[Discussion] So a tired Jack...

[Punk Hazard]

Not necessarily. Anything is possible at this point for we don't actually know what really happened during the clash. There is no definitive proof to say that they both fought him so calling them idiots just because they disagree with you isn't really cool. Jack requiring two admirals to get beaten that too after when he battled Dukes for 5 whole days without any break sounds a bit over exaggerated to me. I don't think they'd just leave the ship that was carrying Joker unprotected for the sake of fighting Jack when he's going around and destroying the ships and we don't even know if all of them are being held captive in same ship.

For all we know he would have beaten by one of those 3(Likely Fujitora) when two of them are guarding the ships that are carrying criminals or two of them fought Jack with the remaining protecting the ship. There is nothing wrong with thinking that he was beaten by one as there is no definitive proof from manga to say that he'd fare any better than Marco against an admiral. Assuming that he as capable as Marco, he doesn't require two admirals to be beaten.

There's a difference between Jack needing two Admirals to beat him, and two Admirals deciding to fight him at the same time because it gets results as quickly as possible.

As I said before, there's still O-Tsuru-Chan watching over Doffy. Even if she wasnt, the two of them combining their power to remove Jack as soon as possible would make having someone watch Doflamingo pointless. There's no need to guard Doffy if you remove the threat as quickly as possible.

 

[A v i]

There's a difference between Jack needing two Admirals to beat him, and two Admirals deciding to fight him at the same time because it gets results as quickly as possible.

As I said before, there's still O-Tsuru-Chan watching over Doffy. Even if she wasnt, the two of them combining their power to remove Jack as soon as possible would make having someone watch Doflamingo pointless. There's no need to guard Doffy if you remove the threat as quickly as possible.

I know the difference, what I was trying to point out is that noting is conformed as of yet. There are times when the most logical conclusions turned out to be wrong. I know fighting him together would end it quickly but we don't what actually happened and what they're thinking while dealing with him. Sengoku should've went to deal with SH's to make things easier but he choose not to , hell they actually let Fujitora go alone because he'd be more than enough to deal with them so why should I believe that it'd be different in this case? Dukes would've probably taken out Jack if they choose to fight Jack, even if they couldn't beat him the chances are very high if they combine their forces but they didn't even though it sounds more reasonable. So, you can't go around and claim it to be the actual case just because it sounds reasonable.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I know the difference, what I was trying to point out is that noting is conformed as of yet. There are times when the most logical conclusions turned out to be wrong. I know fighting him together would end it quickly but we don't what actually happened and what they're thinking while dealing with him. Sengoku should've went to deal with SH's to make things easier but he choose not to , hell they actually let Fujitora go alone because he'd be more than enough to deal with them so why should I believe that it'd be different in this case? Dukes would've probably taken out Jack if they choose to fight Jack, even if they couldn't beat him the chances are very high if they combine their forces but they didn't even though it sounds more reasonable. So, you can't go around and claim it to be the actual case just because it sounds reasonable.

For one, Fujitora didn't go alone. He had troops of Marines and a Vice-Admiral with him, as well as CP-0 being dispatched to the island. The case with Jack would require defeating him quickly because the best of them are all DF users, they're in open waters, and their ships are being sunk. While in cases like Sabaody and Dressrosa are in open land and can handled at a shorter pace

There's no reason to assume that they didn't.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Obviously he did. If he is attacking the Marines, then obviously Sengoku and Fujitora would fight him together.

I think he meant it never said he had a tough battle with the admirals. With the power we saw from Jack is it that far fetched to assume he sunk 2 ships right off the bat then the Admirals came up and since he had been fighting for 5 days and travelling for about 1-2 more they put him down relatively easy together?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I think he meant it never said he had a tough battle with the admirals. With the power we saw from Jack is it that far fetched to assume he sunk 2 ships right off the bat then the Admirals came up and since he had been fighting for 5 days and travelling for about 1-2 more they put him down relatively easy together?

Like I said earlier, the Marines probably have lookouts, so they should have known that the Himdred Beast Pirates were coming to attack them before the Pirates got in range to attack.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I think he meant it never said he had a tough battle with the admirals. With the power we saw from Jack is it that far fetched to assume he sunk 2 ships right off the bat then the Admirals came up and since he had been fighting for 5 days and travelling for about 1-2 more they put him down relatively easy together?

That's exactly what Macho and I are trying to say. The great feat part of that is that he managed to probably survive.

 

[chopstickchakra]

That's exactly what Macho and I are trying to say. The great feat part of that is that he managed to probably survive.

Who probably survived? Jack? Didn't it say there was a news release about his death? I don't think the marines would make a mistake like assuming he was dead and putting out an article claiming he died during an attack on their convoy.

Like I said earlier, the Marines probably have lookouts, so they should have known that the Himdred Beast Pirates were coming to attack them before the Pirates got in range to attack.

Full disclosure I only read your first post, I didn't read the whole thread but that's a good point, they should have seen them coming but just because that's true doesn't mean the admirals would join right away still, MF they sat back and let things unfold for awhile before getting involved. We'll only know how it went when Oda decides to show us.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Who probably survived? Jack? Didn't it say there was a news release about his death? I don't think the marines would make a mistake like assuming he was dead and putting out an article claiming he died during an attack on their convoy.



