The End All Debate on the SO6P

[NarutoDKurosaki]

The sage is beastly... that's all it said.

Whoops 733 i'm so sorry!

 

[TheBrightSide]

Irrelevant scans? They clearly show that kushina needed to do those said techniques

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Lee is a taijutsu genius and with a pushover like hiruzen gai probably convinced them to let lee through.
And as for kushina they would not let her through because she used fuinjutsu good as the academy focuses on nin, gen, and tai.

Well unless you have any proof for your last statement, then i dont believe you. Im sure if the village would make an exception for a taijutsu specialist in Rock Lee, then they would make an exception for a sealing specialist and new candidate to be the upcoming jinchuriki dont you think? I think the new candidate for jinchuriki is a lot more important than Rock Lee.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

Well unless you have any proof for your last statement, then i dont believe you. Im sure if the village would make an exception for a taijutsu specialist in Rock Lee, then they would make an exception for a sealing specialist and new candidate to be the upcoming jinchuriki dont you think? I think the new candidate for jinchuriki is a lot more important than Rock Lee.

I don't need to show you scans it is called inferring using logic they made an exception for naruto.

Kushina they would not let her through because she used fuinjutsu good as the academy focuses on nin, gen, and tai. And at that age she probably did not know any fuinjutsu.

And as for the jinchuuriki arguemnt naruto was a jinchuuriki yet they did not care if he graduated or not. Did you read the first chapter?

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[Sexy Steel]

I for one totally agree with this thread. The ninetails said that the Juubi was the source of all chakra and also kushina said she was never any good at ninjutsu yet at same time was capable of teaching minato high level uzumaki sealing techniques. and also the sage was the founder of ninjutsu so how would he have developed chakra and ninjutsu before anyone else it wouldnt really make sense since the Juubi was the source unless he had its power inside himself. another thing is that the sage survived the extraction of the Bijuu the only other person known to do that is an uzumaki.

S06p developed ninjutsu prior to capturing/sealing the juubi inside himself the previous manga scan i posted proved this. Sage mode, which is harnessing nature chakra (from the bijuu, since the jubbi is made of nature chakra) is a way the S06P could have had chakra.

 

[TheBrightSide]

I don't need to show you scans it is called inferring using logic they made an exception for naruto.

Kushina they would not let her through because she used fuinjutsu good as the academy focuses on nin, gen, and tai. And at that age she probably did not know any fuinjutsu.

And as for the jinchuuriki arguemnt naruto was a jinchuuriki yet they did not care if he graduated or not. Did you read the first chapter?

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You can infer all day if youd like. With no proof there is no weight behind your words. You have no idea whether or not they would let her through with sealing jutsu alone yet you state they wouldnt. And since the academy focus on sealing jutsu according to you, where do you suppose she learned them? It is very possible she knew some techniques from her village at that age. We simply dont know. And if they went through all the trouble of getting her into the village specifically because she was an Uzumaki to be the next jinchuriki, I doubt they would not have allowed her to move on. Also if you honestly think they were going to allow Naruto to become a normal working man had he not graduated, then im not sure what to say.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

You can infer all day if youd like. With no proof there is no weight behind your words. You have no idea whether or not they would let her through with sealing jutsu alone yet you state they wouldnt. And since the academy focus on sealing jutsu according to you, where do you suppose she learned them? It is very possible she knew some techniques from her village at that age. We simply dont know. And if they went through all the trouble of getting her into the village specifically because she was an Uzumaki to be the next jinchuriki, I doubt they would not have allowed her to move on. Also if you honestly think they were going to allow Naruto to become a normal working man had he not graduated, then im not sure what to say.

It is common sense something you do not have obviously gai pulled some strings. the thing is she is not old enough to know any and the school focuses on the main three tech. She could have learned from scrolls and who is to say there were not other uzumakis to teach her? No that is weak argument fact is they did not care for a jinchuuriki which is manga proof and for kushina it would also apply. And i said nothing about him being a working man without graduatiing.

 

[TheBrightSide]

It is common sense something you do not have obviously gai pulled some strings. the thing is she is not old enough to know any and the school focuses on the main three tech. She could have learned from scrolls and who is to say there were not other uzumakis to teach her? No that is weak argument fact is they did not care for a jinchuuriki which is manga proof and for kushina it would also apply. And i said nothing about him being a working man without graduatiing.

Who are you to say she is not old enough? We saw a 13 year old Itachi incapacitate a legendary sannin who was a possible candidate for hokage. Age doesnt mean much in Naruto. She could very well have gotten by on sealing jutsu alone. If anything, we have learned from part 2 that the jinchuriki mean a ton to the villages which they reside in. To say otherwise is completely stupid and ignorant. At the end of the day, you have not shown me any images or scans of an Uzumaki using a ninjutsu so this theory still goes strong. Not to mention your point has been brought up multiple times throughout this thread and have been answered satisfactorily.

