Technically Kurama Isn't The Strongest Tailed Beast!

[Cascade]

I am so frustated now.You just don't accept it. Bee+8 tails could not defeat any of the tailed beasts than how did 9 tails+naruto solo them. Remember naruto was out of chakra and had continously been using Kurama's chakra from the start as well. So it means it was only Kurama's chakra. Also it made Naruto the fastest person and i guess strongest as well(The strength of nine tails).

Narutopedia... Later, despite shrinking a lot after having its Yin chakra sealed, it still remained a massive entity as its claw dwarfed Minato and Kushina. When Naruto separated Kurama from its chakra, its entire physique became visibly emaciated,[24] but it later regained its healthy look after consuming a certain amount of Naruto's chakra while he was using its own.[25]

SO HIS CHAKRA CAPICITY IS 4.5*2=9 again.LOL
AND SIZE IS BACK TO NORMAL.

+rep, nice find. But you know the wiki is written by fans too XD but still, nice find.

 

[Οdin]

"Being the strongest of the nine tailed beasts, it is said that Kurama can create tsunamis and flatten mountains with just a single swipe from one of its tails."

"In addition, it was shown that even when most of its chakra was taken by Naruto during their battle in his subconscious, Kurama still had enough to create a Tailed Beast Ball as big and powerful as that of a combined ball of five tailed beasts."

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[Cascade]

Refer to the post 2 posts above yours XD you guys are right

 

[Angelsluv]

For those who CBB to read - Read the Bold

Now as we all know, realistically the true strength of a tailed beast and his Jinchuuriki is not determined by the actual strength of the tailed beast, it is a combination of both of their abilities and their choice to work together that allows them to become powerful.

This removes the factor of the current fight during the war - as all tailed beasts (At least up until Edo was Released) have a Jinchuuriki to work with.

Now that is clarified we can begin to talk about the chakra available to the tailed beasts and what they really are.
I recently read a thread by @Blaze Release Wherein he determines that the tailed beasts are merely forms of spiritual energy - and do not have a physical body.

After understanding this theory, it is important to acknowledge that generally, the power of each tailed beast BY THEMSELVES (With no Jinchuuriki) is determined by the amount of tails each beast has.
This is further supported by the 8 Tails comment about the 9 tails - that the power of a Tailed beast is not determined only by the amount of tails but by the ability to work with their host. This informs us that Kurama is not working with his host at the time - he is weaker than other tailed beasts that do.
Therefore Kurama's Arrogance causes him to be weak (Alone)

In addition, the most important factor to acknowledge about Kurama's power is that his power was cut in half.
During the battle with the 4th Hokage (Minato), the 4th uses the Reaper Death Seal to seal half of the 9 Tails Chakra - evidently causing him to become halved in size.
The other half of this chakra was then sealed within Naruto - and remained with him for the rest of his life.

Now, to my knowledge, the other tailed beasts did not have any of their chakra sealed or removed from existence through being sealed - only the 9 tails lost any of his original chakra - which was sealed - halving him in size.

Therefore the chakra of the 9 tails has been halved whilst the other beast's chakra has not.
The question is up to whether or not you personally believe that the chakra of the 9 tails would be recreated in existence - (similar to what would happen if the tailed beast died with its host.)

The difference between a death and a seal, is that when the chakra is sealed - it becomes unavailable to the world - just as sealed souls are no longer available to be used in an Edo Tensei.

Therefore it is plausible to substantiate an argument that states that only half of Kurama's actual chakra is sealed - and therefore - available to Naruto, making Kurama, by himself, NOT THE STRONGEST in chakra either.

To my understanding the list might look (based on chakra) a little like this.

1, 2, 3, 4, (9), 5, 6, 7, 8
----------- 4.5------------

What do you think, and do you believe that Kurama regains his chakra over time / his being is regenerated as his chakra 'died' in the RDS?

Unlike like other people that just read the post and not understanding it, and just posting anything without answering your question, I will try.

I get where you are going, the number of tails on a beast should be a simple as you put it. But I will bring up something later. In my mind the 9 tails should regain his power overtime cause it has been about 20 something less or odd years that have past since the fight/sealing with the 4th, so thinking yea he might have regained some if not all of it's charka back, from that time laspe.

