And that is when I say, One does not simply forget about Hiruzen U_U he is without doubt the best sensei, and the one who influenced most senseis throughout Konoha. Iruka get his ideals from Hiru. All students that become genins will have some of his ideals, so they will basically have the 3rds ideals as well..
Jiraya has his ideals
Minato has Jirayas
Kakashi has Minatos,
And Naruto has Kakashi/Jirayas thus making it Minato/Hiruzens as well. Then comes Bee, who got his ideals from the 4th and thus the 3rd raikage.. Also he has ideals from Yamato and Fukasaka as well. Even Nagato left something for his beliefs, which again comes from Jiraya.
So one may deduce Hiru to be the overall most influential sensei in Konoha. Naruto might surpass him though.. But none other comes within his range... U_U
@bold if u trace back that influence for one generation we have Hashirama and Tobirama so will i be right in saying that 1st and 2nd Hokages are the best sensei bcos they even trained hiruzen
Dude you really arent helping yourself, if maybe you didnt cling onto the beliefs that the teacher had that they passed onto their student and actually talk about something of more relevance then i might give you my time and pick you apart. Ive already said in my previous post that if based on beliefs/morals passed on then its jiraiya. I dont base a teacher's teaching ability to this but rather, the student's talent and the time it takes from what the student was before they were trained.
Fact that you asked, what has madara trained obito in is enough for me to say that, you really aren't worth taking time with. Clearly your maga knolwedge is lacking if you ask me this. Might however reply.
Izanagi is a technique that madara wouldve taught obito. Its an uchiha kinjutsu that before obito bet madara would have no idea. An uchiha legend like madara, however would know about this technique and its him, that taught about this.
Its also him that taught obito uchiha kaijin which is another uchiha technique, but this time a barrier. A technique that 13 year old obito before he met madara's most likely had no idea and going again by madara being the legend of uchiha would know.
Its possible madara's influence with taijutsu that allowed him to troll the anbu's with ease
Sharingan genjutsu, is another, something that before obito met madara though he had awakened the sharingan hadnt shown. Its due to madara's influence that he was able to control the kyuubi, something that so far only madara has done. Its obvious its madara's who polished obito's genjutsu to a degree to control the fox. He has later showed other genjutsu ability.
Its due to madara's influence that has allowed obito to use chakra chains and gedo mazo.
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Madara even confirmed here that he taught obito izanagi when he said he will teach him the uchiha kinjutsu. With rikoudo jutsu, im unsure what this is and the same can be said about inyouton jutsu, though the later has to do with yin and yang energy.
Can you at least read the op before posting? It gives the impression that youre not too bright when you post w.o reading. This thread isnt abojt which sensei made their student the most op, its about who made them a good person along with abilities etc. If you dont think thats a valid criterion then make your own thread stating this. If this had been a debate competition you would have flunked simply because you failed to read the thread. You can say jiraiya fails as a sensei while madara is great etc i dont really give a fck about vs shit like that anymore, but your post was ignorant of the topic. And here i thought blaze release knew better, guess not lol.
@bold if u trace back that influence for one generation we have Hashirama and Tobirama so will i be right in saying that 1st and 2nd Hokages are the best sensei bcos they even trained hiruzen
Can you at least read the op before posting? It gives the impression that youre not too bright when you post w.o reading. This thread isnt abojt which sensei made their student the most op, its about who made them a good person along with abilities etc. If you dont think thats a valid criterion then make your own thread stating this. If this had been a debate competition you would have flunked simply because you failed to read the thread. You can say jiraiya fails as a sensei while madara is great etc i dont really give a fck about vs shit like that anymore, but your post was ignorant of the topic. And here i thought blaze release knew better, guess not lol.
@bold if u trace back that influence for one generation we have Hashirama and Tobirama so will i be right in saying that 1st and 2nd Hokages are the best sensei bcos they even trained hiruzen
Well they are the "origin" of Konoha, but the one that formed Konoha, and gave the villagers true ideals was Hiruzen. I think he was a better teacher than his own. The 1st died before war started, so he didn't get to teach Hiru much.. Tobirama died during the war, and you cannot teach your student many of your ideals as a kage, when war is going on. The kage will have only one job during war, and that is to protect his village, and make sure that he wont leave a mess for the next generation, when it's their time to take over. Why else would Hiru use the death reaper seal? He had to be sure that the next generation wasn't gonna face his mistake (oro).
