The failure of muslim immigration in Europe

[YowYan]

Ugh blame culture not the religion.

People are so ignorant these days..

I only use the word muslim because people are so adamant on being identified as such. And it's pretty hard to blame their culture if their religion is so systematically imbued into their culture. Where is the difference

 

[Hawker]

Great thread, I love the effort you put into it. These are facts and cannot be debated. However, what is the answer? They're escaping from their war-torn countries but who is causing this havoc in the middle east? Mainly the US. They're at the heart of this problem and need to be stopped immediately. Europe also need to close its borders, why not just make it a law to deport all immigrants who commit crimes? It's really that simple, they will understand that if they want to stay they will have to respect the country that they're in.

Thank you. I think the answer is that all muslims have to realise that they should not live by a book. It dulls their mind. It makes them violent and opressive. But this change has to come within religiion

My two cents on this:
Why muslim culture lags behind of others in progress? The answer is simple. They chose the path to follow their book as a law book. They weren't able to adapt because they saw everyone else as enemies and they didn't learn sh!t from anyone. Not after their Golden Age. Their philosophy changed as soon as one imam said "mathematics is the work of a devil" and the downfall began.

But I like your idea of deporting the criminals back. I think it's realistic and our country is as we speak making plans for it to happen. The difference is that it will only consern those who have commited serious crimes. But that's a start.

I think this short video answers your question about the heart of the problem, better than me:

 

[shelke]

You do realize that America and few European countries are amassing wealth via weapons trade to these conflict zones; conflicts that are, in more than one way, a byproduct of their foreign policies? May be, it's about time you started questioning the Western policies that HAVE resulted in this influx of refugees rather than attacking such a superficial aspect?

Sigh ...

 

[Hawker]

You do realize that America and few European countries are amassing wealth via weapons trade to these conflict zones; conflicts that are, in more than one way, a byproduct of their foreign policies? May be, it's about time you started questioning the Western policies that HAVE resulted in this influx of refugees rather than attacking such a superficial aspect?

Sigh ...

I do realize that. But I don't think that we are able to effect that in any way. US does what they want. Europe and least of all Finland has little to say on what they do. This refugee crisis and problems with immigrants are more close to us and there's still a chance for us to to make a difference on how the future of Europe will look like. The first step is the law that will deport all criminal refugees back.

I don't mean to belittle what caused the crisis in Middle-East, but these are two different problems and this immigrant crisis affects us more directly.

 

[shelke]

I do realize that. But I don't think that we are able to effect that in any way. US does what they want. Europe and least of all Finland has little to say on what they do. This refugee crisis and problems with immigrants are more close to us and there's still a chance for us to to make a difference on how the future of Europe will look like. The first step is the law that will deport all criminal refugees back.

I don't mean to belittle what caused the crisis in Middle-East, but these are two different problems and this immigrant crisis affects us more directly.

That's not even the point I made. It's a 'cause and effect' chain created through foreign policies. You don't want immigrants? Fair enough, and I am not going to go into this debate, but the only way to solve this is to stop the funding to the rebels, create some kind of political deterrent for the large export of weapons to escalate the conflict, stop supporting countries that are contributing to these factors etc. That would be steps in the right direction.

Also, they should check the passports. There were passports available on the black-market that resulted in this influx as well. Tighter border laws would also limit such people from crossing borders and eluding police.

My take on this.

 

[Hawker]

That's not even the point I made. It's a 'cause and effect' chain created through foreign policies. You don't want immigrants? Fair enough, and I am not going to go into this debate, but the only way to solve this is to stop the funding to the rebels, create some kind of political deterrent for the large export of weaons to escalate the conflict, stop supporting countries that are contributing to these factors etc. That would be steps in the right direction.

Also, they should check the passports. There were passports available on the black-market that resulted in this influx as well. Tighter border laws would also limit such people from crossing borders and eluding police.

My take on this.

That very well may be but honestly the bigger picture doesn't even consern me right now. First it's either all borders closed and deporting all the non integrating immigrants back or changing our refugee system drastically and then we can talk about politics conserning the situation in Middle-East.