Other thing though the sage created them from the ten tails so it might not regain it's power since it was from something that once held them all.

Now to the other point, I'm thinking Kishi made Naruto with so much back up charka for a reason to semi - in a way to replace Kurama's lost of charka.

And still thinking on it we did see them TWO SOLO the othe 5 beasts when Naruto was suppose to be out of charka, so he might have regain it's full power to be able to share with Naruto, or the 9 tails it's self is still the strongest or the rest even though he had half it's charka sealed.


But mainly you have to ask Kishi?xd

 

[teetooktier]

Your title and argument do not work together. What you are arguing is that the kyuubi results in a weaker jinchuuriki, which is true. However, your title refers to the tailed beasts themselves, separate from jinchuuriki. The quality of jinchuuriki made by the tailed beast does not affect its own power/chakra level, which is what makes a 'tailed beast' strong. We don't know how the eight tails compares to the halved nine tails, but there can be little doubt that even so the nine tails is one of the top 2 most powerful bijuu.

 

[HIROKA UZUMAKI]

im sorry but kyubi is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay (using boud quoat if u didnt know) stronger then eny of the other TB'S because i read that even with half his strenght kyubi is still waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay (again quoatation) stronger. also his chakara is the same as him even if his energy is depleted he regains it same as if he dies he comes back to life at a later date. (not to mention the jubi is stronger then all of the TB'S)

 

[Cascade]

Your title and argument do not work together. What you are arguing is that the kyuubi results in a weaker jinchuuriki, which is true. However, your title refers to the tailed beasts themselves, separate from jinchuuriki. The quality of jinchuuriki made by the tailed beast does not affect its own power/chakra level, which is what makes a 'tailed beast' strong. We don't know how the eight tails compares to the halved nine tails, but there can be little doubt that even so the nine tails is one of the top 2 most powerful bijuu.

Yes fair enough, title doesn't accurately portray the OP but its hard with a 9-10 word cap.

 

[Darkdeeds]

wasnt that statement about all the bijuu in general - i beleive it was never made specific to the bijuu - in which case a 'close to infinite' chakra in every single beast - halved would then mean other beasts are stronger than him.

So much hate for opposing anything to do with kurama being strongest

Gtg to my school formal, will be back tho sorry for making such a fail thread i guess? was only trying to prove an opinion lol.
some of you guys dont even read the OP and just post your fanboyness all over the title alone.

You thread wasn't bad everyone deserves an opinion and yours is appreciated . But anyway i wasnt referring to though to the spot where he talked about infinite chakra. If you get a chance to look back at it (which im not sure if you will or not) But i was talking about the part where the guy mentioned that chakra is not your strength, strength comes from your moves not your chakra. Only thing that changed was how long he could last in a fight after his chakra was sealed.

If you look at my post on the bottom of page 8 it explains a little more clearly my opinion and reasons on the subject.

 

[inflame]

For those who CBB to read - Read the Bold

Now as we all know, realistically the true strength of a tailed beast and his Jinchuuriki is not determined by the actual strength of the tailed beast, it is a combination of both of their abilities and their choice to work together that allows them to become powerful.

This removes the factor of the current fight during the war - as all tailed beasts (At least up until Edo was Released) have a Jinchuuriki to work with.

Now that is clarified we can begin to talk about the chakra available to the tailed beasts and what they really are.
I recently read a thread by @Blaze Release Wherein he determines that the tailed beasts are merely forms of spiritual energy - and do not have a physical body.

After understanding this theory, it is important to acknowledge that generally, the power of each tailed beast BY THEMSELVES (With no Jinchuuriki) is determined by the amount of tails each beast has.
This is further supported by the 8 Tails comment about the 9 tails - that the power of a Tailed beast is not determined only by the amount of tails but by the ability to work with their host. This informs us that Kurama is not working with his host at the time - he is weaker than other tailed beasts that do.
Therefore Kurama's Arrogance causes him to be weak (Alone)

In addition, the most important factor to acknowledge about Kurama's power is that his power was cut in half.
During the battle with the 4th Hokage (Minato), the 4th uses the Reaper Death Seal to seal half of the 9 Tails Chakra - evidently causing him to become halved in size.
The other half of this chakra was then sealed within Naruto - and remained with him for the rest of his life.

