So you think fodder could accomplish what Akainu couldn't? Since you're basically saying Akainu wouldn't have been able to hit WB again while the fodder could.
Fodder hadn't got hit with an Island splitting quake before hand.......
Those aren't legitimate Ws though. If that was the case, I could say Yeti Cool Bros are better than Zoro, since people using WB jumping Akainu as end-all-be-all proof that WB is better than Akainu.
Those are legit Ws, you're damage controlling. That's like me damage controlling WB that he only lost round 1 because of his health condition. You don't need the jump to prove that WB is better, reading comprehension and and a bit of common sense is all you need.
Yes but that first major blew isn't legitimate due to it being from a jump. Akainu has matched and deflected blows from WB prior to that, so it is not farfetched to say that had it not been a jump, WB's first major blow would not have gone through as it did. And no, at best for WB it was a tie. The reason I chock that up as a L to WB is because he left in worst condition than Akainu did.
You keep on talking about legitimate but it doesn't matter in this case, Whitebeard won, I'm bot debating if it was legit or not. Plus if you want to play that card. Akainu's didn't legit overpower WB, he had Squard stab him on top of only exploiting his illness on top of having all the Marines target him. You are DAMAGE CONTROLLING.
It doesn't matter why they failed to hurt Akainu, the fact of the matter is they failed to do so period and there's no doubt they were superior as a group to the group that killed WB. The bolded is complete speculation, especially since by that point, their wills were reinvigorated because they found a new goal that was just as important as freeing Ace: Protecting Luffy, the living remnant of Ace's will. So while their spirits were dropped by the deaths of their two nakama, the will to protect Luffy substituted in and sparked their fire again. Even if that were true, it wouldn't be applicable to this scenario.
They couldn't hit Akainu period because of their haki. So the whole point of Akainu fighting loses a lot of legitimacy when none of them can harm him, give the WB phasing and the BB pirates no haki or SS WB lives through his encounter. While if you make Akainu solid he dies against Marco and co. There will were not reinvigorated, the goal of protecting Luffy isn't overcoming the death of WB. Ace, Oars and many others. Marco before Ace's death could easily hit Kuzan and Kizaru and after he can't even make Akainu flinch with a clean hit.
And no, they're not irrelevant. WB was murdered by them, that by default means that if Akainu was too weak to have been able to kill WB if the ground hadn't broken away, then he was weaker than Teach and his group of rookie cronies.
Did you even read what I said? Like deadass did you even read. Akainu at that point at had just gotten his shit rocked by WB and at that point the momentum was in favor. Please don't use this dumb logic, you think Teach's crew using pistols only are wayyy above Teach? Because Teach himself was losing to WB before that.......He was losing badly
Those are legit Ws, you're damage controlling. That's like me damage controlling WB that he only lost round 1 because of his health condition. You don't need the jump to prove that WB is better, reading comprehension and and a bit of common sense is all you need.
His heart attack was a legitimate weakness. Legitimate weakness=/=getting jumped.
You keep on talking about legitimate but it doesn't matter in this case, Whitebeard won, I'm bot debating if it was legit or not. Plus if you want to play that card. Akainu's didn't legit overpower WB, he had Squard stab him on top of only exploiting his illness on top of having all the Marines target him. You are DAMAGE CONTROLLING.
Squard's stab did nothing to Whitebeard. The heart attack was caused by WB's general old age, which is a legitimate weakness. Legitimacy matters in VS debates.
They couldn't hit Akainu period because of their haki. So the whole point of Akainu fighting loses a lot of legitimacy when none of them can harm him, give the WB phasing and the BB pirates no haki or SS WB lives through his encounter. While if you make Akainu solid he dies against Marco and co. There will were not reinvigorated, the goal of protecting Luffy isn't overcoming the death of WB. Ace, Oars and many others. Marco before Ace's death could easily hit Kuzan and Kizaru and after he can't even make Akainu flinch with a clean hit. [/FONT
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You saw nothing of the fight. To say that none of them had Haki is a huge speculation, which doesn't fly in VS debates as a legit argument.