In other words it's pointless to eat healthy food and start jogging when you are having a heart attack. First you have to treat the acute symptoms of infarct and then you can start preventing the problem from not reapeating itself. And that's when you go to the source of it.

But I agree Americans should stop funding rebels, but what can we do really.

 

[shelke]

That very well may be but honestly the bigger picture doesn't even consern me right now. First it's either all borders closed and deporting all the non integrating immigrants back or changing our refugee system drastically and then we can talk about politics conserning the situation in Middle-East.

In other words it's pointless to eat healthy food and start jogging when you are having a heart attack. First you have to treat the acute symptoms of infarct and then you can start preventing the problem from not reapeating itself. And that's when you go to the source of it.

But I agree Americans should stop funding rebels, but what can we do really.

Yes, an immediate solution with solve the problem now, but it won't have much long-term effects given the escalating conflicts. Hence, the foreign policy does need to be evaluated.

 

[Pride]

Another redneck who is more afraid of syrian children refugees than gun nuts saying ''YEEHAW!'' I am more concerned about a white male middle aged man, evangelical and prolife, gun owner killing me than any muslim

 

[BlacLord™]

Wait... You make this like all of them are bad! Of course there are bad refugees but there also some who really try to immigrate into the west culture!

Just last week we had some of them in school (they get some german classes in our school) and they talked to one of my friends who is gay. He is obviously gay so there was no need to say this yet they understood each other just fine!!

I get your point but making this general for the whole Religion is stupid!

Exactly this.

This guy is a blatantly parochial and will refuse to look at the other side out of sheer bigotry. Not worth anyone's time arguing whatsoever.

 

[Hawker]

Another redneck who is more afraid of syrian children refugees than gun nuts saying ''YEEHAW!'' I am more concerned about a white male middle aged man, evangelical and prolife, gun owner killing me than any muslim

Good for you then trying to simplify this to yourself 'cause you cant admit facts. For your information we have strict gun laws in Finland.

Statistics are on our side. European natives should be more afraid of muslims than other natives. Your subjective experience doesn't have sh1t to do with that. Facts. Nothing more but facts in the OP.

Exactly this.

This guy is a blatantly parochial and will refuse to look at the other side out of sheer bigotry. Not worth anyone's time arguing whatsoever.

Like I and others already explained to that girl, all that matters is a solution for this problem. Solution is not "oh but there are good immigrants so let us look the other side of the coin". That's just empty babble in a situation like this. The other side of the coin doesn't matter now. That's sheer naivety. How big those crime percentages have to be for you to stop belittling the problem? How does the fact that there are good immigranst suddenly take away all the huge problems with muslims? That's right you don't have any solutions you just want to act all righteous and liberal.

It's a dire situation and over the top liberalism got us to this point. Now something has to be done.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

What do crime rates from Immigrants have to do with a religion? Smh.

 

[Angelic.]

build a wall jk xD

 

[Yubel]

What do crime rates from Immigrants have to do with a religion? Smh.

They're all muslim or most of them because they come from the middle east.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

They're all muslim or most of them because they come from the middle east.

Yeah, and what does that have to do with the religion?

Does the religion say rape and commit crimes to the people of the country you're trying to live in? No, the religion says, as long you're allowed to follow your religion in the country, follow its rules.

And at Hawker, only few Muslims claimed that science and math were from the devil. There are even strong hadith showing that the Prophet encouraged science and math. The golden age was there for a reason. The fathers of chemistry, optics, algebra, were all Muslim.

 

[Yubel]

Yeah, and what does that have to do with the religion?

Does the religion say rape and commit crimes to the people of the country you're trying to live in? No, the religion says, as long you're allowed to follow your religion in the country, follow its rules.

And at Hawker, only few Muslims claimed that science and math were from the devil. There are even strong hadith showing that the Prophet encouraged science and math. The golden age was there for a reason. The fathers of chemistry, optics, algebra, were all Muslim.

It brings attention to the religion because a minority of people are doing the majority of certain crimes which can be pinpointed to their religion and background which seems to be the only correlation. You can't blame non-muslims for questioning the usually questionable things found in the quran even if it doesn't specifically say don't rape/commit crimes.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

First, I think it will be nice if you educated yourself in the history of the Middle East and tried to understand the how and why of the wars rather than just assume things.

