[VS] Team Whitebeard vs the 3 Admirals (READ FIRST)

[Punk Hazard]

He maybe not as strong as he used to be, but Oda still give him the title WSM. Regardless of his power decrease, he still held the title.

Well, if anything, actually, I believe he was the weakest Yonko. And Mihawk feat was not impressive either, that means, title didn't mean much, because feat > title.

Yes, Oda gave WB the title, and at MF, WB renounced it because he was no longer at the level that earned him the title.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

Yes, Oda gave WB the title, and at MF, WB renounced it because he was no longer at the level that earned him the title.

Can you remind me, which chapter that WB revoked his own title? I guess, Mihawk will revoke his own title, if he fight with Shanks... what a shame.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Can you remind me, which chapter that WB revoked his own title? I guess, Mihawk will revoke his own title, if he fight with Shanks... what a shame.

The chapter that Squard stabbed him.

Yes, if Mihawk at any point says "I'm not suitable for WSS for so and so reason," then he's renounced his title. You're so desperate to argue for the sake of arguing.

 

[Skull Knight]

Team Whitebeard comprises Whitebeard, commander Marco, Diamond Jozu, all the current straw hats, Law, and Sabo. Whitebeard is fully rested and in better health.

The 3 Admirals are obviously Akainu, Aokoji, and Kizaru.

Who wins?

GOD Ussop solos all 3 admirals neg diff

If team Admirals win how will adding Inaurashi to team Whitebeard change the outcome?

Bro God is fighting with Team WB. Admirals got no chance :bdpf:

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Team Whitebeard slaughters

 

[KingHashirama]

@riker , you took that statement completely out of context mate. That was a reply to Crocodile who called him "weak", to which Whitebeard replied "weak..? say what you will , brat but i'm only one man with one heart. Call me a demon, call me a monster.. But I can't be the strongest forever". That literally has nothing to do with him "renouncing" his title.

Its him simply stating he can't keep going on being the strongest forever. Thats literally all it meant. Nowhere did he say "I'm not the strongest man in the world anymore, I am now a weakling". He was simply talking about the future, not the present.

Only reason Akainu won his first clash was due to the big hole in Whitebeard's chest, that triggered the blood from the mouth. << Idk why Akainu fans/supporters always overlook this, considering how Whitebeard was holding to his chest after cracking that iceburg. And no matter how many excuses anyone makes.. Whitebeard won the second clash, yes it was due to a cheapshot from behind, nonetheless he was the one with the advantage. The face blowing off didn't stop Whitebeard's momentum. But Akainu's momentum sure got stopped.

 

[KingHashirama]

WB Vs Akainu
Marco + Law + Zoro + Sanji Vs Kizaru
Jozu + Luffy + Sabo Vs Aokiji

The rest waching.

Pirates win.

WB vs Akainu = Akainu can hold him for a long time.

Marco + Jozu vs Aokiji , Aokiji holds them off (possibly beats them as well)

Strawhats + Law + Sabo vs Kizaru

Sabo is the big factor on the Whitebeard side, from those who aren't from WB pirates. From hype/portrayal, I would say Kizaru can beat them, and then proceed to help Aokiji.

 

[Punk Hazard]

@riker , you took that statement completely out of context mate. That was a reply to Crocodile who called him "weak", to which Whitebeard replied "weak..? say what you will , brat but i'm only one man with one heart. Call me a demon, call me a monster.. But I can't be the strongest forever". That literally has nothing to do with him "renouncing" his title.

Its him simply stating he can't keep going on being the strongest forever. Thats literally all it meant. Nowhere did he say "I'm not the strongest man in the world anymore, I am now a weakling". He was simply talking about the future, not the present.

