Techniques overrated by Fans

[BenjerminGaye]

so then an attack from FTG can be blocked/evaded if you anticipate it??

then it isn't as flawless as ppl try to make it out to be, haxxed yeah, but not flawless as ppl try to portray it to be. That ultimate justu that cannot be countered yadi yadi yada

Yeah. I already said this. The only way to stop it is to a) stop them from jumping
Or
B) punish them for jumping.

Counter means react to it not anticipate it. Which nobody marked has managed to do.

 

[RikudouMadara]

I really don't see how you're getting"surprised" from an emotionless face. Even worse bee has shades on. So you can't tell what his eyes look like. Does his cheeks or jaw scream surprise? I don't see it.

Anyways like I already said ten times he felt minato Tap him. It's on you to disprove it.

The bit of sweat and jaw opened suggests surprise, no? Also....if Bee didn't react to it. How could he have possibly known out of the 20+ Kunai that Minato would pick him to teleport to? Even if he knew it was there(which I firmly believe he didn't) and guessed correctly he still didn't know Minato would choose him. When you have to guess you are unsure of something, correct?

Sure there would be the possibility, but still it's an unknown that he would have to be ready to react to. As he would have no way of knowing Minato would choose him.

I've been asking this entire time....where was it shown that he knew before Minato was behind him? You say he was shown "tapping" him, but it was not ever shown. Hmm....idk too much wasted energy To each their own....we just believe two different things. My apologies if I have wasted your time, forgive me. ^_^


EDIT: My apologies for double post it was an accident guys.

 

[RikudouMadara]

I really don't see how you're getting"surprised" from an emotionless face. Even worse bee has shades on. So you can't tell what his eyes look like. Does his cheeks or jaw scream surprise? I don't see it.

Anyways like I already said ten times he felt minato Tap him. It's on you to disprove it.

The bit of sweat and jaw opened suggests surprise, no? Also....if Bee didn't react to it. How could he have possibly known out of the 20+ Kunai that Minato would pick him to teleport to? Even if he knew it was there(which I firmly believe he didn't) and guessed correctly he still didn't know Minato would choose him. When you have to guess you are unsure of something, correct?

Sure there would be the possibility, but still it's an unknown that he would have to be ready to react to. As he would have no way of knowing Minato would choose him.

I've been asking this entire time....where was it shown that he knew before Minato was behind him? You say he was shown "tapping" him, but it was not ever shown. Hmm....idk too much wasted energy To each their own....we just believe two different things. My apologies if I have wasted your time, forgive me. ^_^

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The bit of sweat and jaw opened suggests surprise, no? Also....if Bee didn't react to it. How could he have possibly known out of the 20+ Kunai that Minato would pick him to teleport to? Even if he knew it was there(which I firmly believe he didn't) and guessed correctly he still didn't know Minato would choose him. When you have to guess you are unsure of something, correct?

Sure there would be the possibility, but still it's an unknown that he would have to be ready to react to. As he would have no way of knowing Minato would choose him.

I've been asking this entire time....where was it shown that he knew before Minato was behind him? You say he was shown "tapping" him, but it was not ever shown. Hmm....idk too much wasted energy To each their own....we just believe two different things. My apologies if I have wasted your time, forgive me. ^_^


EDIT: My apologies for double post it was an accident guys.

I zoomed on that picture to the max. His mouth was closed. He was sweating huffing and puffing earlier from saving ay.
The reason he knew minato would jump to him it's because his tag is the only tag unaccounted for. Even ay came to the conclusion I came to. Since you can't stop them from jumping. Punish them after they jump. That's why when a attacked the second time he didn't attack to hit him. He attacked to see where he was gonna jump to. The only tag ay wouldn't know about is the tag on bee. I.e. the only one unaccounted for.
It was shown in the next chapter that minato tapped his tentacle. Cmon now-_-

 

[RikudouMadara]

The reason he knew minato would jump to him it's because his tag is the only tag unaccounted for. Even ay came to the conclusion I came to. Since you can't stop them from jumping. Punish them after they jump. That's why when a attacked the second time he didn't attack to hit him. He attacked to see where he was gonna jump to. The only tag ay wouldn't know about is the tag on bee. I.e. the only one accounted for.
It was shown in the next chapter that minato tapped his tentacle. Cmon now-_-

You saying Bee knew is merely speculation. O_O Surely you know this? Minato could have jumped anywhere still. Even if it was the only mark not accounted for.....there is still no way Bee would know. I don't understand . Yes it was shown later he marked him, but we were talking about the very first time showing the cut. There was no tapping, correct?

