[VS] Team Whitebeard vs the 3 Admirals (READ FIRST)

[arv993]

WB vs Akainu = Akainu can hold him for a long time.

Marco + Jozu vs Aokiji , Aokiji holds them off (possibly beats them as well)

Strawhats + Law + Sabo vs Kizaru

Sabo is the big factor on the Whitebeard side, from those who aren't from WB pirates. From hype/portrayal, I would say Kizaru can beat them, and then proceed to help Aokiji.

stop wanking the admirals so hard. im glad most normal ppl as seen through the polls dont think admirals win this one. aokiji is not beating marco + jozu no way. marco alone can take on kizaru to extreme diff due to his DF. add in jozu they dont lose.

sabo+ luffy + law especially with law and his DF as a support can beat kizaru. luffy is a monster in G4 aand its dangerous with law helping him.

 

[KingHashirama]

Nope. Oda had two different people comment on the cause of WB's heart attack, Marco and Akainu. Marco said "I knew his condition was getting this bad," and Akainu said "Even you can't escape old age." Never was there any indication that the stab triggered the heart attack, only emphasis that it was old age. Stabbed in the chest or not, that heart attack was gonna happen anyways.

What exactly do you mean by "nope"...... the man literally coughed up blood from his mouth.. and was seen covering the chest hole in pain, before getting into the battle. Guess what happened in the battle? He coughed blood again. I don't see how Marco's statement contradicts or provides a counter to that.. considering the fact Common freaking sense, would tell you that a person who is sick , and gets a whole in his chest would obviously be getting worst.


Its hilarious when people try to act like the hole in WB's chest before the battle didn't affect him. my ass it didn't. It was ODA himself who also showed it affecting him. Unless you can provide a scan where Whitebeard coughs blood from the sickness normally.


@bold, provide the proof then. Provide the scan where he has a heart attack without the hole. To claim such thing, requires you to have proof.


Also the whole statement about "Blood means nothing in one piece". suurrreee.. except it indicates the amount of damage taken from the hit.

stop wanking the admirals so hard. im glad most normal ppl as seen through the polls dont think admirals win this one. aokiji is not beating marco + jozu no way. marco alone can take on kizaru to extreme diff due to his DF. add in jozu they dont lose.

sabo+ luffy + law especially with law and his DF as a support can beat kizaru. luffy is a monster in G4 aand its dangerous with law helping him.

You can easily stop wanking the whitebeard pirates so hard.. instead of telling me to stop wanking the Admirals.

If this were Shanks/Kaido/Big mom vs team whitebeard.. you and many others would go for the Yonko.

Marco puts down Kizaru? my ass he does. The dude was easily made useless in the war (something that won't happen to an admiral)

 

[arv993]

What exactly do you mean by "nope"...... the man literally coughed up blood from his mouth.. and was seen covering the chest hole in pain, before getting into the battle. Guess what happened in the battle? He coughed blood again. I don't see how Marco's statement contradicts or provides a counter to that.. considering the fact Common freaking sense, would tell you that a person who is sick , and gets a whole in his chest would obviously be getting worst.


Its hilarious when people try to act like the hole in WB's chest before the battle didn't affect him. my ass it didn't. It was ODA himself who also showed it affecting him. Unless you can provide a scan where Whitebeard coughs blood from the sickness normally.


@bold, provide the proof then. Provide the scan where he has a heart attack without the hole. To claim such thing, requires you to have proof.


Also the whole statement about "Blood means nothing in one piece". suurrreee.. except it indicates the amount of damage taken from the hit.



You can easily stop wanking the whitebeard pirates so hard.. instead of telling me to stop wanking the Admirals.

If this were Shanks/Kaido/Big mom vs team whitebeard.. you and many others would go for the Yonko.

Marco puts down Kizaru? my ass he does. The dude was easily made useless in the war (something that won't happen to an admiral)

why did kizaru request help lol. yea yonko> admirals most fans are normal and can see through that. what are you gonna say next akainu= kaidou. fujitora= shanks. i hope you can understand the manga better than that but i never know with admiral fans on this base they are usually the most vocal minority in NB.

i guess the two dudes who voted for team admirals are u and riker lmao.

oh yea how is kizaru hurting him when he doesnt have help from his VA's. in this case marco has a lot of help. marco is even hypeed by gorosei to be a potential pirate who can take down BB with his two fruits. the guy cant be hurt(atleast by admirals, garp did more damage than any admiral) and marco cant do too much damage on kizaru which is called a stalemate. but oh yea he has a lot of help. especially from guys like jozu who can deal a ton of damage especially if its a 2v1.