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

It is common sense something you do not have obviously gai pulled some strings. the thing is she is not old enough to know any and the school focuses on the main three tech. She could have learned from scrolls and who is to say there were not other uzumakis to teach her? No that is weak argument fact is they did not care for a jinchuuriki which is manga proof and for kushina it would also apply. And i said nothing about him being a working man without graduatiing.

Hey man did you every check out that post i told you to go check out?

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

I don't need to show you scans it is called inferring using logic they made an exception for naruto.

Kushina they would not let her through because she used fuinjutsu good as the academy focuses on nin, gen, and tai. And at that age she probably did not know any fuinjutsu.

And as for the jinchuuriki arguemnt naruto was a jinchuuriki yet they did not care if he graduated or not. Did you read the first chapter?

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Dude everything you said is based on your crappy assumptions, he told you Lee graduated without knowing any sort of ninjutsu and your response is "oh, Hiruzen is a pushover so he let him graduate". Do you realise how stupid you sounded right there?

Everything this guy has used for his presentation and theory is based on fact! No Uzumaki has ever been shown to use any sort of ninjutsu, or performing hand seals on a manga page! Nagato doesn't count because he had the Rinnegan! The half handed seal is basic chakra control and not ninjutsu. Your argument is weak and the Sage was an Uzumaki!

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

Who are you to say she is not old enough? We saw a 13 year old Itachi incapacitate a legendary sannin who was a possible candidate for hokage. Age doesnt mean much in Naruto. She could very well have gotten by on sealing jutsu alone. If anything, we have learned from part 2 that the jinchuriki mean a ton to the villages which they reside in. To say otherwise is completely stupid and ignorant. At the end of the day, you have not shown me any images or scans of an Uzumaki using a ninjutsu so this theory still goes strong. Not to mention your point has been brought up multiple times throughout this thread and have been answered satisfactorily.

SO kushina is now comparable to itachi? And who is to say she is old enough?

The facts are:

Kushina did clone jutsu as a requirement to graduate which you did not know. She was to young and hasn't shown anything that says she was talented enough to know any fuinjutsu. And as shown in the first chapter jinchuuriki don't get a free pass from exams something you clearly forgot. All your doing is denying.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

Dude everything you said is based on your crappy assumptions, he told you Lee graduated without knowing any sort of ninjutsu and your response is "oh, Hiruzen is a pushover so he let him graduate". Do you realise how stupid you sounded right there?

Everything this guy has used for his presentation and theory is based on fact! No Uzumaki has ever been shown to use any sort of ninjutsu, or performing hand seals on a manga page! Nagato doesn't count because he had the Rinnegan! The half handed seal is basic chakra control and not ninjutsu. Your argument is weak and the Sage was an Uzumaki!

Really so an ENTIRE CLAN can't use anything other than what they are specialized with? Wow you are unbelievable and it is not stupid as the fact is gai obviously pulled strings and the hokage could have been part of it considering the type of person hiruzen is so stfu.

Yes clearly kushina knew stuff in order to graduate at all! You are blowing my mind away with the idea that descendants of a clan like the senju known for their wide set of abilities would be so limited. Clone jutsu is a technique and she clearly used it. I have presented facts.

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

Dude everything you said is based on your crappy assumptions, he told you Lee graduated without knowing any sort of ninjutsu and your response is "oh, Hiruzen is a pushover so he let him graduate". Do you realise how stupid you sounded right there?

Everything this guy has used for his presentation and theory is based on fact! No Uzumaki has ever been shown to use any sort of ninjutsu, or performing hand seals on a manga page! Nagato doesn't count because he had the Rinnegan! The half handed seal is basic chakra control and not ninjutsu. Your argument is weak and the Sage was an Uzumaki!

Hey man, can you check out post number 733 on here, i think it fits in perfectly with the OP's theory and makes a lot of sense. I haven't got any feedback on here, and just want some opinions.

 

[TheBrightSide]

SO kushina is now comparable to itachi?

The facts are:

Kushina did clone jutsu as a requirement to graduate. She was to young and hasn't shown anything that says she was talented enough to know any fuinjutsu. And as shown in the first chapter jinchuuriki don't get a free pass from exams. All your doing is denying.

The point was that age isnt a factor in Naruto. That is undeniable. And looking at it from a writers perspective, the entire purpose of that whole scenario is to add suspense to see if Naruto would indeed be able to pass, and to set up the battle with Mizuki to prove Naruto deserved to graduate. There is no way in hell Naruto would have been allowed to fail as a ninja when he is the jinchuriki of konoha's only bijuu. It simply defies reason.

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

The point was that age isnt a factor in Naruto. That is undeniable. And looking at it from a writers perspective, the entire purpose of that whole scenario is to add suspense to see if Naruto would indeed be able to pass, and to set up the battle with Mizuki to prove Naruto deserved to graduate. There is no way in hell Naruto would have been allowed to fail as a ninja when he is the jinchuriki of konoha's only bijuu. It simply defies reason.