You are saying without a shred of doubt Bee knew exactly where Minato would teleport to in the midst of dozens of possibilities. When he was in a confrontation with Ay, and everyone seemingly thought that the battle was between just the two of them? What would Bee have to do with it? You're saying Bee has the power of divination?

Fine.....can you show me, or direct me to the scan that succinctly shows Bee acknowledging or noticing the mark before Minato was behind him? I'd appreciate it.....^_^ Not trying to be rude, but I have asked many times nao.

 

[RikudouMadara]

I zoomed on that picture to the max. His mouth was closed. He was sweating huffing and puffing earlier from saving ay.
The reason he knew minato would jump to him it's because his tag is the only tag unaccounted for. Even ay came to the conclusion I came to. Since you can't stop them from jumping. Punish them after they jump. That's why when a attacked the second time he didn't attack to hit him. He attacked to see where he was gonna jump to. The only tag ay wouldn't know about is the tag on bee. I.e. the only one unaccounted for.
It was shown in the next chapter that minato tapped his tentacle. Cmon now-_-

This pic? You can clearly see his mouth is open. ^_^ It even shows the white of his teeth. >_O

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[blazekev90]

I disagree w/ Jinton. We know plot had something to do with that outcome. Considering what we've seen it deserves its hype.

Kirin is overrated.

Amaterasu is overrated.

Etc.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

You saying Bee knew is merely speculation. O_O Surely you know this? Minato could have jumped anywhere still. Even if it was the only mark not accounted for.....there is still no way Bee would know. I don't understand . Yes it was shown later he marked him, but we were talking about the very first time showing the cut. There was no tapping, correct?

You are saying without a shred of doubt Bee knew exactly where Minato would teleport to in the midst of dozens of possibilities. When he was in a confrontation with Ay, and everyone seemingly thought that the battle was between just the two of them? What would Bee have to do with it? You're saying Bee has the power of divination?

Fine.....can you show me, or direct me to the scan that succinctly shows Bee acknowledging or noticing the mark before Minato was behind him? I'd appreciate it.....^_^ Not trying to be rude, but I have asked many times nao.

How is out speculation if the scan shows him being tapped?
Surely a ninja would feel it's someone else tapped them.

No minato couldn't jump anywhere. A already accounted for the tags he already threw out.

Yes. There was no tapping the first time it was shown but there was tapping the second time it was shown. Correct? That means he tapped him. Point blank.

Yes. Bee knew this because had he jumped anywhere else ay would have punished him for it. If he didn't know(which is near impossible in this situation. He wouldn't have attempted to defend himself. There were no other possibilities.

1. They are the ay-bee combo it makes no sense for them to fight alone. 2.If the battle was just between the minato and ay why did be save him? It's not like in minato's case minato specifically told everyone to stay out of it.

No. I'm saying bee has the power of observation. Ninjas tend to have that. Good ones atleast.

I already explained to you how he knew. There was no need for him to acknowledge it to the reader since at that point it time ay did not know, and this flashback is from his pov.

 

[ReverseZero12]

KA is definitely a big one.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

This pic? You can clearly see his mouth is open. ^_^ It even shows the white of his teeth. >_O

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That's his bottom lip. I explained the the one drop of sweat already. Each to their own I guess.

If he was surprised why didn't he get an exclamation mark? Seriously? Even fodder nin get them when surprised. You're grasping at straws here.

 

[Tobby17]

Yeah. I already said this. The only way to stop it is to a) stop them from jumping
Or
B) punish them for jumping.

Counter means react to it not anticipate it. Which nobody marked has managed to do.

but you first have to anticipate something b4 you can counter it. It's different with FTG because FTG is NOT the attack itself, the attack has to come with FTG and if you can react to the attack aka ''punish them for jumping''. Then you've pretty much 'countered' FTG.

If I threw a fire justu at you, and you blocked it with Suiton, that's considered ''countering''. You haven't stopped me from using the Fire justu now have you??... You have to first see the fire justu then counter it with ur suiton technique or whatever it is. Same thing with what happened with Bee, you claimed he only reacted after Minato had FTG'ed to him, well with this logic he did as a matter of fact counter FTG seeing as you can't stop any justu from being used, but you can do something after the justu has been used, and it is still considered ''countering''

 

[RikudouMadara]

How is out speculation if the scan shows him being tapped?
Surely a ninja would feel it's someone else tapped them.

No minato couldn't jump anywhere. A already accounted for the tags he already threw out.

Yes. There was no tapping the first time it was shown but there was tapping the second time it was shown. Correct? That means he tapped him. Point blank.

Yes. Bee knew this because had he jumped anywhere else ay would have punished him for it. If he didn't know(which is near impossible in this situation. He wouldn't have attempted to defend himself. There were no other possibilities.

