[Discussion] The 5 Panels that Ruined the Naruto Manga Franchise

[Byron123]

These panels represented a radical, unexpected change that was thereafter very poorly rationalized. The result has been one week of asspulls after the other. The manga has turned into Heros Season 3, and I think it's clear that the manga right now is circling the drain.

Lol that's only your opinion, it doesn't mean that they're widely accepted. For instance, Sasuke's change in that way was more interesting exactly because it was completely unexpected. I would hate to see a cliche in which Naruto after a death-battle manages to change his view. Also, it doesn't mean that there won't be a final battle. Many people confuse his change to be talked no jutsu or shit like that. His views on certain topics are still the same. Same goes for Obito. Many consider him a pedophile for saying because of Rin but if you read later chapters again, you'll see that that wasn't his true reason.

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At the end of the day you're just an ignorant who can't even read properly because if you could you would surely understand that the true reason for Obito's actions was the realization that this world is full of darkness that the system creates. It's not about just a heartbroken teen.


Don't blame Kishi for not liking his manga, blame your one dimensional personality.

 

[narutoblitz]

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General reaction outside NB forums to 681 is "WTF"

 

[Byron123]

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General reaction outside NB forums to 681 is "WTF"

I really don't care about some random reactions of the first second. First of all, it's not like I have all of the members of the NB on high regards to begin with. Many post threads of outrageous stupidity. And to give such a similar example: remember when everyone called plot when Obito was stabbed by Kakashi in Kamui and then a chapter later he became a Jin? Many then thought that iwas a complete as*pull but guess what? Later we learned that it was all organised by Obito. So no, listeningt to a couple of opinions, doesn't mean a thing. The quality of a manga is proven throughough the time, not based on one chapter without judging its continuation.

 

[narutoblitz]

I really don't care about some random reactions of the first second. First of all, it's not like I have all of the members of the NB on high regards to begin with. Many post threads of outrageous stupidity. And to give such a similar example: remember when everyone called plot when Obito was stabbed by Kakashi in Kamui and then a chapter later he became a Jin? Many then thought that iwas a complete as*pull but guess what? Later we learned that it was all organised by Obito. So no, listeningt to a couple of opinions, doesn't mean a thing.

In other words you're pissed people disagree with you. If most fans think the writing quality is going down... I wonder whose perception is really skewed? The fans I know in Japan mostly feel the same way. It's just ass-pull after ass-pull

 

[6PathsofKami]

Don't hate on Obito, love changes everything lol. Seriously though that was just the catalyst of why he became who he is not the only or main reason.

 

[Byron123]

In other words you're pissed people disagree with you. If most fans think the writing quality is going down... I wonder whose perception is really skewed? The fans I know in Japan mostly feel the same way. It's just ass-pull after ass-pull

No, no, everyone has a right to express their own opinion. I'm just saying that using as criteria some random guys, whose mentality is in question (they're might be 12 years old for instance) can't necessarily give you some valuable insight and a proof of that is exactly what happened with Obito and the general wrong opinion as for Obito's real motives. As you said it's just a matter of perception, but as I said the value of a manga is proven throughough the time and not just in one chapter. I accept constructive critisism but when for example that critisism is based on the superficial understanding of it, then so I will judge back.

 

[QuimicVital]

In other words you're pissed people disagree with you. If most fans think the writing quality is going down... I wonder whose perception is really skewed? The fans I know in Japan mostly feel the same way. It's just ass-pull after ass-pull

Oh, the fans you know in Japan... what a conveniently vague description of the people who agree with you and we have yet to hear much from.

 

[Shinato]

Obito's reasons wasn't because of Rin's death. He didn't care about the world at all, including Rin. (After she died.) His reason was because he lost everything, including his belief in the world and his friends. He lost his best friend, master, the person he loved, his own existence and his village. His own ideal, his own will, his own hope.

 

[Uchiha Samater]

Manga's are sold in volumes because they are intended to be read as such to appreciate the story


Take what you will from that statement

 

[Draw]

Obitos character is more understood by the end of the TTR arc, all of this makes sense if you let it make sense. Take a step back and look at the manga for what it is and what it is going to be, your expectations didnt happen so what? From the start of the chapter when madara fires black lightning at them, Naruto and Sasuke were planning to seal madara the way they're going to kaguya, naruto and Sasuke had planned to end the fight instantly it's not DBZ where the protagonist eggs on a humanity threatening battle for the thrill of it. Naruto and Sasuke were trying to be straight business and seal him asap, so the only thing I think one can see that's wrong w the manga is that the Naruto and Sasuke vs Madara fight was short and overhyped, however, the goal was not for there to be a dragged out fight vs Madara, it was to seal him immediately which was going to happen if madara didn't substitute his shadow. Now if anything, kishi will deliver us a better fight cause naruto and Sasuke now have a more difficult sealing fight on their hands.

 

[Namika]

This is Kishi's story. He creates it and the story will go as he wanted it to be. You can create your own manga story too if you want but you have no rights to say what should be done or not. He doesn't ask you to read his manga just to tell him whats right and whats wrong or what should happen next. You are taking things way too serious. lol. All you have to do is read and enjoy.

 

[Shinato]

This is Kishi's story. He creates it and the story will go as he wanted it to be. You can create your own manga story too if you want but you have no rights to say what should be done or not. He doesn't ask you to read his manga just to tell him whats right and whats wrong or what should happen next. You are taking things way too serious. lol. All you have to do is read and enjoy.

The only "fault" in your comment is that the Manga is a story, and such it affects its reader mentally. They bond with the characters and story and the story end up becoming a part of the reader. Kishi is the author, but his story wouldn't be anywhere other than in his own head if it hadn't been for his fans. In the same way as a ruler is nothing without its people, an author is nothing without their reader. Well they would be authors, but authors without a meaning.

 

[narutoblitz]

My issue is that Kaguya being the final villain makes absolutely no sense. Having one "mastermind" after the other just shows a lot of ass-pulls from Kishi IMO. It's a question of inconsistent writing, rather than bad writing.

 

[narutoblitz]

To me this seems to make a puny Black Zetsu with no identity and face... The guy behind the curtain? I mean it makes the whole war just seem silly and stupid...