I think he is trolling or mocking the Op.

 

[demon of the leaf]

But the problem has already happened when they commit the crime. Out country is preparing a law which will send back immigrants who have commited serious crimes.


I just posted you statistics. You want me to repeat myself? A nigerian male immigrant rapes 40 times more likely than a native. Does this answer your question?

Wow you seriously are blaminf our culture for their crimes? "They have to adjust". Lmao. I'm glad you are admitting that the problem is in their culture. But what a way to take the blame from the criminals and victimize them. You are just justifying rape!

Sorry but most of nb is ether nieve beyound redemption or just sticking their heads in the sand fact of the matter is instead of fighting most of them have run away instead of fighting people like isis or the like i believe 60% of what you posted is fact cause much of the muslim people are backwards the men there have zero respect for the opposite *** and if there is cheating they barbaically throw stones at the woman
A woman must always be accompnied by a male relative
And a raped woman must have 3 witnesses to convict

There are good people mixed in but they are far and between

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

It brings attention to the religion because a minority of people are doing the majority of certain crimes which can be pinpointed to their religion and background which seems to be the only correlation. You can't blame non-muslims for questioning the usually questionable things found in the quran even if it doesn't specifically say don't rape/commit crimes.

If only you guys were just questioning, though.

 

[Conspirator.]

That very well may be but honestly the bigger picture doesn't even consern me right now. First it's either all borders closed and deporting all the non integrating immigrants back or changing our refugee system drastically and then we can talk about politics conserning the situation in Middle-East.

In other words it's pointless to eat healthy food and start jogging when you are having a heart attack. First you have to treat the acute symptoms of infarct and then you can start preventing the problem from not reapeating itself. And that's when you go to the source of it.

But I agree Americans should stop funding rebels, but what can we do really.

The issue is that a fair proportion of the troublemakers( those who support Sharia law, support terrorists etc) in Britain and mainland Europe are home grown first generation immigrants. In other words, they were born in the country. How do you deal with them before they cause damage? You can't exactly deport them because they're citizens by birth.

This is one of those problems where the old adage "prevention is better than cure" applies. If Europe had not mindlessly allowed in so many refugees with minimal background checks or monitoring(I'm not just talking about those fleeing war) then this problem wouldn't be occurring to the same extent. If the US and other superpowers(not all of Europe was to blame, it must be said) had not mangled the Middle East, which already had its own problems, then the current immigration crisis wouldn't be as bad. All in all, there are no easy solutions. Even closing the borders won't solve it completely since there's still going to be sufficient troublemakers within.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

The issue is that a fair proportion of the troublemakers(I mean those who support Sharia law, support terrorists etc) in Britain and mainland Europe are home grown first generation immigrants. In other words, they were born in the country. How do you deal with them before they cause damage? You can't exactly deport them because they're citizens by birth.

This is one of those problems where the old adage "prevention is better than cure" applies. If Europe had not mindlessly allowed in so many refugees with minimal monitoring(not talking about those fleeing war) then this problem wouldn't be occurring. It the US and other superpowers(not all of Europe was to blame, it must be said) had not mangled with the Middle East(which already had it's own problems) then the current immigration crisis wouldn't be as bad. All in all, there are no easy solutions. Even closing the borders won't solve it completely since there's still going to be sufficient troublemakers within.

The people who are doing these things are simply morons. Maybe there are more morons in the Middle East, who knows?

Teaching intolerance and cornering the non-moronic Muslims who bother to debate will only make them feel unwanted. Now, I'm not saying you're doing this but a lot of NB members and people in general do.

We try to isolate from morons when it's not that easy. We have to educate people. These statistics are no different from the ones about black people committing more crimes. And yes, you can find statistics that consider economic background as well but still suggest blacks commit more crimes. But these days, we are smart enough to know that it's not simply because they are black. Sure Islam is an ideology, but Islam and Middle-Eastern culture doesn't tell people to go do those things that the bad immigrants are doing. And Islam and culture are certainly not a major concern for these moronic horny men. If at most, it's their view of Islam that's deviated.