[Discussion] Smoker>Zoro my ass

[TheHokage]

You're all mad if you think Luffy's marine rival is below Luffy's second in command, after all there would be no point of Smoker being Luffy's rival if he's weaker than Zoro for plot purposes alone Smoker is not only required to be stronger it's also for story consistency as what would be the point of having Oda making Luffy and Smoker rivals/enemies when Zoro could beat him, use a bit of common sense. It's like Garp being weaker than Rayleigh even though his rival was Roger. Just because Zoro hasn't lost post time skip doesn't mean he's stronger it just means he hasn't battled people as strong as Smoker. Not to mention if you want to go by win loss ratio Zoro has actually lost more battles than Smoker has throughout the series.

Law=Luffy>=Smoker>Zoro

 

[U mAd]

You're all mad if you think Luffy's marine rival is below Luffy's second in command, after all there would be no point of Smoker being Luffy's rival if he's weaker than Zoro. It's like Garp being weaker than Rayleigh. Just because Zoro hasn't lost post time skip doesn't mean he's stronger it just means he hasn't battled people as strong as Smoker. Not to mention if you want to go by win loss ratio Zoro has actually lost more battles than Smoker has throughout the series.

Law=Luffy>=Smoker>Zoro

well i ain't going by loss/win ratio.for me feats>hype.time skip zoro feats>smoker feats.
zoro is faster or maybe smoker is equal in terms of speed but stronger and a hell lot more durable then smoker.soker got soloed just after one hit from flamingo and sanji took a direct hit and was still kicking.zoro is definitely stronger then smoker.

 

[xanonymosx]

well i ain't going by loss/win ratio.for me feats>hype.time skip zoro feats>smoker feats.
zoro is faster or maybe smoker is equal in terms of speed but stronger and a hell lot more durable then smoker.soker got soloed just after one hit from flamingo and sanji took a direct hit and was still kicking.zoro is definitely stronger then smoker.

plus zoro is not a df user so smokers sea stone has no affect on him and most importantly zoro can use bh now he can merge it with his flying slashs also
man smokey is going to need alot of stitchs after this fight xd

 

[Hexuze]

You're all mad if you think Luffy's marine rival is below Luffy's second in command, after all there would be no point of Smoker being Luffy's rival if he's weaker than Zoro for plot purposes alone Smoker is not only required to be stronger it's also for story consistency as what would be the point of having Oda making Luffy and Smoker rivals/enemies when Zoro could beat him, use a bit of common sense. It's like Garp being weaker than Rayleigh even though his rival was Roger. Just because Zoro hasn't lost post time skip doesn't mean he's stronger it just means he hasn't battled people as strong as Smoker. Not to mention if you want to go by win loss ratio Zoro has actually lost more battles than Smoker has throughout the series.

Law=Luffy>=Smoker>Zoro

I completely agree.

 

[U mAd]

people who are smoker fans have only one thing to go with.smoker is luffy's marine rival.nope smoker is just another guy whom luffy has left in the dust.marinefold luffy was better then smoker he just couldn't hit him.it would only make sense that zoro has surpassed him now.smoker has shown nothing that can beat zoro yet.

 

[xanonymosx]

Law=Luffy>=Smoker>Zoro

let`s take luffy out of the equation ,we will have law>=smoker>zoro
so you are saying smoker is equal or a litter weaker than law?
but smoker got high-diffed by law and lost his conscious man that dsnt make sense

 

[U mAd]

let`s take luffy out of the equation ,we will have law>=smoker>zoro
so you are saying smoker is equal or a litter weaker than law?
but smoker got high-diffed by law and lost his conscious man that dsnt make sense

high diffed it was low-mid diff at most

 

[ultraChalk]

Based on what we've seen, Smoker can beat Zoro.

 

[U mAd]

Based on what we've seen, Smoker can beat Zoro.

based on what u have senn.law kicking his ass or vergo foderizing him.

 

[Apêx1]

Zoro would mid diff him at this point.

 

[My Username]

Based on what we've seen, Smoker can beat Zoro.