Also, yes they were reinvigorated.
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Protecting Luffy was just as important to them as protecting Ace.
Did you even read what I said? Like deadass did you even read. Akainu at that point at had just gotten his shit rocked by WB and at that point the momentum was in favor. Please don't use this dumb logic, you think Teach's crew using pistols only are wayyy above Teach? Because Teach himself was losing to WB before that.......He was losing badly
Akainu got "shit rocked" by the sneak attack and was able to spring up and take half of Whitebeard's face. The momentum, just like the first fight, was changing pace back and forth, this one was just rapid. WB landed a sneak blow, Akainu took his face, then WB hit him again and destroyed the ground, causing Akainu to fall.
And no, Teach wasn't losing badly. He took WB's Quake head on, and was unfazed. He took WB's slash and then his another Quake, causing him to roll on the ground in pain. Even a Jet Pistol from Luffy caused the same reaction to Teach earlier that day. Teach ALWAYS reacts with great pain to attacks he sustains, and then always springs back up to continue fighting. That's what happened with WB. He had his crew jump in because he's a coward.
Still not straight overpowering him. But it doesn't matter at the end of the day you are damage controlling.
Squard's stab did nothing to Whitebeard. The heart attack was caused by WB's general old age, which is a legitimate weakness. Legitimacy matters in VS debates.
You have no proof that any of them did, to say they don't have haki isn't bad speculation at all. Plus most people say the likes of Ace who was superior to all of them bar Marco and Vitsa didn't have haki but they get the benefit of the doubt? Okay Riker.
Also, yes they were reinvigorated.
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Protecting Luffy was just as important to them as protecting Ace.
They weren't fully, wanting to protect Luffy isn't fully restoring their crushed spirit from losing both Ace and WB.
Akainu got "shit rocked" by the sneak attack and was able to spring up and take half of Whitebeard's face. The momentum, just like the first fight, was changing pace back and forth, this one was just rapid. WB landed a sneak blow, Akainu took his face, then WB hit him again and destroyed the ground, causing Akainu to fall.
>WB punches
>Akainu shrugs off attack
>Akainu takes half of his face
>WB quakes him
>Akainu is visibly hurt
The momentum was in WB's favor at the end.
And no, Teach wasn't losing badly. He took WB's Quake head on, and was unfazed. He took WB's slash and then his another Quake, causing him to roll on the ground in pain. Even a Jet Pistol from Luffy caused the same reaction to Teach earlier that day. Teach ALWAYS reacts with great pain to attacks he sustains, and then always springs back up to continue fighting. That's what happened with WB. He had his crew jump in because he's a coward.
>Teach takes one quake.
>They fight close range.
>Teach negates his DF.
>WB slashes Teach and Teach yells in pain.
>WB quakes Teach's head.
>Teaches finally realizes he can't beat a half dead WB.
>Gets his crew to shoot WB.
Teach tired to fight WB one one one and got his ass beat so he got his crew to attack WhiteBeard.
Wb team wins med to high diff, that is far too many fighter for the admirals to fight against. All team wb has to do is play defense around WB's power and they win. Law sets up and defends so well in a team fight, I am sure the admirals can work wel together but they seem more like individual fighters to me. Even jozu and marco were able to hold off an admiral each for a good chunk of time and had they not gotten distracted by WBs heart attack they would have still been able to fight.
If those two hold off kizaru and aokiji the rest of the fighters beat akainu pretty quick and then continue until the admirals are done.
mainly depends on the synergy of the admirals. If they synergize very well this might go extreme but i really dont see them being that good together.
Admirals have more fire power. Aokiji should be able to deal with Marco/Jozu (as in hold them off). While Akainu holds off Whitebeard. Then Kizaru finishes off the SH and Law.. Kizaru then helps out Aokiji and they both finish off Marco/Jozu.. then 3 vs 1 Whitebeard.. GG
None of the admirals are dieing here.