Now, to my knowledge, the other tailed beasts did not have any of their chakra sealed or removed from existence through being sealed - only the 9 tails lost any of his original chakra - which was sealed - halving him in size.

Therefore the chakra of the 9 tails has been halved whilst the other beast's chakra has not.
The question is up to whether or not you personally believe that the chakra of the 9 tails would be recreated in existence - (similar to what would happen if the tailed beast died with its host.)

The difference between a death and a seal, is that when the chakra is sealed - it becomes unavailable to the world - just as sealed souls are no longer available to be used in an Edo Tensei.

Therefore it is plausible to substantiate an argument that states that only half of Kurama's actual chakra is sealed - and therefore - available to Naruto, making Kurama, by himself, NOT THE STRONGEST in chakra either.

To my understanding the list might look (based on chakra) a little like this.

1, 2, 3, 4, (9), 5, 6, 7, 8
----------- 4.5------------

What do you think, and do you believe that Kurama regains his chakra over time / his being is regenerated as his chakra 'died' in the RDS?

Intresting..........
This is a very good thread, and a very good question/idea.

However......... I think minato sealed half of the 9-tailed chakra because it was to much and he didn't have enough time. Also just because half the chakra was sealed... It doesn't mean that the 9-tail's well stay at the halved :/....... Its basically the same as using chakra to perform a JUTSU...... The chakra is regained once the user rests up (Same as the nine tail's regains his chakra)...... Don't forget, nine tail's is the strongest tailed beast and it can't be killed like blaze relase said they are a spiritual content and don't have bodies, so imagine something so strong that no matter what you do you want win against even with an army..... Minato had to sacrifice his life to somewhat surpress the beast by finding a host "Naruto" to put him in...... Givin that there was barly any chakra left for him to use and his wife he decided to use the death demon seal............ Also it was stated by kisih that the tailed beast take time to actually reach there PEAK once they are realeased from there prison "host"......... So there was no time, a few more minutes and the tailed beast would have been unstoppable even with the death demon seal.

 

[sagemavs]

Wait didn't Kurama just solo 5 tailed beast or was that another manga I was reading not sure....

for me the 9 tail beast is different than the other beast, he is special, thats why he is the strongest...

For those who CBB to read - Read the Bold

Now as we all know, realistically the true strength of a tailed beast and his Jinchuuriki is not determined by the actual strength of the tailed beast, it is a combination of both of their abilities and their choice to work together that allows them to become powerful.

This removes the factor of the current fight during the war - as all tailed beasts (At least up until Edo was Released) have a Jinchuuriki to work with.

Now that is clarified we can begin to talk about the chakra available to the tailed beasts and what they really are.
I recently read a thread by @Blaze Release Wherein he determines that the tailed beasts are merely forms of spiritual energy - and do not have a physical body.

After understanding this theory, it is important to acknowledge that generally, the power of each tailed beast BY THEMSELVES (With no Jinchuuriki) is determined by the amount of tails each beast has.
This is further supported by the 8 Tails comment about the 9 tails - that the power of a Tailed beast is not determined only by the amount of tails but by the ability to work with their host. This informs us that Kurama is not working with his host at the time - he is weaker than other tailed beasts that do.
Therefore Kurama's Arrogance causes him to be weak (Alone)

In addition, the most important factor to acknowledge about Kurama's power is that his power was cut in half.
During the battle with the 4th Hokage (Minato), the 4th uses the Reaper Death Seal to seal half of the 9 Tails Chakra - evidently causing him to become halved in size.
The other half of this chakra was then sealed within Naruto - and remained with him for the rest of his life.

Now, to my knowledge, the other tailed beasts did not have any of their chakra sealed or removed from existence through being sealed - only the 9 tails lost any of his original chakra - which was sealed - halving him in size.

