stop underestimating Itachi he's still top5
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BlackFlame44
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Did you even read what you posted?
Might Itachi? Win or lose, which one? I'll assume you meant "Madara might win against Itachi if he can outlast him", because you are a Itachi fanboy.
Sorry but, that isn't bullshit. Totsuka is the only known sealing that Itachi has and Deva Path can repel it. Naruto can swap with Kurama and with his will power do you think tsukuyomi would be enough?
Not going to bother arguing Hashirama > Itachi because that should be common sense by now.
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Itachi's lucky to be in the top 20, stop overestimating him.
Genjutsu is not rare and anyone has the capacity to counter it, especially higher leveled characters. Otherwise Kurenai would destroy Hashirama.
Everything else you say is wrong too.
Genjutsu is not rare and anyone has the capacity to counter it, especially higher leveled characters. Otherwise Kurenai would destroy Hashirama.
Everything else you say is wrong too.
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Are you dumb?
He cannot touch Obito. Obito have control over 7 tailed beasts, gedo mazo, mangekyo, rinnegan and mokuton. It's overkill at the highest.
And the same goes to Madara.
EMS Sasuke can defeat Itachi.
Muu can make Itachi's susanoo vanish.
Onooki can do the same.
Nagato have RInnegan, no attacks will work on him.
Tobirama is master at water; so good that he can easily break earth.
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here's why your logic doesn't work
Tsukuyomi > Itachi's base genjutsu >>>>> Kurenai's genjutsu
Tsukuyomi already fodderized high jounin level shinobis who had 5 genjutsu... it's safe to say that without MS and Uchiha dna it's not possible to break it
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Sasuke and Obito might beat him
Hashirama loses
Madara beats him because he's a bad matchup (able to counter sharingan genjutsu)
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Here's why your logic doesn't work:
You have no evidence to suggest that Itachi's normal genjutsu is superior to Kurenai's in any way, shape, or form. You also don't provide any reasoning as to why Kurenai doesn't fodderize Hashirama with genjutsu since it's apparently so hax.
What did Tsukiyomi "fodderize"? It was used on Kakashi, whom has a 4 in genjutsu, and he resisted it. It was also used on Sasuke whom has a 3.5 in genjutsu and he broke it.
Skill in genjutsu also has no correlation to countering or breaking genjutsu, just awareness and chakra skill, the partner method also helps a lot. Notice how Itachi was placed inside Kurenai's genjutsu and couldn't break it without his Sharingan.
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He admitted it would. Anyway, gyuuki took a while to notice be was in a genjutsu and break him out, and that was only a normal one. If itachi wanted to kill be in that moment, bee would be dead and full of knives.
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Hanzo
Hashirama
Hiruzen
Kabuto
Madara
Minato
Nagato
Naruto
Obito
Sasuke
There are still others like Tobirama, Orochimaru, etc. that may push some of those out of the top 10 as well.
His hype isn't all that great either and I disagree about having the most diverse movepool. Fire, crows, genjutsu, Susanoo. There are others that have more, as well as having high-quality jutsus.
Itachi is comfortably better than three of those, although Minato's roughly even with him.
Itachi was essentially stated to be an invincible mind-reader. Someone with top tier tools and perception in battle.
Itachi is one of maybe five ninja to have top tier ninjutsu, genjutsu, and taijutsu/weapons feats.
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Tobirama beat Izuna, Madara's equal and an MS user. He's also confident in beating EMS Madara and Hashirama never questioned Tobirama's ability to do so.
Hiruzen is the most hype in the manga, besides Hashirama and Madara. He knows all the jutsus in Konoha, he's superior to all of the Hokage and Gokage (except possibly Hashirama), you need the 8th and final gate to surpass him, he could had beaten a 100% Orochimaru + Edo Tensei if he were still just 60, etc.
Hanzo beat the young Sannin, trounced Mifune, and could had beaten Pein.
Where was he basically stated to be that? His tools are also overhyped and others have keen perception in battle too.
That's an iffy slope you're riding there. Most high level shinobi possess some hax jutsus, genjutsu is something that Kishimoto only uses for shock value and is highly debatable, all ninjas can hit bullseyes with kunai, and I disagree about Itachi having any superior taijutsu feats.
A diverse move-pool also implies versatility, someone like Kakashi has far more versatility than Itachi does.
Itachi is powerful, but power can be subjective.
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Couple things here.
1. Itachi was lying to Sasuke in that story; we can't surely separate truth from lie.
2. We don't have any clue where Mangekyō Madara stood.
3. We don't know the full circumstances of Tobirama beating Izuna.
Madara, on the other hand, doesn't think much of Tobirama and Hashirama subdued Tobirama with a chakra-flex.
And Itachi.
1. According to Iruka, he was the strongest Hokage. That's decisively incorrect.
2. According to the common folk, he was the strongest Gokage, but Itachi's stronger than any of the Gokage.
The 7th Gate wouldn't beat Itachi.
Orochimaru would sooner fight Hiruzen then than he would face 17 year old Itachi though.
Not to mention Orochimaru said that if he had Itachi, there would have been zero problems with Hiruzen or Konoha.
They were much, much weaker back then though. Tsunade didn't have her seal. Orochimaru didn't have his kinjutsu.
Jiraiya might have had Fukasaku/Shima, but he didn't seemed to have summoned them in the flashback.
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Where was this stated? He might have given Pain a good fight, but beat him? Doubt it.
Overhyped by the databook and manga.
Still, it's hyped in the manga to be better than any Uchiha and comparable to soul-reading.
Sure, but think about it. Itachi is arguably hyped to be the most skilled in genjutsu.
He's hyped to have some of the most powerful ninjutsu, not just Amaterasu, but legendary items.
And his taijutsu/weapons, well, I'll address that next:
Kabuto distinguished Itachi's projectile-skills as being too damn good and basically top tier.
Not many ninja can hang with Killer Bee, Naruto, etc.
Indeed, which is more or less the argument of the OP.
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Not top 5.
Hashirama
Madara
Obito
Naruto
Nagato
Kabuto
Sasuke
Itachi
Minato
Mu
I put him as 8th.
Hashirama
Madara
Obito
Naruto
Nagato
Kabuto
Sasuke
Itachi
Minato
Mu
I put him as 8th.
