[Discussion] The 5 Panels that Ruined the Naruto Manga Franchise

[apsri]

It's great writing; it's not our fault your scope of understanding is limited to bog-standard, simple ideas.

Don't like it? Don't read it. No one is going to miss your flawed logic anyway.

It's a lot of things, but it's not great writing. It's clearly somebody who is making it up as he goes along. And it's not working out very well.

 

[apsri]

No it doesn't. You are saying it has declined over the last year and I am telling you that I have noticed no difference in this last year. I have been reading it for a little over a year and I am telling you there had not been a change in writing style or quality. If what you are saying was true, then with my experience with the manga I should be able to tell the difference from when i started reading up until now. I can't tell the difference. I saw Obito coming from a mile away. I saw Rin coming from mile away. Those two points are invalid. the reasoning and logic of those scans is also fine. Sure kaguya may have been a recent idea of his, but honestly it makes sense. Wheter or not you like it is up to you, but don't tell me that his "depression" is making the manga worse.

I don't know what his depression is doing to the quality of his writing. I presume it's not helping, but I'm not going to say that he's depressed, and that's why the manga's shit.

I saw Obito coming from a mile away. I didn't necessarily like it, but I thought it could work. I did sort of see Rin coming, but I hoped it wouldn't happen. And it did, and it was shit.

I'm not one to resort to an argument from popularity, but judging from Naruto's sales in Japan over this period of the manga, many Japanese people seem to have agreed with me on this.

 

[mauri9998]

i thought you dropped the manga

 

[NarutoB]

Those first two were both things that made the manga better

 

[Douryoku]

It's great writing; it's not our fault your scope of understanding is limited to bog-standard, simple ideas.

Don't like it? Don't read it. No one is going to miss your flawed logic anyway.

You really think Kishi is a talented writer? Really?​

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[QuimicVital]

> Tries to prove why the manga is terrible
> Uses absolute subjectivity
> Does not stop reading the manga

 

[xXRolex]

In my opinion he is right that the manga is loosing quality. Just look from the beginning till now where this story is going.

From a young SHINOBI who wants to be accepted in becoming the hokage of his village.

To a JESUS like human fighting against a female devil to save the world.

its just my my opinion but i think this just gone to far now.

 

[six paths sage mode]

Your one of the people I don't like it's not ur story if u don't like it so be it but don't push it on everyone else

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Blizt uve dropped the manga like 10 times but u keep coming back....pathetic

Yeah...was gonna to say that.

 

[NineSNS]

So are you still reading the manga just in case Naruto and Sasuke do fight? Because Sasuke's Answer was about 54 chapters ago.
Kishi stated he had the end in mind years ago. I can't believe his editors would let the final volume and the ending be crap.

 

[poopieface]

Man do you have balls posting a thread like this on here.

I for one agree with most of your points, but I still like the manga. Sure, it climaxed to me with the Invasion of Pain arc, and to me could have ended simply with a naruto/sasuke fight after that, but... it's not that bad. Plotholes will be plotholes. Every epic story has them.

If anything, I guess you gotta give the guy props for doing the unexpected. Many authors are too predictable.

 

[seanmadison]

I agree with
1) Sasuke changed his mind in a few moments "ass pull"
2) Obito going on a lifelong rage/pursuit all because Rin died (Atleast this was explained as Madara's plan)
3) Madara being one shot. It doesn't even make sense with what FIVE of him? How could none of them see or sense the evil intent.

Also, yes black zetsu has mommy problems, but if he is her will. then she just has son problems?

Tobi being Obito makes complete sense though.
Personality change doesn't.

True thread, thumbs up

 

[NiiNjuH]

Look his Dad died and that's sad and whatever. But the manga's writing is slipping, that's the real issue here. I mean it's manga, not just some guy's selfish personal life.

first, manga can be about anything even someones personal life. second, naruto is over the top so it's natural that the characters reactions to thing are, well, over the top. also some of the greatest stories are made to reflect events that happened to that author. Evangelion was made by a very depressed man and it was reflected in the story. SnK(attack on titan) was written because of an altercation that happened to the author while he was working in a cafe.

 

[Uchiha Samater]

Add "For Me" to the end of your title , then it's fixed

 

[Hubba Bubba]

The collective thought process is astounding on this forum. Jesus. "Hurr durr! U haf uhpinyun on story and make a revyou?! U dun evn rite!", "U rong hurr!!" or, "U dun liek?! Leave! lel!"

The OP doesn't have to have a single writing credential in order to post a review on the decline of the story's writing and plots thus far. It doesn't mean that he doesn't like the manga (he gave a whole review and followed the story, even). He obviously cared enough in order to post glaring faults upon it.

And sure, it might not reach Kishi's ears, but this is a forum where people may talk about the manga's plots, whether it's in praise or disapproval.

And before anyone jumps down my throat and states, "Hurr! But we're stating our opinion 2!!", I'm just defending the OP's original, justified stance.

P.S. How dare you constructively criticize Naruto, OP?!

 

[ssjelf]

The collective thought process is astounding on this forum. Jesus. "Hurr durr! U haf uhpinyun on story and make a revyou?! U dun evn rite!", "U rong hurr!!" or, "U dun liek?! Leave! lel!"

