Technically Kurama Isn't The Strongest Tailed Beast!

[FreeMySoul]

ur a dumbass

 

[Itachi Namikaze]

When yu compare the power of tail beasts yu have to compare them individualy (without their jinchuriki) as the host can make a huge difference depending on how strong they are so compare them as if they were released from all seals.also because kuramas chakra was sealed doesn't mean that he can't regenerate his own chakra.when naruto took over his chakra,right before he was sealed again he was able to whip up another tbb.also in the war arc yu can actualy see the power difference between the tail beast.but I don't think number of tails is the major difference because I don't think th shukaku is the weakest

The bolded parts are incorrect. The number of tails directly relates to the amount of chakra a tailed beast has.

The bijuu, not inside of a jinchurikki, are pretty linear in power. They might have elemental match-ups and type match-ups against other bijuu, but the strength and chakra is in proportion to the number of tails.

As for the 9-tails gaining back his chakra, you can't regenerate things that are sealed away. It just isn't possible, because it was SEALED, NOT USED UP.

 

[Anorien16]

If this is the skill wise power of kurama:

It would depend a lot upon the jink. as the biju is like the sun light and the jink is like the magnifying glass to concentrate the power of the sun light in a single spot and make it more effective. Increasing either biju's power or jink's skill wld increase the net power effect.

If this is the Raw power wise Kurama:

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So on.......

 

[csouvik41]

Even if it works in powers.

1x1 = 1
2x2 = 4
3x3 = 9
4x4 =16
5x5 =25
6x6= 36
7x7 = 49
8x8 = 64
9x9 = 81 / 2 = 40.5
= 1,2,3,4,5,6,(9), 7, 8

= Kurama not Strongest, which was the point of my OP. The order was always up for debate.

playing by your rules the power may be in order of

1 tails: 1
2 tails: 3
3 tails: 9
4 tails: 27
5 tails: 81
6 tails: 81x3= 243
7 tails: 243x3= 729
8 tails: 729x3=2187
9 tails: 2187x3=6561

and in that case even half of 9 tails > 8 tails....
the fact is we dont know how the power is distributed.. but we saw kurama along with naruto defeating the 5 tail bast and their host alone..

moreover kurama himself told that 8 tails is the second strongest beast which indicates that 9 tails is the strongest one...

when the 8 tailed told that the strength is not only measured by the no. of tails, i think (my personal opinion) he was referring to the fighting spirit...

so, in my opinion kurama is the strongest tailed beast (as per raw power is considered)... but even then it is possible to defeat him if the opponent(obviously a tailed beast) fights with higher fighting spirit.....

for instance if the eight tails fight in a situation where his loosing the battle means bee's death then the eight tail can better the naine tailed.....

 

[Raikiri10]

That's cool and all, but even when halved it doesn't put him "directly in the middle" of the tailed beasts and put him "In half". Because he was still "Stronger than every other tailed beast combined" in full form ,when halved he would still be strongest

Agreed 100%

 

[Dubbuoo]

For those who CBB to read - Read the Bold

Now as we all know, realistically the true strength of a tailed beast and his Jinchuuriki is not determined by the actual strength of the tailed beast, it is a combination of both of their abilities and their choice to work together that allows them to become powerful.

This removes the factor of the current fight during the war - as all tailed beasts (At least up until Edo was Released) have a Jinchuuriki to work with.

Now that is clarified we can begin to talk about the chakra available to the tailed beasts and what they really are.
I recently read a thread by @Blaze Release Wherein he determines that the tailed beasts are merely forms of spiritual energy - and do not have a physical body.