 

[KingHashirama]

why did kizaru request help lol. yea yonko> admirals most fans are normal and can see through that.

oh yea how is kizaru hurting him when he doesnt have help from his VA's. in this case marco has a lot of help. marco is even hypeed by gorosei to be a potential pirate who can take down BB with his two fruits. the guy cant be hurt and marco cant do too much damage on kizaru which is called a stalemate. but oh yea he has a lot of help

Kizaru requested help? He just told a VA to put the cuffs on Marco, making Marco literally useless for the rest of the war.. Marco got lucky that Kizaru didn't kill him while he had the cuffs on.. rofl.

The VA EASILY put the cuffs on Marco.. "need help from a VA".. what help? rofl. they were in a war, not a 1 vs 1. Blaming Kizaru for being smart?

 

[arv993]

Kizaru requested help? He just told a VA to put the cuffs on Marco, making Marco literally useless for the rest of the war.. Marco got lucky that Kizaru didn't kill him while he had the cuffs on.. rofl.

The VA EASILY put the cuffs on Marco.. "need help from a VA".. what help? rofl. they were in a war, not a 1 vs 1. Blaming Kizaru for being smart?

thats help are u blind. he requested it from someone else it wasnt a 1v1 if another random dude just came to help him. kizau couldnt hurt him even with his back turned on him. but had to use seastone cuffs from a VA.

kizaru isnt better than marco if he cant even hurt him when marco is not paying attention, he used external help

my main point is how is he doing that with marco paying full attention plus having a really strong pirate to help. u really need to understand scenarios not just blindly support admirals.

 

[TenseiganFTW]

WB alone has a OP DF which makes things go on WB team side.

Bigger dmg on area.

Law can throw his shoe in sea.Before it falls shambles Akainu with it...Akainu drowns in water,2 admirals left LOL

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Lol does Riker Slade really believe that WB having a huge sword shoved through his chest is going to have no effect on WB?

 

[LBeezy]

What exactly do you mean by "nope"...... the man literally coughed up blood from his mouth.. and was seen covering the chest hole in pain, before getting into the battle. Guess what happened in the battle? He coughed blood again. I don't see how Marco's statement contradicts or provides a counter to that.. considering the fact Common freaking sense, would tell you that a person who is sick , and gets a whole in his chest would obviously be getting worst.


Its hilarious when people try to act like the hole in WB's chest before the battle didn't affect him. my ass it didn't. It was ODA himself who also showed it affecting him. Unless you can provide a scan where Whitebeard coughs blood from the sickness normally.


@bold, provide the proof then. Provide the scan where he has a heart attack without the hole. To claim such thing, requires you to have proof.


Also the whole statement about "Blood means nothing in one piece". suurrreee.. except it indicates the amount of damage taken from the hit.

Lol does Riker Slade really believe that WB having a huge sword shoved through his chest is going to have no effect on WB?

Lmao! I know right.. it's really becoming sad though at this point.


"Stabs in the chest don't do anything." :sdo:

 

[Punk Hazard]

What exactly do you mean by "nope"...... the man literally coughed up blood from his mouth..

Already explained before how meaningless a character coughing up blood is. Luffy's punch to Garp drew more blood than Squard's stab to WB. Law said Counter Shock didn't work on Vergo despite it covering his face in blood, which inconsistently changed in splatter size throughout panels on the same page, and Doflamingo coughed up blood from a superfluous attacks that had no effect on him in the long run. The only significant times WB coughed up blood was when he was having a heart attack, which is only significant because they were during heart attacks.

and was seen covering the chest hole in pain, before getting into the battle.

The sword never pierced his chest.

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And of course he held the wound, it's a giant gaping hole in his stomach, it will cause pain. The notion that it caused his heart attack, however, was dismissed by Oda having two characters, one with in-depth knowledge on WB's condition and worsening health, attributed something else to the heart attack and by Oda having WB laugh off the notion that the stab was serious.

Guess what happened in the battle? He coughed blood again. I don't see how Marco's statement contradicts or provides a counter to that.. considering the fact Common freaking sense, would tell you that a person who is sick , and gets a whole in his chest would obviously be getting worst.

Covered above. If the heart attack played a serious role in WB's health, Oda would have gave some indication to it. Yeah, it's common sense to assume that the stab played a role. I don't think the assumption is valid because Oda had WB dismiss it and the heart attacks were attributed to his age. Even if the stab played a role in the timing of the heart attack, as LBeezy said, Akainu would still be able to outlast WB, especially when WB's health was low enough that his reactions dropped to allowing Squard to strike WB without some attack from before.