This^

 

[New knight48]

dude do you realize that the sage of six paths was around when there wasnt even ninja clans because ninjas didnt even exist in the first place... he cant be from the uzumaki clan, if anything his descendents are from the uzumaki,senju,or uchiha... dude just because we havent seen kushina do ninjutsu doesnt mean she doesnt have, im pretty sure she does so that points wrong too... All your points are wrong. You provided random yet good points but supporting a totally wrong argument, this thread is a failure and was a waste of time, if you wouldve thought out your little theory from a broader view and instead of spending so much time find random points you might not have done it in the first place

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Really so an ENTIRE CLAN can't use anything other than what they are specialized with? Wow you are unbelievable and it is not stupid as the fact is gai obviously pulled strings and the hokage could have been part of it considering the type of person hiruzen is so stfu.

Yes clearly kushina knew stuff in order to graduate at all! You are blowing my mind away with the idea that descendants of a clan like the senju known for their wide set of abilities would be so limited. Clone jutsu is a technique and she clearly used it. I have presented facts.

Do you know what a fact is? Nothing you say is FACT! They are baseless assumptions! Know the difference. "Fact" would be a manga page saying or showing what you say as the truth. Get outa here with that nonsense!

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

The point was that age isnt a factor in Naruto. That is undeniable. And looking at it from a writers perspective, the entire purpose of that whole scenario is to add suspense to see if Naruto would indeed be able to pass, and to set up the battle with Mizuki to prove Naruto deserved to graduate. There is no way in hell Naruto would have been allowed to fail as a ninja when he is the jinchuriki of konoha's only bijuu. It simply defies reason.

That is nice to know but kushina has not shown anything to indicate she was talented enough.

It is nice to know that you have run out of ideas and are trying to discredit manga proof by calling it out on being a plot. So should we now discredit everything in the manga that does not help your argument cuz it was a circumstance to benefit the plot. News flash EVERYTHING BENEFITS THE PLOT and the FACT/MANGA PROOF is that jinchuuriki get anything but special treatment. poor argument.

-Kushina needs to do nin to pass exam
-Clearly even as a jinchuuriki she has no way out
-She was to young and did not show enough to say she new fuinjutsu that early
-there could have been scrolls handed down to her or a uzumaki who also migrated to the village taught ehr

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Ok let me clear something up. I think the OP wasn't clear enough about the Uzumaki's not being able to perform ninjutsu. This is just my take, and please correct me if I happen to be wrong. My take on it is not that they are un-able to learn ninjutsu, but that they just don't know how to do it. Their whole lives, they just study sealing techniques, and Uzumakis only learn sealing techniques. And their other fighting abilities come from taijutsu and weapons. Ex:

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Their whole lives, their parents and other family member ONLY learn sealing jutsu, never any ninjutsu at all. Why, maybe they might think down on it, or disagree with it. Or maybe they're forbidden to use it. The forbidden thing might make sense because we've seen them use healing techniques. Also on the topic of the Uzumaki's history. I think that the sage was indeed an Uzumaki. Now, he COULD have had a third child but probably not. The Uzumaki gene is probably just recessive. This gene can probably just pop up in Uchiha and Senju offspring. I happen to believe that the two brothers were created with the "creation of all things" technique, but in the occurrence that he did have a female partner, she could have outlived the So6p and became the leader of the clan. Who's to say she stayed with the sage long? She could have been a radical pacifist and developed a hate for ninjutsu because of the juubi, and the sages power. We also don't know what kind of guy he was. So in her vision, teaching sealing techniques and medical ninjutsu could have been the non violent ways to end problems in her views, and also was the way to peace. It would make a lot of sense. Also it would explain how hashirama got his healing powers, a genetic occurrence perhaps, or because mito taught him, or both? anyways this is just speculation and theories and my thoughts

Maybe this too^

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

Do you know what a fact is? Nothing you say is FACT! They are baseless assumptions! Know the difference. "Fact" would be a manga page saying or showing what you say as the truth. Get outa here with that nonsense!

Nice comeback...Not!
The facts are
-She needs to do nin to pass the academy exam
-Jinchuuriki don't get special treatment on the subject

What astounds me is who you continually go on with the idea that the uzumaki are limited to this and that when we should not judge their ability to do other things based on the fact they mostly rely on one form of combat.

And you say im saying the sage was not part of the uzumaki but that clan did not even exist then as he is their progenitor.

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

dude do you realize that the sage of six paths was around when there wasnt even ninja clans because ninjas didnt even exist in the first place... he cant be from the uzumaki clan, if anything his descendents are from the uzumaki,senju,or uchiha... dude just because we havent seen kushina do ninjutsu doesnt mean she doesnt have, im pretty sure she does so that points wrong too... All your points are wrong. You provided random yet good points but supporting a totally wrong argument, this thread is a failure and was a waste of time, if you wouldve thought out your little theory from a broader view and instead of spending so much time find random points you might not have done it in the first place

Exactly!^

The OP makes no sense NONE of the clans in naruto can only use what they specialize in they just prefer to use it!