The End All Debate on the SO6P

[TheBrightSide]

Already have it is obvious his loving teacher(Gai) pulled strings whether with the academy or hokage to do a taijutsu test as he is lauded as a taijutsu genius.

Just like someone could have pulled the strings for Kushina? I can infer since it is the key to great theories and all right?

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Haha i was planning on just leaving it at that but youre such a little prick i dont want to give you that satisfaction. You havent proved a damn thing this whole damn time. You have simply posted one thing saying about how you must accomplish a clone jutsu to graduate the academy in a manga full of plot holes and contradictions and this has already been shown to have been disregarded when Rock Lee was made a genin. You have literally no proof that Kushina was not proficient in sealing jutsu at that age so if i wanted to be like you, i could just cling to that fact for the rest of this debate.

Good shit good shit

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

A pure blood Uzumaki would be weak in ninjutsu and the village would know that.

Ha your really still on that. With their chakra and vitality wouldn't the village actually think that they would be good at ninjutsu? Madara certainly thought Nagato could handle the rinnegan and it's ninjutsu so the uzumaki being good in ninjutsu is not far fetched.

 

[Zero Path]

Do you understand a thing called destiny? Uzumaki girls were brought from the land of eddies to become jinchuuriki, wives of the Hokage as a symbol of their power and to find love to lead a happy life even as a host, it was tradition and a sign of good faith between the blood relatives. Everyone would know their lack of ability in ninjutsu, and they would get a free pass.

Cool Story. But Kushina and Minato Were together before he was made Hokage. Hell, They Liked each other since they were Kids. No one would've been able to tell At that point Who the Hokage would be. And if Oro Hadn't went rouge, He would've been The next Hokage, As stated In the manga.. So your theory Doesn't hold much Water.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Cool Story. But Kushina and Minato Were together before he was made Hokage. Hell, They Liked each other since they were Kids. No one would've been able to tell At that point Who the Hokage would be. And if Oro Hadn't went rouge, He would've been The next Hokage, As stated In the manga.. So your theory Doesn't hold much Water.

No not because Orochimaru went rogue, Hiruzen refused to make him Hokage, that is why Orochimaru went rogue following that lab incident.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

Haha i was planning on just leaving it at that but youre such a little prick i dont want to give you that satisfaction. You havent proved a damn thing this whole damn time. You have simply posted one thing saying about how you must accomplish a clone jutsu to graduate the academy in a manga full of plot holes and contradictions and this has already been shown to have been disregarded when Rock Lee was made a genin. You have literally no proof that Kushina was not proficient in sealing jutsu at that age so if i wanted to be like you, i could just cling to that fact for the rest of this debate.

I haven't proved anything? I proved many things which you overlook and you dismiss them as they are just "baseless theories" when in actuality they have more logic and proof behind them then making the assumption that an entire clan cannot use ninjutsu because that is not their main form of combat. Gai does not uses taijutsu almost exclusively but does that mena he can't use ninjutsu? Well clearly not since he can summon a turtle. Rock lee has exceptions made which is obvious as he could not use anyhting else it is not debatable.

Just like someone could have pulled the strings for Kushina? I can infer since it is the key to great theories and all right?

Hah nice try but your inferring is flawed as you have nothing to use as a platform. Did kushina even have anyone who cared for her like that? If she was proficient in fuinjutsu don't you think she could do a simple e-rank clone jutsu? Clearly as evidenced by naruto they don't care about the jinchuuriki's rank as long as they hold the beats at bay there fine.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Ha your really still on that. With their chakra and vitality wouldn't the village actually think that they would be good at ninjutsu? Madara certainly thought Nagato could handle the rinnegan and it's ninjutsu so the uzumaki being good in ninjutsu is not far fetched.

The Rinnegan gives ninjutsu! Nagato was chosen because he had the same blood the Sage did! The Uzumaki were world famous and that's why they were hunted by everyone, I think everyone would know their weakness in ninjutsu.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

I haven't proved anything? I proved many things

In your own mind......sorry....

making the assumption that an entire clan cannot use ninjutsu because that is not their main form of combat.

and because we have never seen a pure Uzumaki use ninjutsu apart from Nagato, who had the Rinnegan.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

The Rinnegan gives ninjutsu! Nagato was chosen because he had the same blood the Sage did! The Uzumaki were world famous and that's why they were hunted by everyone, I think everyone would know their weakness in ninjutsu.

Oh im sorry shinra tensei and all the others are not ninjutsu? You need to have a huge chakra pool to do those moves as well as vitality to handle the repercussions of such exertion!