Seen what? Fanfiction doesnt count

 

[TheHokage]

well i ain't going by loss/win ratio.for me feats>hype.time skip zoro feats>smoker feats.
zoro is faster or maybe smoker is equal in terms of speed but stronger and a hell lot more durable then smoker.soker got soloed just after one hit from flamingo and sanji took a direct hit and was still kicking.zoro is definitely stronger then smoker.

What feats does Zoro have post time skip that put him above Smoker over than beating a bunch of fodders? Not to mention Smoker was shown to be fast enough that Luffy had to set the ground on fire for him to keep up also Smoker was matching and beating Vergo in speed which only Sanji was able to do and Sanji>Zoro in speed not to mention you go by feats what feat does Zoro have that beats Smoker in speed.

Smoker got one shotted please tell me how you know this? The fight was off panel not to mention you find it impressive that Dolfamingo was able to one shot an injured jitteless Smoker? When Doflamingo has been shown beating Law, Sanji and Luffy in the confrontations he had with them? Durable please Smoker took Haki hits from Vergo and still stood up, Sanji was hit once in a non CoA hit and had his bones crack.

people who are smoker fans have only one thing to go with.smoker is luffy's marine rival.nope smoker is just another guy whom luffy has left in the dust.marinefold luffy was better then smoker he just couldn't hit him.it would only make sense that zoro has surpassed him now.smoker has shown nothing that can beat zoro yet.

No not really it's something called story consistency throughout the series Smoker and Luffy have been fighting so Oda wouldn't have Smoker at the level were he couldn't fight Luffy to an extreme diff fight that's what you call bad writing not to mention Smoker is going to be fighting Luffy again in the future so him chasing Luffy while being weaker than Luffy's second in command makes no sense.

let`s take luffy out of the equation ,we will have law>=smoker>zoro
so you are saying smoker is equal or a litter weaker than law?
but smoker got high-diffed by law and lost his conscious man that dsnt make sense

You're looking at the Law vs Smoker fight in a very obtuse way, Smoker was over powering Law hence the reason Law had to use the strategy of blindsiding Smoker for a split second to allow Law to get a 1 hit KO technique in put Luffy, Zoro or anyone else in the same situation and it would have happened to them.

high diffed it was low-mid diff at most

But Smoker was shown over powering and had Law on the run again you are looking at the fight in a very obtuse way and if that's the case the Yeti brothers no diff'd Zoro.

Zoro would mid diff him at this point.

Yet it makes no sense for story consistency for this to be possible considering Luffy is Smoker's enemy not Zoro.

Seen what? Fanfiction doesnt count

Well stop using it and prove feats that Zoro has that puts him above Smoker.

 

[ultraChalk]

based on what u have senn.law kicking his ass or vergo foderizing him.

Law didn't kick his ass, he was on the ropes the whole match. Vergo was on an entirely different level, so there's no shame in losing to him. And even then, he put up a very,, very good match.

Seen what? Fanfiction doesnt count

The manga.

let`s take luffy out of the equation ,we will have law>=smoker>zoro
so you are saying smoker is equal or a litter weaker than law?
but smoker got high-diffed by law and lost his conscious man that dsnt make sense

What the, it makes perfect sense. If Whitebeard gets high diffed by Roger, that means he's a little stronger than him. If Luffy dominates Coby, that means he's completely stronger than him.

 

[xanonymosx]

What the, it makes perfect sense. If Whitebeard gets high diffed by Roger, that means he's a little stronger than him. If Luffy dominates Coby, that means he's completely stronger than him.

no it dsnt if law beat him extreme diff that means any one of them could have win and that means smoker is as or alittle weaker but high diff means he had some troubles just that and law didnt have that much of troubles with smoker

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

You're all mad if you think Luffy's marine rival is below Luffy's second in command, after all there would be no point of Smoker being Luffy's rival if he's weaker than Zoro for plot purposes alone Smoker is not only required to be stronger it's also for story consistency as what would be the point of having Oda making Luffy and Smoker rivals/enemies when Zoro could beat him, use a bit of common sense. It's like Garp being weaker than Rayleigh even though his rival was Roger. Just because Zoro hasn't lost post time skip doesn't mean he's stronger it just means he hasn't battled people as strong as Smoker. Not to mention if you want to go by win loss ratio Zoro has actually lost more battles than Smoker has throughout the series.

