stop underestimating Itachi he's still top5

[UltimateDeadpool]

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doesn't prove that Kurama can instantly break it
ofc he can break a normal paralyzing genjutsu but Tsukuyomi was never broken by anyone without Uchiha dna, this is why it's a totally different case

Itachi said that not even a Sharingan can guard against Tsukiyomi, and Sasuke broke Tsukiyomi with his mental fortitude by his own statements. Tsukiyomi's effects are causing mental strain, a high fortitude should be able to resist or overpower it.

Also, don't ignore my last post to you.

That its literal translation, in the viz manga its translated as Blaze Release: Flame Control/Enton: Kagutsuchi. Him saying he's never seen such a Kagutsuchi simply means he's never seen such a flame control before, the term (Not the jutsu) Flame Control, doesn't only apply to Amaterasu.

The Viz made-up name. Y'know, like how they changed "Steam Danger Tyrant" to "Steam Imp."

If he never saw such flame control before, he would had said flame control, because Kishimoto isn't using Viz translations.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Bee is not stronger than Sasuke! Nagato possibly! Minato not enough feats to prove that he's stronger than Sasuke! The first five are above Sasuke. Although i feel bad saying Obito> Sasuke.

My reason is the octopus leg substitution. Otherwise, Sasuke and Itachi would probably solo him. Minato could get through susanoo by throwing kunai at the susanoo's shell and then use FTG2 to teleport inside of it where he can freely attack Sasuke.

 

[iNotorious]

Itachi is top 10, not top 5

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

My reason is the octopus leg substitution. Otherwise, Sasuke and Itachi would probably solo him. Minato could get through susanoo by throwing kunai at the susanoo's shell and then use FTG2 to teleport inside of it where he can freely attack Sasuke.

Once Minato gets inside he's dead! Ever heard of Nagashi? Enton sword? Chidori Katana? I don't see how Minato will navigate with ease. The inside space where Sasuke stands in Susanoo doesn't squish for two people,

 

[Sennin of Logic]

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doesn't prove that Kurama can instantly break it
ofc he can break a normal paralyzing genjutsu but Tsukuyomi was never broken by anyone without Uchiha dna, this is why it's a totally different case

Yes it does. MS genjutsu can be broken by outside chakra. Madara used MS genjutsu against A, and he's been shown to have the same reality altering effect of tsukyomi minus the time manipulation.

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Time manipulation is the only reason why it can't be broken by most. The biju clearly transferred chakra to Naruto when manipulating his time perception. This could just as easily be breaking him out of it.

 

[KingHashirama]

Not even sure what you mean when you say prowess wise.

@bold: No, it can't. Not at all.

Not to mention he said he's never seen this type of Kagutsuchi before. Kagutsuchi translates to Flame Control, not Amaterasu specifically, so Tobirama has never seen it before.

By prowess I'm basically meaning overall powerful. Itachi is powerful yes. But he lacks the stamina.. compared to the Kages and other top teir akatsuki members.

Blaze release: an advanced chakra nature kekkei genkai of the Uchiha clan, that lets them produce black flames. Sasuke Uchiha uses this technique when manipulating the unquenchable black flames of Amaterasu. C states that Sasuke manipulates the flames with his right Mangekyō Sharingan whereas he casts Amaterasu with his left.[1] It is unknown what elements this nature entails.


Kagutsuchi is controlling of the Black flames of amaterasu with the right eyes. Basically manipulation. Tobirama stated he has never seen such Kagutsuchi, meaning such manipulation of the flames of Amaterasu.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Once Minato gets inside he's dead! Ever heard of Nagashi? Enton sword? Chidori Katana? I don't see how Minato will navigate with ease. The inside space where Sasuke stands in Susanoo doesn't squish for two people,

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Clearly there is enough space. Also, Sasuke probably wouldn't have enough time to react. Obito clearly didn't have enough time to turn on Kamui, and we all know how fast it activates.

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[SuperFlyzzED]

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Clearly there is enough space. Also, Sasuke probably wouldn't have enough time to react. Obito clearly didn't have enough time to turn on Kamui, and we all know how fast it activates.

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Sasuke is not the best when it comes to speed feats, but his reaction time is spot on. I mean when he fought Raikage V2, he managed to do "Shield of Black Flames" on his ribcage Susanoo.