1. I never said that WB is now a weakling just because he's no longer WSM. That's a ludicrous assumption.

2. What the hell else does "I can't be the strongest forever?" means. Everyone was surprised WB was able to be struck by Squard, with people going "What the? Whitebeard was stabbed?". Crocodile said "I didn't lose to such a weak man!" to which WB said started his inner monologue. "Gimme a break...you call me demon and monster, but I'm just one man with one heart. It's not like I can be the strongest forever!" Crocodile said the WB he lost too isn't the man there, and WB said to himself "Give me a break, I can't be that man you expect me to be forever because I'm still just human with one heart. I can't be strongest forever." WB's words meant "You all call me these titles of things like monster and demon, but I'm still human, and I'm still a human with one heart. It happens, you can't expect me to always be who I was when I was the strongest man alive." The context makes perfect sense because everyone was going "What the hell? How can that happen to Whitebeard, the world's strongest man?" and WB's response was "Well, I'm just not that guy anymore because I'm humans and humans get weaker with old age."

Only reason Akainu won his first clash was due to the big hole in Whitebeard's chest,

Nope. Oda had two different people comment on the cause of WB's heart attack, Marco and Akainu. Marco said "I knew his condition was getting this bad," and Akainu said "Even you can't escape old age." Never was there any indication that the stab triggered the heart attack, only emphasis that it was old age. Stabbed in the chest or not, that heart attack was gonna happen anyways.

that triggered the blood from the mouth. <<

Blood means nothing in the OP world. Law stated that the Red Hawk did superfluous damage to Doflamingo, and that made him spit blood.

Luffy's punch to Garp did nothing to the man, and he spit blood.

Counter Shock drew blood from Vergo's face. "It didn't work..."-Law.

But Akainu's momentum sure got stopped.

Nope. If Akainu's momentum was stopped by the cheap blow, he wouldn't have been able to take WB's face. That would require momentum. If his momentum was stopped by the second blow, he would have fell into the water below and drowned.

 

[LBeezy]

and WB said to himself "Give me a break, I can't be that man you expect me to be forever because I'm still just human with one heart. I can't be strongest forever." WB's words meant "You all call me these titles of things like monster and demon, but I'm still human, and I'm still a human with one heart. It happens, you can't expect me to always be who I was when I was the strongest man alive."

@bold Lmfaoooo!! Your interpretation/translation of that is 100% your opinion bro, and completely made up. xd

What WB said is obviously speaking on the future. (Meaning when he dies. He can't be the strongest forever, because one man with one heart has to die someday, and then when that day comes he can't hold his title anymore.)

Stabbed in the chest or not, that heart attack was gonna happen anyways.

And since you love to use the heart attack whenever someone debates WB vs Akainu one on one.. you say that the heart attack will happen no matter what, Stabbed in the chest or not.. but the real argument for that is, without being Stabbed in the chest that heart attack (IF it comes like you say it "inevitably" will) it's guaranteed to come later and not as soon as it did in MF. Therefore WB can easily get the upper hand on Akainu during the fight. If it's a 1v1 fresh WB and fresh Akainu. WB can win. That heart attack might not even come at all, but IF it does it can be after WB already beat Akainu down a fair amount so that the pause and falling to one knee can't be something that Akainu takes advantage of.. cause he himself could be on the ground f*cked up as well.

 

[Punk Hazard]

@bold Lmfaoooo!! Your interpretation/translation of that is 100% your opinion bro, and completely made up. xd

What WB said is obviously speaking on the future. (Meaning when he dies. He can't be the strongest forever, because one man with one heart has to die someday, and then when that day comes he can't hold his title anymore.)

Yes...my interpretation is my opinion...that's what interpretations are...

Meh, already explained the basis of my interpretation. WB meaning it to be about the future is yours. It can also mean that he, like all men, get old and can't do the same thing they can do in their youth. Marco attributing WB's inability to dodge and notice Squard's attack to his worsening condition, which was caused by old age, supports that WB's capabilities have dropped due to his old age. Akainu also attributes the heart attack to his old age. Not a single indication that the heart attack was caused by the stab was given, especially when Whitebeard was stabbed at the top of his stomach, not in his chest. Both support my interpretation that he's no longer the WSM because he got old and can no longer do the things that he could do in his youth. Idk why you're "LMFAOOO"ing as though it wasn't noted several times that WB's old age was affecting his abilities and as though being old doesn't mean you can't do everything you can do in your youth. You just wanna be petty for the sake of being petty. :yeah:

And since you love to use the heart attack whenever someone debates WB vs Akainu one on one.. you say that the heart attack will happen no matter what, Stabbed in the chest or not.. but the real argument for that is, without being Stabbed in the chest that heart attack (IF it comes like you say it "inevitably" will) it's guaranteed to come later and not as soon as it did in MF. Therefore WB can easily get the upper hand on Akainu during the fight. If it's a 1v1 fresh WB and fresh Akainu. WB can win. That heart attack might not even come at all, but IF it does it can be after WB already beat Akainu down a fair amount so that the pause and falling to one knee can't be something that Akainu takes advantage of.. cause he himself could be on the ground f*cked up as well.

Yeah, one can argue that the heart attack would have came later. One can also argue that Oda bothered to have two different characters make note of the reason WB had the heart attack, and both times it was "old age," emphasizes that WB's condition, which was worsening way before the stab, was the sole reason. The only time Oda had a character bring up Squard's stab in relation to WB's health, it was so WB could laugh at it. So no, it's not guaranteed to come later, since only WB's condition was attributed to the heart attack, and when the stab was brought up, it was so Whitebeard could go "Please, like that'd be enough for me."

 

[Hexuze]

I don't know guys. What's stopping the admirals from tagging up on WB? It could go either way I guess.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I don't know guys. What's stopping the admirals from tagging up on WB? It could go either way I guess.

The presence of all the other people? I highly doubt they could successfully all jump one person with such a large roster on the opposing side.

 

[LBeezy]

Yes...my interpretation is my opinion...that's what interpretations are...

Meh, already explained the basis of my interpretation. WB meaning it to be about the future is yours. It can also mean that he, like all men, get old and can't do the same thing they can do in their youth. Marco attributing WB's inability to dodge and notice Squard's attack to his worsening condition, which was caused by old age, supports that WB's capabilities have dropped due to his old age. Akainu also attributes the heart attack to his old age. Not a single indication that the heart attack was caused by the stab was given, especially when Whitebeard was stabbed at the top of his stomach, not in his chest. Both support my interpretation that he's no longer the WSM because he got old and can no longer do the things that he could do in his youth. Idk why you're "LMFAOOO"ing as though it wasn't noted several times that WB's old age was affecting his abilities and as though being old doesn't mean you can't do everything you can do in your youth. You just wanna be petty for the sake of being petty. :yeah:




Yeah, one can argue that the heart attack would have came later. One can also argue that Oda bothered to have two different characters make note of the reason WB had the heart attack, and both times it was "old age," emphasizes that WB's condition, which was worsening way before the stab, was the sole reason. The only time Oda had a character bring up Squard's stab in relation to WB's health, it was so WB could laugh at it. So no, it's not guaranteed to come later, since only WB's condition was attributed to the heart attack, and when the stab was brought up, it was so Whitebeard could go "Please, like that'd be enough for me."

I laughed my f*cking a$$ off because what you said was so stupid it was actually hilarious to me.



And for the record, let's see you personally bring up a scan that shows WB saying, out of his own mouth, or his inner thoughts, "damn my old age has gotten to me and this heart attack is proof."

Because unless you can show me that, then every time a character did make note of his old age, is was just them simply stating their opinion and what they thought was going on. And what they THOUGHT caused the heart attack. None of those characters were a doctor and WB was not on an operating table getting checked on.
#Facts

These characters making note of WB's age (And Oda writing it for them to say) could very well be that they were expressing how WB's age has effected his ability to tank attacks (such as stabs to the chest/upper abdominal area)... a younger WB may be able to get Stabbed and keep on fighting for a long period of time. But the MF WB that got Stabbed PLUS his old age could be the contributing factors to the heart attack.. and please notice I say both. Because I do agree with you that old age will be a main factor for a heart attack. Hence I said that IF the heart attack does come in a hypothetical 1v1 Fresh WB vs Fresh Akainu, that it would come later on in the time period of their fight. Because I also believe that the stab had a major part in causing the heart attack as well. So I say both caused the heart attack to happen at the time it did. Therefore take away the stab, and the heart attack can be delayed to a later point in the duel.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I laughed my f*cking a$$ off because what you said was so stupid it was actually hilarious to me.