Law=Luffy>=Smoker>Zoro

Please do explain how Smoker counters Asura:3240 pound cannon.

 

[ultraChalk]

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no it dsnt if law beat him extreme diff that means any one of them could have win and that means smoker is as or alittle stronger but high diff means he had some troubles just that and law didnt have that much of troubles with smoker

Seems to me you're getting technical. The gap between high and extreme diff, isn't very large. Put them up against each other again and the outcome will be very, very different. Let's not forget that Smoker was learning and observing Laws DF, mid battle as Law does have a very complex ability... Smokers however, at the time that they fought was very simple to see through, as most logia are.

A large part of the reason Law won was due to Smokers ignorance of his DF, and he exploited this weakness of his.

Please do explain how Smoker counters Asura:3240 pound cannon.

Maybe idk, expanding or dodging?

 

[xanonymosx]

Seems to me you're getting technical. The gap between high and extreme diff, isn't very large. Put them up against each other again and the outcome will be very, very different. Let's not forget that Smoker was learning and observing Laws DF, mid battle as Law does have a very complex ability... Smokers however, at the time that they fought was very simple to see through, as most logia are.

so if fights zoro his ability will be complex ?

 

[ultraChalk]

so if fights zoro his ability will be complex ?

Nope. Seen 1 swordsman, you've seen em all... the only complexity that Zoro has is Asura, which Smoker can tough out and work around.

 

[U mAd]

What feats does Zoro have post time skip that put him above Smoker over than beating a bunch of fodders? Not to mention Smoker was shown to be fast enough that Luffy had to set the ground on fire for him to keep up also Smoker was matching and beating Vergo in speed which only Sanji was able to do and Sanji>Zoro in speed not to mention you go by feats what feat does Zoro have that beats Smoker in speed.

Smoker got one shotted please tell me how you know this? The fight was off panel not to mention you find it impressive that Dolfamingo was able to one shot an injured jitteless Smoker? When Doflamingo has been shown beating Law, Sanji and Luffy in the confrontations he had with them? Durable please Smoker took Haki hits from Vergo and still stood up, Sanji was hit once in a non CoA hit and had his bones crack.

sanji's body was used as a tank by nami before that.his body was in bad shape.



No not really it's something called story consistency throughout the series Smoker and Luffy have been fighting so Oda wouldn't have Smoker at the level were he couldn't fight Luffy to an extreme diff fight that's what you call bad writing not to mention Smoker is going to be fighting Luffy again in the future so him chasing Luffy while being weaker than Luffy's second in command makes no sense.

there is no proof that smoker will keep chasing luffy.

You're looking at the Law vs Smoker fight in a very obtuse way, Smoker was over powering Law hence the reason Law had to use the strategy of blindsiding Smoker for a split second to allow Law to get a 1 hit KO technique in put Luffy, Zoro or anyone else in the same situation and it would have happened to them.

that was a suprise attack/it dosn't count.

But Smoker was shown over powering and had Law on the run again you are looking at the fight in a very obtuse way and if that's the case the Yeti brothers no diff'd Zoro.

for a short period

Yet it makes no sense for story consistency for this to be possible considering Luffy is Smoker's enemy not Zoro.

that might have changed since punk hazzard

Well stop using it and prove feats that Zoro has that puts him above Smoker.

tell me how smoker handles 1080 pound hou.other ans in quote @bold

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Seems to me you're getting technical. The gap between high and extreme diff, isn't very large. Put them up against each other again and the outcome will be very, very different. Let's not forget that Smoker was learning and observing Laws DF, mid battle as Law does have a very complex ability... Smokers however, at the time that they fought was very simple to see through, as most logia are.

A large part of the reason Law won was due to Smokers ignorance of his DF, and he exploited this weakness of his.

Maybe idk, expanding or dodging?

Did you see 1080 pound cannon? Smoker can not dodge an attack 3x stronger than that. Sorry dude but a Zoro that hasn't even gone all out yet has shown better feats than Smoker.