Therefore the chakra of the 9 tails has been halved whilst the other beast's chakra has not.
The question is up to whether or not you personally believe that the chakra of the 9 tails would be recreated in existence - (similar to what would happen if the tailed beast died with its host.)

The difference between a death and a seal, is that when the chakra is sealed - it becomes unavailable to the world - just as sealed souls are no longer available to be used in an Edo Tensei.

Therefore it is plausible to substantiate an argument that states that only half of Kurama's actual chakra is sealed - and therefore - available to Naruto, making Kurama, by himself, NOT THE STRONGEST in chakra either.

To my understanding the list might look (based on chakra) a little like this.

1, 2, 3, 4, (9), 5, 6, 7, 8
----------- 4.5------------

What do you think, and do you believe that Kurama regains his chakra over time / his being is regenerated as his chakra 'died' in the RDS?

for me the 9 tail beast is different than the other beast, he is special, thats why he is the strongest...

 

[Frikid]

umm, his chakra got sealed and we know chakra can be replenished.

 

[The Best Hokage]

True............. but there could be a huge difference between the 8 tails and 9 tails. I'm just saying because Kurama still appears to be the strongest. What I'm trying to say is something like let's imagine 8 tails power can be measured to 25 points, and 9 tails is 55, so when halved it is still stronger.

Or his chakra could just regenerate, you know like normal shinobi. Naruto gets tired from fighting so his chakra lowers, but after rest and ramen, he is back to 100%

Either way, I like this thread, but I'm looking for ways to prove that Kurama is still stronger because he seems it lol

 

[Οdin]

It's hard to believe that Kurama regenerated his Yin chakra. If he did... he should have grown in size as well.

You can see here that he dwarfs those houses.

Kurama(100%):

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Here... you can see that Kurama looks the same as when Minato took his Yin chakra.

Kurama(50%):

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This is after Minato took his Yin chakra.

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This is Kurama(50%) vs. Naruto. You can see that he looks the same as when Minato sealed him.

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Kurama(50%) Comparison:

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[dazmycheezypoof]

still cut in half, the 9 tails is stronger

 

[Fcrazy]

Kurama is the strongest beast, he can defeat 8 tails in 1x1 and already defeated 1 tail in full power just with what, 5% or minus of his chakra in part 1.

 

[naruttebayo]

completely wrong op

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

You are acting like the tails are linear in their chakra boost.

Every increase in tail is an increase in chakra and power for the tailed beasts, but it varies.

We just saw Kurama equal out the power of 5 TBB's at once.

Your logic is faulty because you assign each tailed beast a chakra level depending on their number of tails.

Think about it this way, Akatsuki planned on sealing the 9-tails last, because if they didn't, it would have messed up the balance of chakra in the Gedo Mazo statue.

No one in Akatsuki knew that Minato used the Death Reaper Seal to halve the 9-tails chakra.

So apparently a full 9-tails is more or less equal in chakra levels to 1-8 tails.

So logically half of Kurama's chakra should still be greater than any 4 of the other tailed beasts, and possibly more than the first 5.

 

[kiiroi senk0u]

there is a thing about chakra that it can recover , i guess that can answer , i seriously doubt that anybody will agree with you

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

there is a thing about chakra that it can recover , i guess that can answer , i seriously doubt that anybody will agree with you

It isn't like the chakra was used up in a battle and needs to be restored by sleeping or eating.

It was sealed. You know, as in the way Edo Tensei's are being sealed. Things don't just magically become unsealed over time.

Kurama could have full chakra, but it might just be yin (or yang, I can't remember which Minato sealed away). Or the 9-tails could just have half its chakra.

 

[thepizzaguy]

When yu compare the power of tail beasts yu have to compare them individualy (without their jinchuriki) as the host can make a huge difference depending on how strong they are so compare them as if they were released from all seals.also because kuramas chakra was sealed doesn't mean that he can't regenerate his own chakra.when naruto took over his chakra,right before he was sealed again he was able to whip up another tbb.also in the war arc yu can actualy see the power difference between the tail beast.but I don't think number of tails is the major difference because I don't think th shukaku is the weakest