Of course you may say that Tobirama had the chance to teach Hiru all his ideals before the war, but the longer you live, the more you can change/improve your masters and your own ideals. Hiruzen definitely did more than Tobirama - according to what we know of course.
you again .... wait a second, madara tought obito how to be a good person ?? causing war, death, manipulation and havoc on konoha and the rest of the shinobi world makes obito a good guy motivated by wanting to put people to sleep HAHAHAHAHAHAHA U_U please ..... did you change your mind already, i remember (in this same thread) that you agreed that madara didn't make obito a good guy (of course) and that it doesn't matter to you but now this .... you messtup BAD ...
First of all, putting everyone to sleep isnt making someone a good person. Thats like saying put kids on heroin in rl, that way they wont feel any more pain. What madara taught obito was EXACTLY the same.
Instead of standing up to the pain and facing it, he taught him how to be a coward (something uchihas are really good at) and hide behind a mask while asking others to fight for them: nagato and akatsuki.
And even if we talk power, what did madara really do? He put him on steroids, thats what. No self respecting personal trainer would do that and call himself any good. Obitos ms awoke on its own, and madara didnt TEACH him anything. I mean if you think the guy who shoves the needle with the steroid juice into you is a good 'trainer' then theres not much i can say to you lol.
First of all, putting everyone to sleep isnt making someone a good person. Thats like saying put kids on heroin in rl, that way they wont feel any more pain. What madara taught obito was EXACTLY the same.
Instead of standing up to the pain and facing it, he taught him how to be a coward (something uchihas are really good at) and hide behind a mask while asking others to fight for them: nagato and akatsuki.
And even if we talk power, what did madara really do? He put him on steroids, thats what. No self respecting personal trainer would do that and call himself any good. Obitos ms awoke on its own, and madara didnt TEACH him anything. I mean if you think the guy who shoves the needle with the steroid juice into you is a good 'trainer' then theres not much i can say to you lol.
Madara's plan is extreme and though a form of goodwill it depends on how you translate his motives. His motives are the same as the older brother, How you perceive his form of 'peace' is subjective
Steriods?, i take it you mean hashirama's dna which was needed otherwise obito was a gooner. Obito awake ms, however that was madara's plan, he sure didnt activate it for him. As for madara not teaching him anything, ive just uploaded a whole bunch of things that he taught him, you even quoted that reply.
That other guy however isnt worth a reply because he was dispatched and resulted to the safe 'hater' jibe. Seems like he wants back my attention by quoting me and for unknown reasons furiously typing HA though i very much doubt he is laughing irl
Madara's plan is extreme and though a form of goodwill it depends on how you translate his motives. His motives are the same as the older brother, How you perceive his form of 'peace' is subjective
Steriods?, i take it you mean hashirama's dna which was needed otherwise obito was a gooner. Obito awake ms, however that was madara's plan, he sure didnt activate it for him. As for madara not teaching him anything, ive just uploaded a whole bunch of things that he taught him, you even quoted that reply.
That other guy however isnt worth a reply because he was dispatched and resulted to the safe 'hater' jibe. Seems like he wants back my attention by quoting me and for unknown reasons furiously typing HA though i very much doubt he is laughing irl
Well it all boils down to perspective so i agree there. Yes i meant hashis dna being the steroids. What i think would have made madara a candidate here was if he sweated it out and painstakingly took his time to train obito in jutsus. And when obito fails to learn, he still goes at it and pushes him to exertions . That would be a real sensei. Just giving a powerful dna doesnt increase madaras teaching credentials.
Alright but i think thats it from me i dont wanna get involved in any ruckus here so no comments about your argument with that other guy from me.
Well it all boils down to perspective so i agree there. Yes i meant hashis dna being the steroids. What i think would have made madara a candidate here was if he sweated it out and painstakingly took his time to train obito in jutsus. And when obito fails to learn, he still goes at it and pushes him to exertions . That would be a real sensei. Just giving a powerful dna doesnt increase madaras teaching credentials.