If WB's health, with no other stabs or damage, ailed enough to let someone as weak as Squard to get a blow in one Whitebeard, one that you think could trigger his heart attack, then why would the same not happen for Akainu during an extended fight? And if the sword could trigger a heart attack, why wouldn't Akainu's attack do even worse? Either way, it still stands that Akainu would be able to outlast Whitebeard, and if

Also the whole statement about "Blood means nothing in one piece". suurrreee.. except it indicates the amount of damage taken from the hit.

So you think Luffy's punch to Garp caused more damage than Red Hawk did to Doflamingo?

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Lol does Riker Slade really believe that WB having a huge sword shoved through his chest is going to have no effect on WB?

Zero effect? Nope. Did it cause the heart attack? Manga suggests the opposite.

 

[LBeezy]

Already explained before how meaningless a character coughing up blood is. Luffy's punch to Garp drew more blood than Squard's stab to WB. Law said Counter Shock didn't work on Vergo despite it covering his face in blood, which inconsistently changed in splatter size throughout panels on the same page, and Doflamingo coughed up blood from a superfluous attacks that had no effect on him in the long run. The only significant times WB coughed up blood was when he was having a heart attack, which is only significant because they were during heart attacks.


The sword never pierced his chest.

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And of course he held the wound, it's a giant gaping hole in his stomach, it will cause pain. The notion that it caused his heart attack, however, was dismissed by Oda having two characters, one with in-depth knowledge on WB's condition and worsening health, attributed something else to the heart attack and by Oda having WB laugh off the notion that the stab was serious.


Covered above. If the heart attack played a serious role in WB's health, Oda would have gave some indication to it. Yeah, it's common sense to assume that the stab played a role. I don't think the assumption is valid because Oda had WB dismiss it and the heart attacks were attributed to his age. Even if the stab played a role in the timing of the heart attack, as LBeezy said, Akainu would still be able to outlast WB, especially when WB's health was low enough that his reactions dropped to allowing Squard to strike WB without some attack from before.

If WB's health, with no other stabs or damage, ailed enough to let someone as weak as Squard to get a blow in one Whitebeard, one that you think could trigger his heart attack, then why would the same not happen for Akainu during an extended fight? And if the sword could trigger a heart attack, why wouldn't Akainu's attack do even worse? Either way, it still stands that Akainu would be able to outlast Whitebeard, and if



So you think Luffy's punch to Garp caused more damage than Red Hawk did to Doflamingo?

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Zero effect? Nope. Did it cause the heart attack? Manga suggests the opposite.

You know what... I'm not even gonna lie, this is the first post that is actually making me lean over to the old age/health conditions being the main factor for the heart attack..

I've always felt like both the stab, and his age/sickness played equal roles in causing the heart attack.. but damn, actually looking at the scan again right now, Squardos stab looks like it barely did anything to WB.

Plus the scans of other characters coughing up blood is good proof that it doesn't really matter if blood is coughed up to decide on how powerful an attack was..

Idk.. but looking at this post, and the evidence provided, I might have to apologize to you Riker.. I think you may be right on this age/health/sickness being the real sole cause of the heart attack. That stab from Squardo looks like it did barely anything to WB for real.


Don't get me wrong, I still think WB > Akainu..

But it seems like your 100% right on this heart attack thing. (Maybe not the stab alone, but just the overall amount of fighting and damage played a part.. but the age/health/sickness has to be the main reason.)

 

[Punk Hazard]

You know what... I'm not even gonna lie, this is the first post that is actually making me lean over to the old age/health conditions being the main factor for the heart attack..

I've always felt like both the stab, and his age/sickness played equal roles in causing the heart attack.. but damn, actually looking at the scan again right now, Squardos stab looks like it barely did anything to WB.

Plus the scans of other characters coughing up blood is good proof that it doesn't really matter if blood is coughed up to decide on how powerful an attack was..

Idk.. but looking at this post, and the evidence provided, I might have to apologize to you Riker.. I think you may be right on this age/health/sickness being the real sole cause of the heart attack. That stab from Squardo looks like it did barely anything to WB for real.


Don't get me wrong, I still think WB > Akainu..

But it seems like your 100% right on this heart attack thing. (Maybe not the stab alone, but just the overall amount of fighting and damage played a part.. but the age/health/sickness has to be the main reason.)

Like I said, it's not farfetched to assume the stab played a role. I just don't think it does because of how much Oda neglected it while going out of his way to include mentions of how WB's health was deteriorating through the war. WB's health was just lapsing all over the place. It's not farfetched to think that something minor could cause a hiccup. His body is old and isn't working properly, even hiccups can be big. I acknowledge that there's always the possibility that the stab played a role(especially in your timing argument) since there was no explicit scan or panel saying it didn't, just implications that I've interpreted to indicate that it hasn't. Not to say that you guys are wrong, more that I have my own particular interpretation of the events that I lean towards. Sorry if there was any hostility.