^^^^^^ In this scenario all the admirals are full on serious as to their fight. So not a kizaru who is chilling while attacking or a calm/chill aokiji. Full power going at it.
Though i wonder ifAokiji can finish off Marco and Jozu. Would be interesting. Plus, that elemental gang up trololololololo.
WhiteBeard will take on one, Sabo and Novas take on one and Marco, Jozu & rest take on the last... All Admirals will be dealt with eventually without any causalities IMO.
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No one, I repeat no one solos the 3 Admirals, not even two at once...
A stalemate is possible in some scenarios against 2 Admirals though, if it's ridiculously fan-hyped Prime Roger...
And no, Teach wasn't losing badly. He took WB's Quake head on, and was unfazed. He took WB's slash and then his another Quake, causing him to roll on the ground in pain. Even a Jet Pistol from Luffy caused the same reaction to Teach earlier that day. Teach ALWAYS reacts with great pain to attacks he sustains, and then always springs back up to continue fighting. That's what happened with WB. He had his crew jump in because he's a coward.
It all happened as you mentioned but in the end WB had Teach's head in his hand and he was about to blow it to smithereens just when Teach's crew interfered...
And this is a VS battle. I'm not saying what happened didn't happen, but in a VS match-up, illegitimate charges like jumping someone aren't viable arguments. Otherwise, if someone makes a thread saying Yeti Cool Brothers vs Zoro, I can say "Eh, they stomped Zoro once through jumping, they win."
Sword through the chest done nothing........
Sword through the chest not aggravating chest and hear conditions.....
When WB had his heart attack, Marco said he knew something like that was gonna happen because of WB's old age, and Akainu said that even WB can't escape old age. When Squard was crying over stabbing WB, WB laughed at the notion that Squard thought that would be enough to stop him. When the Marines stabbed him SEVERAL times in the chest, he once again bemused that they thought something like that would be enough to stop him[
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]. Given that every explanation as to why his condition worsened Akainu was old age, with Oda bothering to draw people giving explanations at all but not bothering to include Squard stabbing WB as one, yeah, it's safe to say that Squard's stab played virtually no role because of weak Squard is.
You have no proof that any of them did, to say they don't have haki isn't bad speculation at all. Plus most people say the likes of Ace who was superior to all of them bar Marco and Vitsa didn't have haki but they get the benefit of the doubt? Okay Riker.
They get the benefit of the doubt because, unlike Ace, they weren't in situations where Haki was specifically needed and then shown explicitly not using Haki. While they required Haki against Akainu, nothing shows them not using Haki is such a situation. They have given no reason to doubt that they use Haki, which Ace has done.
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Yes they were. When WB and Ace died, they were just standing around crying. After Marco yells out that protecting Luffy is their new goal, they were went back to fighting harder than ever. Which makes more sense than saying they wouldn't have. After failing to stop the deaths of both Whitebeard and Ace, they would be feeling immeasurable amounts of sadness and guilt. Protecting Luffy in the place of protecting Ace would atone for that failure. Not a single one of them are faltering, all of them look as convicted as they did at the start of the war. You saying their spirits were weak is blatantly incorrect.
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Show me a single sign in those panels of their spirits being weak.
>WB punches
>Akainu shrugs off attack
>Akainu takes half of his face
>WB quakes him
>Akainu is visibly hurt
Nope. Both were just standing(or laying) around as the ground broke and Akainu fell in. Had the ground not been broken, Akainu could have just sprung back up and continue fighting, as he did right before while also appearing to be stunned on the ground. It's pretty much a given that Akainu would have been able to spring back up, as the bottom of the cavern was filled with water[
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Please stop, this is too much.
>Teach takes one quake.
>They fight close range.
>Teach negates his DF.
>WB slashes Teach and Teach yells in pain.
>WB quakes Teach's head.
>Teaches finally realizes he can't beat a half dead WB.
>Gets his crew to shoot WB.
Teach tired to fight WB one one one and got his ass beat so he got his crew to attack WhiteBeard.