 

[TheBrightSide]

I haven't proved anything? I proved many things which you overlook and you dismiss them as they are just "baseless theories" when in actuality they have more logic and proof behind them then making the assumption that an entire clan cannot use ninjutsu because that is not their main form of combat. Gai does not uses taijutsu almost exclusively but does that mena he can't use ninjutsu? Well clearly not since he can summon a turtle. Rock lee has exceptions made which is obvious as he could not use anyhting else it is not debatable.



Hah nice try but your inferring is flawed as you have nothing to use as a platform. Did kushina even have anyone who cared for her like that? If she was proficient in fuinjutsu don't you think she could do a simple e-rank clone jutsu? Clearly as evidenced by naruto they don't care about the jinchuuriki's rank as long as they hold the beats at bay there fine.

I dismiss them as baseless theories because thats what the majority of your argument has been. Lots of assumptions with very little fact. And sealing jutsu is very different than ninjutsu hence it being a different sect of jutsu. And if the theory is correct, which i am arguing for, then no, she cannot use the clone jutsu. And once again, we dont know enough about Kushina to make any inferences on her abilities and those who possibly cared for her. Regardless if you think its a way out of the argument, i fully believe what i said about the plot having a lot to do with this scenario of Naruto not being able to pass. Obviously im not going to straight up argue with the manga but you cannot tell me you honestly believe that realistically looking at how the villages treat jinchuriki, that Naruto would have been denied and never would have become a ninja. It just doesnt make sense. Its a complete waste of what the villages measured as military power. Lastly, you have yet to show an Uzumaki using a ninjutsu which would entirely destroy the thread. Until then, the graduation argument is weak next to the insane amount of evidence supporting the fact that the sage, was indeed an Uzumaki.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

In your own mind......sorry....

You keep telling yourself that!


and because we have never seen a pure Uzumaki use ninjutsu apart from Nagato, who had the Rinnegan.

Just because gai used taijutsu almost exclusively does that say he can't use ninjutsu? Clearly not as he can do the summoning jutsu. Just because he is specialized in one form of combat does not mean he cannot do the others. Same goes for the uzumaki's and we have given proof that kushina probably did ninjutsu.

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Oh im sorry shinra tensei and all the others are not ninjutsu? You need to have a huge chakra pool to do those moves as well as vitality to handle the repercussions of such exertion!

Like I said, the Rinnegan GIVES the user ninjutsu as well as the power to use all the elements. Nagato was chosen for his Uzumaki blood. Only an Uzumaki can use the Rinnegan to its full power, just like the sage could. Tell me why hasn't Madara used God mode? He could win all his battles easily with that power.

 

[Zero Path]

No not because Orochimaru went rogue, Hiruzen refused to make him Hokage, that is why Orochimaru went rogue following that lab incident.

Yes, But at the time when Kushina was at the academy, Hiruzen was Considering Oro for Hokage, and highly doubt she Would've been considered to become Oro's wife. (eww....)

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Yes, But at the time when Kushina was at the academy, Hiruzen was Considering Oro for Hokage, and highly doubt she Would've been considered to become Oro's wife. (eww....)

It was tradition, but the Hokage can make a personal choice too, he decided to go against it because of Orochimarus dark nature and ambition.

 

[GEIxBattleRifle]

There are three main categories jutsu are under plus there are sub categories


Taijutsu
Ninjutsu
Genjutsu

So were would fuinjutsu be placed in as a sub category of these three? Ninjutsu?

 

[Zero Path]

It was tradition, but the Hokage can make a personal choice too, he decided to go against it because of Orochimarus dark nature and ambition.

That doesn't Change the Fact that at the Time, The "Hokage's Future Wife" Portion of your free pass theory is not applicable.

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

@TebowsYouthGroup what are your thoughts right now?

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

I dismiss them as baseless theories because thats what the majority of your argument has been. Lots of assumptions with very little fact. And sealing jutsu is very different than ninjutsu hence it being a different sect of jutsu. And if the theory is correct, which i am arguing for, then no, she cannot use the clone jutsu. And once again, we dont know enough about Kushina to make any inferences on her abilities and those who possibly cared for her. Regardless if you think its a way out of the argument, i fully believe what i said about the plot having a lot to do with this scenario of Naruto not being able to pass. Obviously im not going to straight up argue with the manga but you cannot tell me you honestly believe that realistically looking at how the villages treat jinchuriki, that Naruto would have been denied and never would have become a ninja. It just doesnt make sense. Its a complete waste of what the villages measured as military power. Lastly, you have yet to show an Uzumaki using a ninjutsu which would entirely destroy the thread. Until then, the graduation argument is weak next to the insane amount of evidence supporting the fact that the sage, was indeed an Uzumaki.

