stop underestimating Itachi he's still top5

[KidGamer65]

agreed.

Pretty soon, Itachi wont even be in the Top 10 list. Lol

Why won't he? The only people I see coming into the Top 10 list is Tobirama, and I don't see anyone else besides Naruto and Sasuke (Who are already above Itachi) getting any rapid increases in power.

 

[Lilt]

I think in terms of sheer logistics, the chances of Tobirama doing anything to put him above Itachi are slim to none. Hashirama, Naruto, and Sasuke are there to bask in the limelight. Minato has an iffy chance. Everybody else will be designated to support, and more or less take the lesser roles normally doled out to the Rookie 9.

 

[Flawž]

Why won't he? The only people I see coming into the Top 10 list is Tobirama, and I don't see anyone else besides Naruto and Sasuke (Who are already above Itachi) getting any rapid increases in power.

I see kakashi getting into the TOP 10 [Future after a time skip maybe]

Tobirama

Hurizen [possibly]

who knows.

Maybe after the time skip, Everyone would have become more powerful as the new generation surpasses the old.

 

[KidGamer65]

I see kakashi getting into the TOP 10 [Future after a time skip maybe]

Tobirama

Hurizen [possibly]

who knows.

Maybe after the time skip, Everyone would have become more powerful as the new generation surpasses the old.

Kakashi? Doubt it, he's already in his 30s, not much time left to make such a massive boost in power.

Only if we see Hiruzen's prime, Old Hiruzen will never make it into Top 10.

 

[Flawž]

Kakashi? Doubt it, he's already in his 30s, not much time left to make such a massive boost in power.

Only if we see Hiruzen's prime, Old Hiruzen will never make it into Top 10.

Very true.

I guess the list wont change much.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Couple things here.

1. Itachi was lying to Sasuke in that story; we can't surely separate truth from lie.

2. We don't have any clue where Mangekyō Madara stood.

3. We don't know the full circumstances of Tobirama beating Izuna.



Madara, on the other hand, doesn't think much of Tobirama and Hashirama subdued Tobirama with a chakra-flex.



And Itachi.



1. According to Iruka, he was the strongest Hokage. That's decisively incorrect.

2. According to the common folk, he was the strongest Gokage, but Itachi's stronger than any of the Gokage.



The 7th Gate wouldn't beat Itachi.



Orochimaru would sooner fight Hiruzen then than he would face 17 year old Itachi though.

Not to mention Orochimaru said that if he had Itachi, there would have been zero problems with Hiruzen or Konoha.



They were much, much weaker back then though. Tsunade didn't have her seal. Orochimaru didn't have his kinjutsu.

Jiraiya might have had Fukasaku/Shima, but he didn't seemed to have summoned them in the flashback.



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Where was this stated? He might have given Pain a good fight, but beat him? Doubt it.



Overhyped by the databook and manga.



Still, it's hyped in the manga to be better than any Uchiha and comparable to soul-reading.



Sure, but think about it. Itachi is arguably hyped to be the most skilled in genjutsu.

He's hyped to have some of the most powerful ninjutsu, not just Amaterasu, but legendary items.

And his taijutsu/weapons, well, I'll address that next:



Kabuto distinguished Itachi's projectile-skills as being too damn good and basically top tier.



Not many ninja can hang with Killer Bee, Naruto, etc.



Indeed, which is more or less the argument of the OP.

1. Itachi had no reason to lie about that at all.
2. Very powerful.
3. He beat him.

Madara doesn't think very highly of anyone, and Tobirama was also telling Hashirama to shut up and let the grown up talk.

Where can Itachi's hype even begin to compare to Hiruzen's?

1. Hiruzen agreed with Iruka. And how is it incorrect?
2. That's debatable.

Why not? You move so fast you create fire from the intense friction, a single punch causes cataclysmic hurricanes. The Eight Gates also only relate to physical ability, not jutsus.

Proof of that? Orochimaru seemed pretty interested in killing a 21 year old Itachi.

If Orochimaru had Itachi's body.

They were still at least around Kakashi's or Sasuke's level at the beginning of pt.2, and they weren't famed for their individual ability but their flawless teamwork. Hanzo didn't just beat three powerful ninjas, he beat three powerful ninjas that complimented each other perfectly.

There are a lot of inconsistencies in the manga. Like why didn't Obito just teleport into Naruto's room and kill him?

Pein suggested that if Hanzo didn't lose his conviction that he could had beaten him. Hanzo was oblivious to the fact that he had become weaker, and Mifune calling him a rusty blade made him remember that Pein made a reference to that as well.

Overhyped is still overhyped.