I see what you mean. A man not being able to do the things he could do as a youth because he got old is such a stupid thing for someone to say.

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And for the record, let's see you personally bring up a scan that shows WB saying, out of his own mouth, or his inner thoughts, "damn my old age has gotten to me and this heart attack is proof."
...What?



Because unless you can show me that, then every time a character did make note of his old age, is was just them simply stating their opinion and what they thought was going on. And what they THOUGHT caused the heart attack. None of those characters were a doctor and WB was not on an operating table getting checked on.
#Facts

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Marco is with Whitebeard 24/7. Why would he, someone who lives with Whitebeard and cares for WB like a father, be unaware of what's wrong with him? It's far more likely that Marco actually knows what's wrong with WB, considering he'd have access to his medical information from the nurses on the ship and has first-hand witnessed the effects of his illnesses on his body.

These characters making note of WB's age (And Oda writing it for them to say) could very well be that they were expressing how WB's age has effected his ability to tank attacks (such as stabs to the chest/upper abdominal area)... a younger WB may be able to get Stabbed and keep on fighting for a long period of time.But the MF WB that got Stabbed PLUS his old age could be the contributing factors to the heart attack.. and please notice I say both. Because I do agree with you that old age will be a main factor for a heart attack. Hence I said that IF the heart attack does come in a hypothetical 1v1 Fresh WB vs Fresh Akainu, that it would come later on in the time period of their fight. Because I also believe that the stab had a major part in causing the heart attack as well. So I say both caused the heart attack to happen at the time it did. Therefore take away the stab, and the heart attack can be delayed to a later point in the duel.

Okay? That's your interpretation. It doesn't make mine any less likely. Also, it wasn't just his ability to tank. Marco explicitly said that it was ability to notice and dodge the attack, indicating more than just his stamina decreased. Even then, a decrease in stamina is enough to warrant him no longer being the strongest man. As I said earlier in the thread, while Whitebeard's DF power was indicated to remain otherwise unchanged from his youth, his body can't keep up with it. He doesn't have the stamina to exert himself as he could when he was the WSM, which is why he loses to Akainu now: His body will give in before he could finish off Akainu.

Can you provide a single scan that indicates or suggests that the heart attack came from the stab? Because, while what I presented might just be opinions from characters, it's more evidence than you've presented to support the claim that the stab to his stomach from Squard had any role in triggering the heart attack.

Because so far, you have two characters, one of whom is close to WB and would have firsthand witnessed the effects of his illness for years and saying multiple times throughout the war that his illness was affecting his abilities, attributing the heart attack to his health. And zero people or panels indicating that the heart attack came from the stab in any way. With Whitebeard later laughing off the notion that the stab was serious or enough to stop him.

Even if the heart attack would be delayed to later in the duel, Akainu could have more than lasted until that point, seeing as he and WB were fighting evenly until the heart attack hit WB.

 

[Donald J Trump]

Let's see.

Healthy WB > Any admiral low dif
Sabo+Zoro+G4 Luffy+Sanji>Any Admiral
Commander Marco and Dimaond Jozu can=Admiral, if you add law it's a take mid dif

Team 1 take Mid dif

 

[Punk Hazard]

Let's see.

Healthy WB > Any admiral low dif
Sabo+Zoro+G4 Luffy+Sanji>Any Admiral
Commander Marco and Dimaond Jozu can=Admiral, if you add law it's a take mid dif

Team 1 take Mid dif

I'M SCREECHING

z.z

 

[Itachi Minato]

Let's see.

Healthy WB > Any admiral low dif
Sabo+Zoro+G4 Luffy+Sanji>Any Admiral
Commander Marco and Dimaond Jozu can=Admiral, if you add law it's a take mid dif

Team 1 take Mid dif

Nobody low diffs an admiral. Seriously, admirals are so underrated.