1. They are the ay-bee combo it makes no sense for them to fight alone. 2.If the battle was just between the minato and ay why did be save him? It's not like in minato's case minato specifically told everyone to stay out of it.

No. I'm saying bee has the power of observation. Ninjas tend to have that. Good ones atleast.

I already explained to you how he knew. There was no need for him to acknowledge it to the reader since at that point it time ay did not know, and this flashback is from his pov.

So by this you are saying that Minato could read Ay's mind? Iirc Ay was contemplating the possibilites in his mind, correct? You saying Bee knew is purely just your thoughts alone.

You saying he felt Minato tap him is just your thoughts. You haven't shown me where it is said or shown Bee knew before Minato was behind him. Minato didn't know what Ay was thinking, did he? You are saying it as if Minato had no choice whatsoever to teleport behind Bee. For all we can understand Minato could have teleported to a Kunai back at Konaha ninjas camp, correct? He could have teleported to a Kunai far across the globe, correct?

He chose that spot because no one knew it was there. Bee reacted to it. Im not trying to be rude, but it seems you are in denial. What boggles my mind is that you speculate, and believe it to be fact. :T_T:

Well...shall I say there scuffle. >_O

 

[RikudouMadara]

That's his bottom lip. I explained the the one drop of sweat already. Each to their own I guess.

If he was surprised why didn't he get an exclamation mark? Seriously? Even fodder nin get them when surprised. You're grasping at straws here.

I'm grasping.....? You said his mouth was closed, did you not? ^_^ Also wether it is his bottom lip or nor, his mouth is still open correct? Just asking.....

 

[BenjerminGaye]

but you first have to anticipate something b4 you can counter it. It's different with FTG because FTG is NOT the attack itself, the attack has to come with FTG and if you can react to the attack aka ''punish them for jumping''. Then you've pretty much 'countered' FTG.

If I threw a fire justu at you, and you blocked it with Suiton, that's considered ''countering''. You haven't stopped me from using the Fire justu now have you??... You have to first see the fire justu then counter it with ur suiton technique or whatever it is. Same thing with what happened with Bee, you claimed he only reacted after Minato had FTG'ed to him, well with this logic he did as a matter of fact counter FTG seeing as you can't stop any justu from being used, but you can do something after the justu has been used, and it is still considered ''countering''

In your first situation the water tech is done after the fact. That's a reaction. If for instance you knew they were gonna do it before they even did it...it's anticipation.

Bee knew he was gonna jump to him all he had to do was wait for him to do it. I.e. he anticipated the jump. He did not react to it after the fact.

Here's another example:
When minato set up for ftglevel 3 obito knew he was going to jump. He punished his jump by cutting his hand off. He even punished him jumping away by sticking a bomb to him.

But when tobirama threw it back at him, or when minato cut his chest open he didn't react. Cuz hey you can't react to instant. But you can anticipate it.
What I claim and what you said I claim is two different things.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I'm grasping.....? You said his mouth was closed, did you not? ^_^

Dude if he's surprised...where is his "!" which indicates suprise? The fodder no name nin got 2 yet the known character has none but you expect me to believe he's supposed? Instead your pulling crap like " his mouth was open(even though it's not) and there's sweat on his face(from saving ay earlier) so he MUST be surprised. He even goes on to say" you stab me and I'll stab you" as if he expected minato.

 

[Champ]

Ftg, Rasen shuriken

 

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[KingHashirama]

@Benjermine, you have been proven wrong like 3-4 pages ago... now you are talking about what is countering.....

Funny that I only stated it was overrated and you fans just proved my point.

Obito reacted to it (is not said to have any high speed reflexes) quite easily, Killer B reacted to it quite easily. We don't care if both Minato and Killer B were gonna kill each other. Main point is people countered that sh*t hard.

Anyone with FTG hailed stronger than Hashirama or Madara? no... Even with all his hype not once was Minato compared to anyone from the past.. shows how strong FTG is.. Because in the end Kages and people on that level of skills and power can deal with FTG if they know about it.

 

[RikudouMadara]

Dude if he's surprised...where is his "!" which indicates suprise? The fodder no name nin got 2 yet the known character has none but you expect me to believe he's supposed? Instead your pulling crap like " his mouth was open(even though it's not) and there's sweat on his face(from saving ay earlier) so he MUST be surprised. He even goes on to say" you stab me and I'll stab you" as if he expected minato.

He says that after he reacted to it. ^_^ It seems I'm beating a dead horse here.

I was only asking for one thing....one thing in particular.....nao I'll ask once more. After....I cannot entertain you anymore on this matter. Don't think I'm trying to discredit you or anything. You are adamant in your beliefs, but can you show me where Bee knew before Minato was behind him? If it is not too much to ask. >_O