Obito wouldve died without hashirama's dna, that is something that it seems you dont understand. Madara wasnt feeding him 'steroids', that was simply the only way for him to stay alive, im surprised i have to explain this to you of all people. You also seem to duel on this fact yet disregard that madara has taught him techniques
I didnt want to get into any ruckus aswell, however i do get annoyed when somebody disagree's with you instead of uploading manga facts and what not, just call them a hater or divert the discussion into something else. That to me seems childish and if anything, that motivates me to even dug up harsh facts. One of the reasons i dont even bother quoting anybody (if you release its him who quoted mefirst) and if i do its somebody who will actually put up a fight using the manga facts rather than, use the troll button and call you a hater when they cannot take the heat.
If you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen or in this case if you cannot take the argument dont quote me
why does jiraiya and kakashi have the most votes all he did was tell naruto to learn a new big ball barely helped him control the fox and basically spied on women???? kakashi we all know hisa track record of all sasuke.?????
I'd have to go with Jiraiya, he has taught some of the strongest shinobi in the entire series. He's also funny as hell and teaches his students more than just how to fight. Every time I think of Jiraiya I think of him sharing a Popsicle with Naruto and it makes me sad he's gone. No J-man why?!
his students are either evil or dead. besides tsunade whom i doubt he taught anything to due to the fact he favoured oro who ended up being evil anyway. favouritism = horrible mentor.
half his students are either evil or dead. the other half were only strong because of others. nagato was only strong due to rinnegan. naruto became strong after training under kakashi and fukasaku and bee
minato blows as a sensei considering one of his students is dead fodder(Rin) and the other is an evil friend zone loser maniac pyscho, hellbent on ruling the world
you singled out minato when hiruzen and jiraiya had evil students too? minato never showed any favouritism, he simply had other duties to take care of. thats just his bad luck that kakashi killed rin when he was off fighting an entire army
Jiraiya taught Minato,yahiko,konan,nagato who were all good people in their death and died to save or defend others
Jiraiya's disciple naruto is still fighting to bring true peace to the world
going by your own logic
jiraiya did not teach minato rasengan
jiraiya did not teach minato fuinjutsu. kushina did.
jiraiya did not teach nagato rain tiger, barriers or six paths of pain. he created those skills himself
jiraiya did not teach naruto anything besides rasengan and summoning. he learnt the rest off other people.
jiraiya did not stop minatos teammates presumably dying.
madara or tsunade no other person brought a relatively weak genin so far in such a short time.
his students are either evil or dead. besides tsunade whom i doubt he taught anything to due to the fact he favoured oro who ended up being evil anyway. favouritism = horrible mentor.
half his students are either evil or dead. the other half were only strong because of others. nagato was only strong due to rinnegan. naruto became strong after training under kakashi and fukasaku and bee
admitted he was a horrible sensei to sakura
you singled out minato when hiruzen and jiraiya had evil students too? minato never showed any favouritism, he simply had other duties to take care of. thats just his bad luck that kakashi killed rin when he was off fighting an entire army
going by your own logic
jiraiya did not teach minato rasengan
jiraiya did not teach minato fuinjutsu. kushina did.
jiraiya did not teach nagato rain tiger, barriers or six paths of pain. he created those skills himself
jiraiya did not teach naruto anything besides rasengan and summoning. he learnt the rest off other people.
jiraiya did not stop minatos teammates presumably dying.
Jiraiya. Look at his students, Nagato, Minato, Naruto, Konan....all skilled ninja. Jiraiya himself wasn't a naturally talented shinobi and worked hard to get where he was. He instilled the same hard working attitude into his students, as well as teaching them positive ideals like the importance of peace.
While you could say he failed because of what happened with Nagato, it really wasn't his fault, he did all he could. Nagato was a victim of the war torn country he grew up in, and further corrupted by Obito.
What?! It has to be Tobirama. He taught Hiruzen (Sandaime), who taught Jiraiya (Toad Sage), who taught Minato (Yondaime). Hiruzen also taught Tsunade (Godaime and Tobirama's grandniece); basically he influenced all the future Hokage. Not to mention that Minato based his S/T off of Tobirama. Furthermore, Minato taught Kakashi (possible future Hokage), who then taught Naruto (future Hokage). Hashirama and Tobirama both influenced Hiruzen in his ideals, who then in turn influenced Konohamaru (possible future Hokage). When it comes down to it, it's all about Tobirama.