 

[ZoroXTashigi]

WB vs Akainu = Akainu can hold him for a long time.

Marco + Jozu vs Aokiji , Aokiji holds them off (possibly beats them as well)

Strawhats + Law + Sabo vs Kizaru

Sabo is the big factor on the Whitebeard side, from those who aren't from WB pirates. From hype/portrayal, I would say Kizaru can beat them, and then proceed to help Aokiji.

Why Marco fighting Aokiji, if he shown on MF, he can hold Kizaru .. lol

 

[LBeezy]

I see what you mean. A man not being able to do the things he could do as a youth because he got old is such a stupid thing for someone to say.

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Marco is with Whitebeard 24/7. Why would he, someone who lives with Whitebeard and cares for WB like a father, be unaware of what's wrong with him? It's far more likely that Marco actually knows what's wrong with WB, considering he'd have access to his medical information from the nurses on the ship and has first-hand witnessed the effects of his illnesses on his body.



Okay? That's your interpretation. It doesn't make mine any less likely. Also, it wasn't just his ability to tank. Marco explicitly said that it was ability to notice and dodge the attack, indicating more than just his stamina decreased. Even then, a decrease in stamina is enough to warrant him no longer being the strongest man. As I said earlier in the thread, while Whitebeard's DF power was indicated to remain otherwise unchanged from his youth, his body can't keep up with it. He doesn't have the stamina to exert himself as he could when he was the WSM, which is why he loses to Akainu now: His body will give in before he could finish off Akainu.

Can you provide a single scan that indicates or suggests that the heart attack came from the stab? Because, while what I presented might just be opinions from characters, it's more evidence than you've presented to support the claim that the stab to his stomach from Squard had any role in triggering the heart attack.

Because so far, you have two characters, one of whom is close to WB and would have firsthand witnessed the effects of his illness for years and saying multiple times throughout the war that his illness was affecting his abilities, attributing the heart attack to his health. And zero people or panels indicating that the heart attack came from the stab in any way. With Whitebeard later laughing off the notion that the stab was serious or enough to stop him.

Even if the heart attack would be delayed to later in the duel, Akainu could have more than lasted until that point, seeing as he and WB were fighting evenly until the heart attack hit WB.

Yes. Your interpretation.. My interpretation..

That's the game.

But the difference between us, is that you like to act as if your interpretation is nothing but facts.. while you deny the actual real facts that I use to base my interpretation off of. That's where the disagreement comes from.

Not once do I deny your point about his old age.. in fact I partially agree with you. I'm only implying that his age alone may not have been the only contributing factor to his heart attack. And that the stab in his chest/upper abdominal area may have also played a part.. concluding that if it were a fresh MF WB vs a fresh MF Akainu 1v1, that the heart attack would come at a different time. Probably later on in the fight. Therefore giving WB the upper hand because by that time he may have Akainu in a worsened state.

IMO.

:bdpf:

 

[-Akuma-]

Yikes, that is not the altercation I was talking about lmfao.

Akainu gets a blow in on Whitebeard, striking him in the chest instead of in the face or blowing off a limb[

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]. And instead of charging again while Whitebeard was down on his knees[

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Yeah we were not talking about the same thing, I was referring to after the second fight.

And this is a VS battle. I'm not saying what happened didn't happen, but in a VS match-up, illegitimate charges like jumping someone aren't viable arguments. Otherwise, if someone makes a thread saying Yeti Cool Brothers vs Zoro, I can say "Eh, they stomped Zoro once through jumping, they win."

But I'm not addressing if this match was legitimate or not, nor am I saying WB is stronger because he jumped Akainu. You said WB lost twice, which was not the case regardless of how he won. I am not using him jumping as evidence of him being stronger, I'm just saying he won round 2.