After understanding this theory, it is important to acknowledge that generally, the power of each tailed beast BY THEMSELVES (With no Jinchuuriki) is determined by the amount of tails each beast has.
This is further supported by the 8 Tails comment about the 9 tails - that the power of a Tailed beast is not determined only by the amount of tails but by the ability to work with their host. This informs us that Kurama is not working with his host at the time - he is weaker than other tailed beasts that do.
Therefore Kurama's Arrogance causes him to be weak (Alone)

In addition, the most important factor to acknowledge about Kurama's power is that his power was cut in half.
During the battle with the 4th Hokage (Minato), the 4th uses the Reaper Death Seal to seal half of the 9 Tails Chakra - evidently causing him to become halved in size.
The other half of this chakra was then sealed within Naruto - and remained with him for the rest of his life.

Now, to my knowledge, the other tailed beasts did not have any of their chakra sealed or removed from existence through being sealed - only the 9 tails lost any of his original chakra - which was sealed - halving him in size.

Therefore the chakra of the 9 tails has been halved whilst the other beast's chakra has not.
The question is up to whether or not you personally believe that the chakra of the 9 tails would be recreated in existence - (similar to what would happen if the tailed beast died with its host.)

The difference between a death and a seal, is that when the chakra is sealed - it becomes unavailable to the world - just as sealed souls are no longer available to be used in an Edo Tensei.

Therefore it is plausible to substantiate an argument that states that only half of Kurama's actual chakra is sealed - and therefore - available to Naruto, making Kurama, by himself, NOT THE STRONGEST in chakra either.

To my understanding the list might look (based on chakra) a little like this.

1, 2, 3, 4, (9), 5, 6, 7, 8
----------- 4.5------------

What do you think, and do you believe that Kurama regains his chakra over time / his being is regenerated as his chakra 'died' in the RDS?

even halfed, kurama still bawsed 5 of the tailed beast and 8 tails was struggling with just 2. this is fail

 

[Οdin]

even halfed, kurama still bawsed 5 of the tailed beast and 8 tails was struggling with just 2. this is fail

LOL 8 Tails was battered by jinchuriki... they weren't even full form. xd

 

[joshu34]

For those who CBB to read - Read the Bold

Now as we all know, realistically the true strength of a tailed beast and his Jinchuuriki is not determined by the actual strength of the tailed beast, it is a combination of both of their abilities and their choice to work together that allows them to become powerful.

This removes the factor of the current fight during the war - as all tailed beasts (At least up until Edo was Released) have a Jinchuuriki to work with.

Now that is clarified we can begin to talk about the chakra available to the tailed beasts and what they really are.
I recently read a thread by @Blaze Release Wherein he determines that the tailed beasts are merely forms of spiritual energy - and do not have a physical body.

After understanding this theory, it is important to acknowledge that generally, the power of each tailed beast BY THEMSELVES (With no Jinchuuriki) is determined by the amount of tails each beast has.
This is further supported by the 8 Tails comment about the 9 tails - that the power of a Tailed beast is not determined only by the amount of tails but by the ability to work with their host. This informs us that Kurama is not working with his host at the time - he is weaker than other tailed beasts that do.
Therefore Kurama's Arrogance causes him to be weak (Alone)

In addition, the most important factor to acknowledge about Kurama's power is that his power was cut in half.
During the battle with the 4th Hokage (Minato), the 4th uses the Reaper Death Seal to seal half of the 9 Tails Chakra - evidently causing him to become halved in size.
The other half of this chakra was then sealed within Naruto - and remained with him for the rest of his life.

Now, to my knowledge, the other tailed beasts did not have any of their chakra sealed or removed from existence through being sealed - only the 9 tails lost any of his original chakra - which was sealed - halving him in size.

Therefore the chakra of the 9 tails has been halved whilst the other beast's chakra has not.
The question is up to whether or not you personally believe that the chakra of the 9 tails would be recreated in existence - (similar to what would happen if the tailed beast died with its host.)

The difference between a death and a seal, is that when the chakra is sealed - it becomes unavailable to the world - just as sealed souls are no longer available to be used in an Edo Tensei.

Therefore it is plausible to substantiate an argument that states that only half of Kurama's actual chakra is sealed - and therefore - available to Naruto, making Kurama, by himself, NOT THE STRONGEST in chakra either.

To my understanding the list might look (based on chakra) a little like this.