They are not baseless they use common sense and info from the manga which we use to determine or model her situation back in the day. You however disregard it all based on the fact she does not have enough feats. She clearly can use clone jutsu like a uzumaki born with her chakra and and full genes should be able to do jutsu easier actually as they have a greater chance vitality goes a long way in training and she was at least a passionate worker unlike her son at the beginning of the series. Your whole plot argument is irrelevant as it can be used both ways and really does not contribute anything new. The difference is there is no info on the leaf village using the jinchuuriki as military power they don't even train them so that whole argument is gone. There is enough evidence that they can sue ninjutsu. And wrong again the sage is not an uzumaki cuz they did not even exist back then. He is the progenitor of them and they are merely a branch from a diluted blood line.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

i've been reading this for a while and i want to try and clear up a few of the arguements... i think.... firstly, did the uzumaki clan existed before everyone else? I say no as i believed there were no clans and such before the event but using ninjitsu is like having technology in a way... people existed before hand yet anyway i hope you understand what im trying to say here... so no ninjitsu existed so why would there be ninja clans beforehand?? there were clans after ninjitsu as each developed their own... hence clans and such (the same with technology apple/microsoft etc etc though im only using this as an example)...

However i do believe that the so6p was an uzamaki and could use sealing techniques which were spiritual techniques rather than ninjitsu techniques ( they would become known as ninjitsu as ninjitsu became know throughout the world) this is going by everything op said and reading about the staff and the various religions used in the show... im not saying that the so6p was a version of jesus beforehand but he "stepped up" when the world needed someone to and then became one changing him from the ordinary uzumaki into the so6p.

The process in what happened is that he never had the rinnegan until he sealed the 10 tails (i see the 10 tails as gaia but a little bad) into himself... i believe the 10 tails had the sharigan or a stronger version of it but not the rinnegan... why? because the rinnegan literally is god powers and the so6p became god once he absorbed/sealed the 10 tails into himself... the way he also did this is because he is a sage... taking in the natural charka that is the 10 tails(being the world energy)... and if he took in the 10 tails he can then release the chakra to the world... he then gained the rinnegan by having his own spiritual body (sage) and the sharigan which merged and created his god powers... the rinnegan. this made him a god, seeing the chakra and elements as he was god... hell he could even create more chakra that he had in himself to the world etc etc

the point that the uzumaki cant use ninjitsu?? hmm i also dont agree with fully... before the so6p yea no one used anything, not even himself... seals yea but that wasnt ninjitsu then but it also would show why fuinjutsu... however its only logical the uzumaki can learn to use ninjitsu when everyone else can... i mean it makes sense... how can i use electricity when i didnt even knew it existed? its that sort of thing here... so thats why karin and others can use it... but the uzumaki of before couldnt...

because the so6p was now a god, he was no longer an uzumaki as such and that is why things get branched off... as for the sons, one got the body (senju became the name/clan) and the other got the eyes(uchiha/again the same)... now it doesnt say that the older son never had the rinnegan, i think he would have for he had the dna... however i do think he was lacking in the chakra strength so he couldnt handle the true power of the rinnegan... something that the body could... again though the body didnt have that power so it could never reach the full potential... its like kfc... the colonel (so6p) had the recipe (rinnegan) but he split it into 2 (sons) he gave one person the herbs and another the spices... we know that once they come together... bingo... kfc... (apart from my other theory of everything to do with naruto is based on colonel sanders and his children...) anyway through generations the rinnegan got weaker and turned darker because of the hatred which resulted in it reverting back to the sharigan but in a weaker form... and the senju keep their great body know senjutsu etc too... im also assuming that the older son left his land or something similar as he had a hatred after the younger became the successor... this means to me this senju mingled with the uzumaki which is how there can be a distant blood relation... and i am also saying both are descendants of the uzumaki/now god... on a side note you could also say that the hatred inside the uchiha comes from the 10 tails itself while the other has the good of the sage ... which would also mean why he would choose the good son... etc but im sure all these things have been said before...

ps and the so6p doesnt need red hair... he can also be a descendant or mixture so the hair could be irrelevant however i feel that kishi will use this to confirm who the so6p is.

also on a side note... wouldnt this make it obvious as to why its hard for naruto to use ninjitsu at school with him being uzumaki??

if any of you actually read all this jibberish, it was rushed as i had a few ideas around in my head but feel free to ask anything if i missed it... and i believe in what the op has said, just clearing up a few things that some have been asking.

this... discuss

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

@TebowsYouthGroup what are your thoughts right now?

Haha, im writing a paper for an english class! So im trying to concentrate its due at 12. And I feel like this thread has been bogged down with my ideas already.

I will say this, if "Kushina graduated from the academy" is the only argument against me theory, then I feel good about it.

She was brought over from another village to be the Jin. Besides the Hokage, she was quite possibly the single most important person in the village at the time (at least that is what the higher ups who brought her would say).

"She graduated from the academy" is hardly an argument.