The OP doesn't have to have a single writing credential in order to post a review on the decline of the story's writing and plots thus far. It doesn't mean that he doesn't like the manga (he gave a whole review and followed the story, even). He obviously cared enough in order to post glaring faults upon it.

And sure, it might not reach Kishi's ears, but this is a forum where people may talk about the manga's plots, whether it's in praise or disapproval.

And before anyone jumps down my throat and states, "Hurr! But we're stating our opinion 2!!", I'm just defending the OP's original, justified stance.

P.S. How dare you constructively criticize Naruto, OP?!

But he isn;t "constructively criticizing it" He is saying that the manga has recentely dropped in quality due to Kishis recent losses. Wheter it has or hasn't well you would have to ask Kishi. He basically just took a crap on 5 scans and called the manga shit.

 

[cloud]

These hoes ain't loyal

 

[Battle Neurosis]

Let me preface this all by saying that I know this post will get down-voted, reported, trolled and turn into a ridiculous flame war. That is not my intention. I genuinely believe the quality of the manga has decreased severely due to ass-pulls on plot and Kishimoto's personal depression.

My heart goes out to the author, who recently lost his father and is consoling his grieving mother. That said, I think we as fans have been betrayed. The manga should have frankly went on a hiatus until Kishimoto got his personal life back on track.

Without further ado, the 5 panels that ruined the Naruto manga franchise.

Sasuke changed due to Hashirama history lesson: Plot hacks

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Expection:

For hundreds of chapters we were led to believe Sasuke would fight Naruto. Naruto himself said he had to "change Sasuke" before becoming Hokage. Even Itachi said he left Sasuke to Naruto.

Reality:

Sasuke vs. Naruto will likely never happen. Sasuke inexplicably wants to become Hokage, and changes his mind after Hashirama's history lesson (if anything, he should hate the village more for ostracizing his clan and wrecking his family's life for bigotry). Sauce and Naruto are just pawns of a transmigration scheme ran by some interdimensional being with mommy issues. Awesome.

It's Obito...?

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Expectation:

Tobi was obviously going to be an Uchiha. Some speculated Izuna or a figure from history. Others thought it was Obito all along. I'll admit, I didn't think it was Obito. It didn't really make sense. After the backstory I'll admit that it sort of fits. But Obito did a complete about-face on his personality.

Reality:

It was Obito. And his reasons weren't good. Even Kakashi wanted him dead in the end, because Obito was a "complete failure". Verdict? Kishimoto wrecked his character and Sasuke's character in 30 short chapters.

Because you let Rin Die: Butthurt caused the war?

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Expectation:

Surely Obito had a good reason for betraying the village and starting a war, murdering hundreds.

Reality:

Nope, it's just because Rin died. Obito gets friend zone'd and decides to try and murder his friends and slaughter his hometown because one girl died a tragic death. So give up on reality and try and slaughter everyone. Awesomely bad writing on this one.

Aizen-level villain of 300 chapters: Madara gets 1-shot'd

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Expectation:

Madara fought the "God of Shinobi" and nearly won. He plotted his own resurrection, sealed all 9 Juubi, used Obito like a cheap condom, nearly killed Sasuke and Naruto (before they got ridiculous Jesus powers) and fought an entire war on his own while mostly blind. Defying death, summoning meteors and basically just being a total boss.

We expected Madara to have a big fight and to ultimately either be defeated by his own power or by the power of love and friendship.

Reality:

A long dead Godhead used Madara and set up his whole life because he has dead mommy issues. And we're supposed to care? Riiiight. Sorry, not buying it Kishi. This is an epic arse pull just because he made Madara too OP. Madara as final villain would have been better than allowing Kaguya and freaking black zetsu to take over.

Madara was a pawn, Black Zetsu has Mommy Issues

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Expectation:

Ok Madara's apparently dead. Surely Kaguya has more going on here than just being some big evil interdimensional godhead, right? Madara will make a comeback, right? Infinite Tsukuyomi clearly had some greater purpose than we can all understand? Maybe, just maybe this all made sense somehow?

Reality:

No dice. The events of the manga were conspired by black zetsu, to bring his mother back. He changed the tablet and used everyone because he has mommy issues. I'm sorry, but what the freaking heck is that man. This is just... god awful writing.

Verdict

This may sound harsh, but I'm giving it another few chapters. Right now this manga is just a trainwreck. I can't believe that the reviewers are still defending this piss poor writing.

Those threads are very interesting!
I never disliked them! Those are some of the main turning points in Naruto Manga!
Well, if you lost interest in Naruto, then, you'd better leave it alone and find another better Manga that may suit you better! U_U

 

[narutoblitz]

These panels represented a radical, unexpected change that was thereafter very poorly rationalized. The result has been one week of asspulls after the other. The manga has turned into Heros Season 3, and I think it's clear that the manga right now is circling the drain.

 

[Byron123]

Re-read "In Hell" which came out the week after Kishi's dad died, and tell me again that his depression hasn't affected the manga. I know the guy, so I know what I'm talking about here OK.

Lol the "Hell" chapter, or otherwise known as 605, had come a LONG time ago, while Kishi's dad death happened WAY after that event. If I'm not confused, there was even a week break because of that.