Full disclosure I only read your first post, I didn't read the whole thread but that's a good point, they should have seen them coming but just because that's true doesn't mean the admirals would join right away still, MF they sat back and let things unfold for awhile before getting involved. We'll only know how it went when Oda decides to show us.

There was an obituary, but it was said he's most likely alive and his body wasn't found. I doubt Oda would kill off such a majorly powerful antagonist without showing him actually fight.

 

[A v i]

For one, Fujitora didn't go alone. He had troops of Marines and a Vice-Admiral with him, as well as CP-0 being dispatched to the island. The case with Jack would require defeating him quickly because the best of them are all DF users, they're in open waters, and their ships are being sunk. While in cases like Sabaody and Dressrosa are in open land and can handled at a shorter pace

There's no reason to assume that they didn't.

What? He had them but he went alone to take their heads. Luffy and Co have number advantage yet none of them bother helping Fujitora. They were trying to run away so they have every possible reason to attack with everything they've got to complete the mission as soon as possible. You're going at it again, You're simply assuming that it's a fact just because it sounds more reasonable when we have more then ample of instances in which things happened differently.

They apparently didn't, Wada separated two groups when she said that he was unsuccessful at defeating them and her choice of words while describing how the battle lasted five days makes it even more obvious that they didn't fight as a group. Further more, Duke Ina already conformed that they're going to fight in shifts.

 

[-ahhimane-]

But fujitora stayed on dressrosa for , I think, three days after doflamingo's defeat. And the news spread quickly on the day of his defeat itself. And later on, fujitora, general and tsuru were on their way to impel down.
That means, Jack had two to three days for recovery on his ship. Though i still think that he might not have recovered completely.

 

[Bogard]

Jack has a billion berry bounty and is someone Luffy said was too strong to be Kaidos underling just by hearing the tale. I am not that surprised be honest

 

[giostep]

Not necessarily. Anything is possible at this point for we don't actually know what really happened during the clash. There is no definitive proof to say that they both fought him so calling them idiots just because they disagree with you isn't really cool. Jack requiring two admirals to get beaten that too after when he battled Dukes for 5 whole days without any break sounds a bit over exaggerated to me. I don't think they'd just leave the ship that was carrying Joker unprotected for the sake of fighting Jack when he's going around and destroying the ships and we don't even know if all of them are being held captive in same ship.

For all we know he would have beaten by one of those 3(Likely Fujitora) when two of them are guarding the ships that are carrying criminals or two of them fought Jack with the remaining protecting the ship. There is nothing wrong with thinking that he was beaten by one as there is no definitive proof from manga to say that he'd fare any better than Marco against an admiral. Assuming that he as capable as Marco, he doesn't require two admirals to be beaten.

This.

1. There are too many times in OP that the fight was solo when it would have been faster to do a group. Since Doffy was basically a criminal half way through Doffy vs Luffy Fujitora could have happily joined the fight and taken down the exhausted Luffy and as some OP member put it a "Half-Dead" doffy. But Fuji did not do that he stayed back, hell even Sabo decided to let Luffy handle it and he could have also helped, the situation on Dressrosa was so dire that the most logical thing to do was gang Doffy and that did not happen. If luffy would not have won, there is only a hand full of people that would have probably survived the cage and the Marines would have been at fault for letting Doffy kill everyone in the country without so much as a helping hand in the actual fight vs Doffy...I say all that to say that OP doesnt follow our Logic...IRL a military would not depend on the bad guys to take out the bad guys when the entire fate of a country depends on it...
2. Jack was not said to be physically exhausted, he was running out of patience and thats why he used the gas, as far as we know.
3. Why make a threat for peoples comments, and then call them stupid for not agreeing? What was the purpose of making the thread? To have people praise you as a genius and not have an opinion of thier own? As far as i know people make thread to have arguments, and calling someone dumb in an argument is not cool bros.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

This is just getting pathetic. It should be very obvious that Sengoku and Fujitora both fought Jack.

 

[A v i]

This is just getting pathetic. It should be very obvious that Sengoku and Fujitora both fought Jack.

Being obvious doesn't make it a fact. That's what you've to understand. We all know that them fighting him together makes more sense. It simply means that it's closer to being true but that doesn't make it the actual case.

 

[giostep]

This is just getting pathetic. It should be very obvious that the world is flat.

This is how it sounds to me...

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

This is how it sounds to me...

Your post makes no sense. How is that even related to what I said?

 

[giostep]

Your post makes no sense. How is that even related to what I said?

TBH i wont even bother explaining. What some of us are saying is that, we dont know how the fight went, and there are multiple possiblities on how the events actually happened. We dont know if it was a 1 v 1, 2 v 1, 3 v 1, what we do know is that 2 ships were sunk, we dont know who was on it or how it happened. Since we dont know, we cannot just say as fact what happened. A lot of people are arguing the fact that the fight of Jack vs the Navy could have been 1 v 1 because so far thats how most battles are in OP when it comes to the strongest characters. But your steadfast insulting certain people for thinking that, when tbh they have more evidence that it could be 1 v1 than you may have for 2 or 3 v 1...