 

[KingHashirama]

And of course he held the wound, it's a giant gaping hole in his stomach, it will cause pain. The notion that it caused his heart attack, however, was dismissed by Oda having two characters, one with in-depth knowledge on WB's condition and worsening health, attributed something else to the heart attack and by Oda having WB laugh off the notion that the stab was serious.

Whitebeard's coughing of blood comes from the fact that he a head size hole under his chest, cutting off proper blood flow. You trying to compare this to Garp and Doflamingo, doesn't even make any sense at all. You're comparing somebody coughing because they have huge hole in their body, to someone bleeding because they got punches.. Are you kidding me mate?

Now you're clinging on to Marco's statement and so on. And then you bring in Akainu (though his statement is really irrelevant) , in order try to prove wrong the claim of the hole under the chest playing a part in Whitebeard's "heart attack". And then you're claiming he was already showing weakness or w.e, because even somebody like Squardo was able to hit him, so whats stopping Akainu and etc. Issue is the following:

1. Squardo is Whitebeard's member, he has full trust in him. His focus is also on the battlefield and not on squardo. Marco ASSUMED it had to do with Whitebeard's condition.. but really it didn't, nothing was shown about him not being good enough or w.e. Why was Squardo able to attack Whitebeard? Because of Whitebeard's trust in his sons. (you will try to bring in Scans of Ace and so on trying to attempt murder at Whitebeard, but they are irrelevant, as Ace was always trying to hit Whitebeard, while Squardo wasn't.). His Sons are his weakness, that is why Akainu was smart to go with the plan. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE MANGA INDICATING SQUARDO BEING ABLE TO STAB WHITEBEARD HAS TO DO WITH WHITEBEARD'S HEALTH, EXCEPT FOR MARCO'S ASSUMPTION... MARCO'S ASSUMPTION IS DEBUNKED BY THE FACT CROC GOT COUNTERED BY WHITEBEARD.

2. You claim Oda has Whitebeard laugh the chest thing off as if it weren't serious. Yet there is no scan in the manga where Whitebeard goes "Hahahahahahahahhahaha the stab wasn't serious yo, lets continue fighting"... Instead Oda showed, Whitebeard starting to sweat buckets after the stab, and then showing pain from the stab (blood from mouth being part of it), and then showing Whitebeard's endurance and will to endure through it to take on the Marines. Nowhere does Oda show the Stab didn't do shit to Whitebeard. As a head size whole under your chest would do immense damage to your body.

3. You talk about the heart attack. But what came before the hear attack? coughing of blood. In a normal heart attack coughing of blood doesn't happen mate. What was the reason of that coughing of blood? A huge whole under his chest, similar to how he coughed up blood before. Do you understand the fact that a huge whole in your body will weaken your entire body, as far as "health" goes, especially when you are already sick?


4. The scan where Squardo Stabs whitebeard, doesn't show the full damage done. It is the scan after that, that shows the hole under his chest, and how big exactly it was.


Irrelevant points in your post, that literally have nothing to do with what I said mate:

If WB's health, with no other stabs or damage, ailed enough to let someone as weak as Squard to get a blow in one Whitebeard, one that you think could trigger his heart attack, then why would the same not happen for Akainu during an extended fight? And if the sword could trigger a heart attack, why wouldn't Akainu's attack do even worse? Either way, it still stands that Akainu would be able to outlast Whitebeard, and if

Your Lack Of Evidence:

1. You have no evidence that Whitebeard would've had that heart attack without a huge hole under his chest. Saying "it would've happened anyway", isn't evidence.

2. You have no evidence that Whitebeard would let his guard down against Akainu, in a long fight, like he did with Squardo.
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[ToshiZO]

Ranking these characters:

Itd be

1A:Akainu
1B:Kizaru
1C:Aokiji

2.Old and Sick WB (Not sure what better health is supposed to mean, is he fully healthy? If he is what he was at the start of MF, then he is definitely < the 3 Admirals)

3.Marco

4. Sabo

5.Jozu

6.Luffy

7.Law

8.Zoro

9.Sanji

rest

As for who wins, WB's team has an overwhelming numbers advantage but it starts with your strongest member, and any one of the 3 Admirals can finish off WB. Still though that's an overwhelming amount of strong characters to deal with.

 

[Bogard]

Team WB stomps

WB high diff Akainu
Marco stalls Kizaru
Sabo and Luffy defeat Kuzan(Sabo's fire ability makes him a great match-up for Kuzan and with g4's power, he'd end up overwhelmed especially since Sabo can at the very least stall him by himself, so he can handle Kuzan the time Luffy recovers whenever he runs out)

After that Kizaru gets killed

The rest aren't really needed. If you add the rest it's a stomp