Better than any other vain, self-absorbed, egotistical Uchiha? lol. Calling it soul reading is also a hyperbole, it's just being intuitive, and even then he has hits and misses.

The most skilled in an ambiguous ability? Granted, although untrue. Shisui is hyped to be superior. Although I will agree that, outside of MS, genjutsu is his best area.

I don't disagree with you there, but they don't put him ahead of anyone.

So... Itachi can hit a bullseye better than any other character can hit a bullseye? That's not spectacular.

Neither did Itachi, he pulled back. Naruto also wasn't using his super strength or Body Flickers.

I have to disagree, the OP is saying that Itachi's power isn't subjective at all and he's #1.

 

[soloGodtachi]

Here's why your logic doesn't work:

You have no evidence to suggest that Itachi's normal genjutsu is superior to Kurenai's in any way, shape, or form. You also don't provide any reasoning as to why Kurenai doesn't fodderize Hashirama with genjutsu since it's apparently so hax.

What did Tsukiyomi "fodderize"? It was used on Kakashi, whom has a 4 in genjutsu, and he resisted it. It was also used on Sasuke whom has a 3.5 in genjutsu and he broke it.
Skill in genjutsu also has no correlation to countering or breaking genjutsu, just awareness and chakra skill, the partner method also helps a lot. Notice how Itachi was placed inside Kurenai's genjutsu and couldn't break it without his Sharingan.

funny how you didn't mention the part when he one-shotted Orochimaru who had 5 genjutsu with a 3 tomoe sharingan

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

funny how you didn't mention the part when he one-shotted Orochimaru who had 5 genjutsu with a 3 tomoe sharingan

Funny how you didn't read the part where I explained that genjutsu skill has absolutely nothing with countering genjutsu, or how Itachi helplessly fell into Kurenai's "pitiful" genjutsu.

You also didn't mention where Orochimaru resisted Itachi's paralyzing genjutsu and was about to make a release seal, or that that Orochimaru was dying and trying to take Itachi's body without killing him.

 

[Dark Artist]

he doesn't deserve even my top 25 ..

so overrated character with only 3 moves and weak stamina

 

[soloGodtachi]

Funny how you didn't read the part where I explained that genjutsu skill has absolutely nothing with countering genjutsu, or how Itachi helplessly fell into Kurenai's "pitiful" genjutsu.

You also didn't mention where Orochimaru resisted Itachi's paralyzing genjutsu and was about to make a release seal, or that that Orochimaru was dying and trying to take Itachi's body without killing him.

Orochimaru was full healthy there and got owned
he was in his own body

 

[Dark Artist]

Orochimaru was full healthy there and got owned
he was in his own body

Orochimaru doesn't has kill intention
he wants itachi body without deadly wounds

so itachi ( edo or non edo ) can take down the strongest edo kages Oro has ?

use ur brain Alt

 

[Uchihareborn207]

Agreed 100%.some morons keep saying that itachi loses against hyuugas(neji,hinata and hiashi) but the true is that they would get so raped!!!!!!! is not even funny:devil:.

 

[soloGodtachi]

Orochimaru doesn't has kill intention
he wants itachi body without deadly wounds

so itachi ( edo or non edo ) can take down the strongest edo kages Oro has ?

use ur brain Alt

neither Itachi had killing intent

paralyzing genjutsu easily prevents him from summoning them

I'm not an alt

 

[KingHashirama]

Hes not even top 10 lol

 

[soloGodtachi]

Hes not even top 10 lol

list 10 characters who can beat him!

 

[Lilt]

They were still at least around Kakashi's or Sasuke's level at the beginning of pt.2, and they weren't famed for their individual ability but their flawless teamwork. Hanzo didn't just beat three powerful ninjas, he beat three powerful ninjas that complimented each other perfectly.

I really don't think so. Sasuke was an extremely polished shinobi with the Sharingan genjutsu and a host of powerful ninjutsu, including an S-rank jutsu. Kakashi is similarly crazy-talented and possessing a broken bloodline ability. I think the young Sannin would be more around Zabuza's level.

 

[Trollasaur]

Did not read
Obito>Itachi
Madara>Itachi
Naruto>Itachi
Nagato>Itachi
Kabuto>Itachi
and many others
eat a ****

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[soloGodtachi]

Did not read
Obito>Itachi
Madara>Itachi
Naruto>Itachi
Nagato>Itachi
Kabuto>Itachi
and many others
eat a ****

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why do you comment if you don't even know my arguments?

 

[Trollasaur]

why do you comment if you don't even know my arguments?

What arguments? Craving Itachis **** isn't an argument.
Obvious troll is obvious

 

[Lilt]

What arguments? Craving Itachis **** isn't an argument.
Obvious troll is obvious

Obvious troll is obvious.