They never fought close range. WB threw a Quake, he isn't fazed, he stops WB's powers by touching him, and WB slashes at him, then launches a Quake into him at point blank range, which causes Teach to roll in agony. Teach then has his crew shoot at WB because he's a coward. He knows he lacks the firepower to contend with WB's firepower. Bear in mind this is the same Teach who took direct shockwaves from Sengoku at point blank range and was largely unfazed.
It all happened as you mentioned but in the end WB had Teach's head in his hand and he was about to blow it to smithereens just when Teach's crew interfered...
Was Akainu held WSM title? I thought, you of all people said title mean everything?!
Because you see, only based on WSS title, you put Mihawk stronger than all swordsman!!
Was Akainu held WSM title? I think, you of all people said title mean everything?!
Because you see, only based on WSS title, you put Mihawk stronger than all swordsman!!
Please stop talking like that, it makes me physically sick.
WB expressed that his title no longer applied to him because while his body contained the same amount of power, it could no longer keep up with it. That's why during his first clash with Akainu, they were matching blows and then WB's body gave out on him. While his DF was just as strong as in his youth, he couldn't exert himself as much then, so he couldn't make full use of his might. That's why Akainu wins. As powerful as MF WB was, Akainu outlasts him every time; WB's body definitely gives out before Akainu's does.
Please stop talking like that, it makes me physically sick.
WB expressed that his title no longer applied to him because while his body contained the same amount of power, it could no longer keep up with it. That's why during his first clash with Akainu, they were matching blows and then WB's body gave out on him. While his DF was just as strong as in his youth, he couldn't exert himself as much then, so he couldn't make full use of his might. That's why Akainu wins. As powerful as MF WB was, Akainu outlasts him every time; WB's body definitely gives out before Akainu's does.
And WB himself said "It's not like I was going to be the WSM forever I'm just one man with one heart." Indicating that since his health hit its low, he personally renounced the title. Also, WB wasn't having heart attacks when he was introduced. His state there was much better than at MF, considering he went from clashing with Shanks to failing to react to Squard.
Titles don't mean anything when we have multiple explicit cases of it not applying anymore.
And WB himself said "It's not like I was going to be the WSM forever I'm just one man with one heart." Indicating that since his health hit its low, he personally renounced the title.
Titles don't mean anything when we have multiple explicit cases of it not applying anymore.
I can't believe this ... I thought, you said WB will beat Shanks because he was WSM .... so, we take "self declaration" as final option? Then, that means, Doffy actually Admiral lvl, because he believe he can take down Fujitora.
I can't believe this ... I thought, you said WB will beat Shanks because he was WSM .... so, we take "self declaration" as final option? Then, that means, Doffy actually Admiral lvl, because he believe he can take down Fujitora.
What? Of course WB saying "I'm not as strong as I used to be," is final option, who would know better than WB that he isn't as strong as he once was? Statements like Doflamingo saying he's strong enough to be Fujitora should always be taken with a grain of salt, overhyping is a thing. I have to see a character underhype their own strength. Why would WB say he isn't as good as he used to be, to himself, in his own mind, if it wasn't true? Are you saying WB is so stupid he'd think to himself "I'm not the strongest anymore," when his abilities didn't decrease that much?
What? Of course WB saying "I'm not as strong as I used to be," is final option, who would know better than WB that he isn't as strong as he once was? Statements like Doflamingo saying he's strong enough to be Fujitora should always be taken with a grain of salt, overhyping is a thing. I have to see a character underhype their own strength. Why would WB say he isn't as good as he used to be, to himself, in his own mind, if it wasn't true? Are you saying WB is so stupid he'd think to himself "I'm not the strongest anymore," when his abilities didn't decrease that much?
He maybe not as strong as he used to be, but Oda still give him the title WSM. Regardless of his power decrease, he still held the title.
Well, if anything, actually, I believe he was the weakest Yonko. And Mihawk feat was not impressive either, that means, title didn't mean much, because feat > title.
