same time you belong to a religion...

LMAO what is this? why bother making threads when you're not even looking or even understanding the counter-arguments smh.
Like I said, I posted facts..there really isn't a way for anyone to debunk those. So what I'm really looking for is a solution for that problem, not ways of sugarcoating it.
 
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I'm a liberal by values, but even I'm tempted to join the aryan brotherhood because of this crisis. It tells more about the problem than about me.
I forgot to mention that radicalization of muslim also causes the far right to grow in response. Which is why I said they both feed into each other. You can criticize islam however you want but being prejudicial towards muslims is irrational and only makes the problem worse. And ISIS actually loves that because they want more muslims to join them. I've argued with some of the hardliner muslims too and I don't like them either, especially since I'm a liberal/progressive muslim.
 

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I forgot to mention that radicalization of muslim also causes the far right to grow in response. Which is why I said they both feed into each other. You can criticize islam however you want but being prejudicial towards muslims is irrational and only makes the problem worse. And ISIS actually loves that because they want more muslims to join them. I've argued with some of the hardliner muslims too and I don't like them either, especially since I'm a liberal/progressive muslim.
I was half joking with that. It's funny you say it's irrational to be prejudiced towards muslims when statistics show that they are most likely to commit crimes in society than any other person. Ofcourse I'm not saying all muslims are bad, but what can you really say after you look at the facts.
 
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