 

[Trollasaur]

is there any proof that his body was dying? because if there's not then it's nothing more than your way of trying to give your favourite excuse for being fodderized

the paralyzing genjutsu worked well it gave Itachi enough time to cut Orochimaru's hand off before he could perform a jutsu

Itachi had no killing intent
he could have cut Orochimaru's head of but he didn't
enough proof

Show me your flawless logic.

 

[Trollasaur]

1.Kabuto
2.Orochimaru
3.Hashirama
4.Madara
5.Obito
6.Naruto
7.Nagato
8.Sasuke
9.Minato
10.Itachi

How in the blue hell does Sasuke beat Minato?

 

[Trollasaur]

Tsukyomi only tuns a second into 3 days. It's not microseconds. That's over hype. Here's scans showing the long conversation that Naruto had with the bijus, and their chakra transfer, that could have only taken an instant since Obito didn't do anything to interfere, and there was no change in the battle field.

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Are you gonna tell me, that Naruto was grapping edo jinchuriki by their throats for over 10 minutes, and Obito just stood their doing nothing? Clearly, the biju affected Naruto's time perception and can transfer chakra very quickly.

Don't get me wrong, I like Itachi. I just don't think he's top 10. Here's my list.

1.S06P
2.Obito
3.Madara
4.Hashirama
5.Naruto
6.Nagato
7.Minato
8.B (no pun intended)
9.Sasuke
10.Itachi

Wheres Kabuto?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Sasuke is not the best when it comes to speed feats, but his reaction time is spot on. I mean when he fought Raikage V2, he managed to do "Shield of Black Flames" on his ribcage Susanoo.

But so is Obito's. I mean, he's never been hit once by Naruto Kakashi, and Guy's combined attacks without Kamui. Note, Naruto's Average KCM speed is as fast as A's in V1.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Wheres Kabuto?

If itachi used Toska blade when Kabuto attacked his clone, he'd be dead. I might be a bit biased as I don't like Kabuto. However, edo tensei should never be a factor. 1. It has nothing to do with ninja skill. 2. It requires massive prep, meaning he'd always have to be attacking. If he were caught of guard and required to go on the defensive, he'd be screwed.

 

[Trollasaur]

If itachi used Toska blade when Kabuto attacked his clone, he'd be dead. I might be a bit biased as I don't like Kabuto. However, edo tensei should never be a factor. 1. It has nothing to do with ninja skill. 2. It requires massive prep, meaning he'd always have to be attacking. If he were caught of guard and required to go on the defensive, he'd be screwed.

Summoning Jutsu doesn't require skill either, Edo Tensei is a legit move if you count in summonings also DSM Kabuto would demolish Itachi. :/ Edo proably alive definatley

 

[Dark Slayer]

Madara
Nagato
Hashirama
Sasuke
Obito
Naruto

All beat Itachi.

Agreed. No one should say otherwise.

 

[Lilt]

Few of the people who can beat Itachi:

1. Rikudou
2. Hashirama
3. Madara
4. Sasuke
5. Naruto
6. Nagato
7. Jiraiya
8. Tsunade
9. 3rd Raikage
10. Muu
11. Tobirama
12. Minato
13. Hiruzen
14. Obito
15. Kabuto

... Shall I keep going?

You can't really believe all of those people would beat Itachi according to Kishi.

As Kishi's made it very clear that Itachi is among his favorite and most powerful/intelligent ninja.

e.g. Naruto beat the 3rd Raikage with a clone, whereas Itachi beat the title character with a clone.

 

[Trollasaur]

If itachi used Toska blade when Kabuto attacked his clone, he'd be dead. I might be a bit biased as I don't like Kabuto. However, edo tensei should never be a factor. 1. It has nothing to do with ninja skill. 2. It requires massive prep, meaning he'd always have to be attacking. If he were caught of guard and required to go on the defensive, he'd be screwed.

Either way without edo tensei Kabutos powerful

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Either way without edo tensei Kabutos powerful

Yes he is. He's possibly stronger than the 5 kage.

 

[Olorin]

Hashirama, Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato, Obito, Madara, Nagato, Jiraiya, Orochimaru, Naruto, Sasuke ... Hes not even top 10 LOL ... Hehe never really realized that (never counted how many are stronger) ... So basically all your thread has done is make me aware that he isnt even top 10 anymore

Its gonna be so funny when Sakura trully surpasses Tsunade and in the future the team 7 (assuming they survive) are gonna be revered as the new Sannin (who surpassed the old generation) and Sakura is gonna be above Itachi

I like Itachi, but you idiots make it very hard

 

[SeBa]

another *facepalm*