1, 2, 3, 4, (9), 5, 6, 7, 8
----------- 4.5------------

What do you think, and do you believe that Kurama regains his chakra over time / his being is regenerated as his chakra 'died' in the RDS?

i don't understand what u're trying to prove here........

i mean if u're trying to prove kurama isn't the strongest,then your'e wrong.

you said because kurama's chakra is halved,he is not the strongest.......i don't understand,really!

even with his half chakra he solo'ed five tailed beasts,along with their jinchiruki hosts.:shrug:

edit:so the question you pose is whether kurama's chakra is regenerated over time?you should change the title of this thread.......

well your question is a logical one,but the manga provides evidence for no such thing.so,i don't think so either.

 

[Dubbuoo]

LOL 8 Tails was battered by jinchuriki... they weren't even full form. xd

lol xd
NEW list
1. 9 tails
2. 7 tails
3. 6 tails
4. 5 tails
5. 4 tails
6. 3 tails
7. 2 tails
8. 1 tails
9. 8 tails

 

[Frikid]

It's hard to believe that Kurama regenerated his Yin chakra. If he did... he should have grown in size as well.

You can see here that he dwarfs those houses.

Kurama(100%):

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Here... you can see that Kurama looks the same as when Minato took his Yin chakra.

Kurama(50%):

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This is after Minato took his Yin chakra.

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This is Kurama(50%) vs. Naruto. You can see that he looks the same as when Minato sealed him.

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Kurama(50%) Comparison:

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they all look the same size to me LOL

 

[Οdin]

they all look the same size to me LOL

They're not. The first picture is the most important one. Look at it carefully. You can see that Kurama looks extremely large... way bigger than the other pictures.

 

[Rikodu senin madara]

Current kurama isn't showing any signs of less chakra,less strength or size shrinkage as it is still same size or bigger than hachibi. Even pain didnt imagine an 8 tail kurama would still be that powerful so i think its chakra regenerated and its still the strongest bijuu.

 

[Οdin]

they all look the same size to me LOL

New angle.

Naruto's Rasengan is almost as large as Kurama:

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Kurama in this picture dwarfs those houses. Tell me... you think that Naruto's Rasengan is really that large? :|

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[King Cobra]

Kurama is the best in the world
Nuff said don't need to argue everybody else is doin it for me

 

[hiitz]

Stupid Thread!

 

[takiyacrowz]

Technically this thread is fail

 

[dhaoracle]

New angle.

Naruto's Rasengan is almost as large as Kurama:

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Kurama in this picture dwarfs those houses. Tell me... you think that Naruto's Rasengan is really that large? :|

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I think that you are correct and everyone should just accept that with all of the evidence that you are showing.

I think that Kurama's full power is half of the Jubi's power so that would mean that would mean that even with 25% of the Juubi's power he would still pawn and outdo 5 bijuus like he already did. That would put the Hachibi at 15% - Shukaku at 1%. I know that it is a wild theory but it only makes sense to me that even with half of his power that he would still be able to boss 5 bijuu.

But I have a theory. My theory is that since Tobi has the Kin and Gin Brothers who both have a part of Kurama's Yin Chakra that they will be the source from where Kurama regenerates his Yin Chakra back. Even that small portion of chakra is enough to mix with his Yang half and regenerate his chakra probably in an instant.

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[NeedAnime]

Kurama > 8 ,7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, Konoha....

 

[Roby]

Prove that his chakra comes back, where is it ever stated. The chakra was sealed by RDS.

Half was sealed simply cos baby narutos body couldnt handle full kurama ... manga HAS proven that chakra returns intime to all living things tail beasts aswell aka 8tails vs sasuke.. 8 tails was getting low on chakra there and yet now hes back full... It doesnt mean that sealed chakra is gone for good.. it was nececary to seal half in order to prevent naruto turning into kurama right away... should naruto been adult minato could have sealed entire kurama into narutos body..

 

[Scooby Doo]

IMO Kurama is the strongest.