When WB had his heart attack, Marco said he knew something like that was gonna happen because of WB's old age, and Akainu said that even WB can't escape old age. When Squard was crying over stabbing WB, WB laughed at the notion that Squard thought that would be enough to stop him. When the Marines stabbed him SEVERAL times in the chest, he once again bemused that they thought something like that would be enough to stop him[

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]. Given that every explanation as to why his condition worsened Akainu was old age, with Oda bothering to draw people giving explanations at all but not bothering to include Squard stabbing WB as one, yeah, it's safe to say that Squard's stab played virtually no role because of weak Squard is.

He feard it would happen, he was certain that it was definitely going to happen. WB laughed when he got stabbed but I don't see how that's relevant, I'm not saying the stab would of put WB down, not at all but it was significant. While again not debating if those wounds would of put him down but they were relevant in bring him down bit, while side not none of them even hit WB in the chest. Please just because the stab wasn't highlighted all the time doesn't mean it wasn't important, when it happened a big deal was made out of it and even showed why Squard done it. While Squard himself isn't weak at all, his literally WB's greatest ally outside of the people in his crew.

They get the benefit of the doubt because, unlike Ace, they weren't in situations where Haki was specifically needed and then shown explicitly not using Haki. While they required Haki against Akainu, nothing shows them not using Haki is such a situation. They have given no reason to doubt that they use Haki, which Ace has done.

Didn't we already address this in that thread why Ace would haki? Yeah we did, but that's not important. They have done nothing to earn or warrant them the possibility of possessing haki. All the WB commanders bar Ace, Jozu, Marco and Vista are ass and you're only giving these guys haki simply because it helps your argument.

Yes they were. When WB and Ace died, they were just standing around crying. After Marco yells out that protecting Luffy is their new goal, they were went back to fighting harder than ever. Which makes more sense than saying they wouldn't have. After failing to stop the deaths of both Whitebeard and Ace, they would be feeling immeasurable amounts of sadness and guilt. Protecting Luffy in the place of protecting Ace would atone for that failure. Not a single one of them are faltering, all of them look as convicted as they did at the start of the war. You saying their spirits were weak is blatantly incorrect.

And? Most of them were crying at the time but people like Marco and Vista jumped straight into action and they failed to hit Akainu while they can't hit his real body. Their wills were crushed badly, claiming that them wanting to protect Luffy would make them fully get over the grief of losing, their spirit were weak just back they kept fighting back and gained a new goal doesn't get ridof the losses already suffered.

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Show me a single sign in those panels of their spirits being weak.

Them finding a bit of resolve isn't making up for the loss, look at the state of them when Shanks comes in to end the war.

Nope. Both were just standing(or laying) around as the ground broke and Akainu fell in. Had the ground not been broken, Akainu could have just sprung back up and continue fighting, as he did right before while also appearing to be stunned on the ground. It's pretty much a given that Akainu would have been able to spring back up, as the bottom of the cavern was filled with water[

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]. If Akainu was too stunned too move, he would have just drowned instead of being able to tunnel into the ground.

Booy Akainu was in the middle of falling over, the fact you assume he'd spring back up was amusing. Akainu was visibly wayy more damaged, the fact he was on his ass coughing blood was a clea indicator he wasn't just getting backup from the ground. You vastly overrated Akainu's durability, the tide was clearly in WB's favour. Akainu wouldn't of had to be stunned for a long time for WB to take advantage, that cavern part is irrelevant, the gaping cavern was rather deep, giving Aakinu more than enough time.

They never fought close range. WB threw a Quake, he isn't fazed, he stops WB's powers by touching him, and WB slashes at him, then launches a Quake into him at point blank range, which causes Teach to roll in agony. Teach then has his crew shoot at WB because he's a coward. He knows he lacks the firepower to contend with WB's firepower. Bear in mind this is the same Teach who took direct shockwaves from Sengoku at point blank range and was largely unfazed.

Did you just repeat everything I said then still deny that Teach had his cre fight for him because he wasn't strong enough. Teach tried fighting WB thinking he could win and then had his crew jump in, not because he's a coward because he couldn't win one on one. While Teach taking Sengoku's shock waves is pretty impressive thought doesn't really hold any weigh because WB's quakes>Sengoku's shock waves.