[Discussion] Smoker vs pica

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Akainu never showed that he could put Haki on Dai Funka, Aokiji never showed that he could put Haki on Ice Pheasant or Ice Age, Kizaru never showed that he could put Haki on his lasers, Fujitora never showed that he could use Haki on his meteors, and Mihawk never showed that he could put Haki on his long range slashes. So I guess we are just going to assume that none of them can put Haki on their long range attacks.
That's completely different. You're saying Pica definitely used invisible Haki on his Golem. I'm asking where is the proof of this?
 

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Why does he need to cover the entire golem with haki? He can just use it on minor parts enough to hurt Smokey. He probably didn't use haki on his rock structures because he didn't need it. It's not like he was fighting a logia
Like his fingers? He can't do that cause he is still huge.
 

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We know Pica is a Haki user, so why would he not be able to put Haki on his long range attacks, unlike everyone else?
Well, for one, they need to originate or be close to your body first. I doubt he could extend his Haki onto a fist while he's in the head since the fist would be so far away. Like I said, there's no proof for you to say it with such confidence.
 

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Smoker Mid diff at most.

Pica in his golem form can't hurt Smoker, leaving Pica to fight him in his actual body and from what we've seen from Pica he's nothing special in his actual form and his haki strength didn't look that impressive.
 

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Smoker Mid diff at most.

Pica in his golem form can't hurt Smoker, leaving Pica to fight him in his actual body and from what we've seen from Pica he's nothing special in his actual form and his haki strength didn't look that impressive.
Smoker can't hurt Pica either in his golem form.. he still has no dc that proves he can even force Pika out even if he punches it for hundred years
 

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Smoker can't hurt Pica either in his golem form.. he still has no dc that proves he can even force Pika out even if he punches it for hundred years
Yeah but the fact is Pica can only fight Smoker in his actual body same with Smoker he hasn't shown the destructive capabilities to do so as it's not his style of fighting. However should Smoker and Pica fight and Pica is in his real body Smoker shits on him.
 

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But then he is vulnerable for counter attack.
How again?


Cutting his rock structures are useless unless you finds a way to attack the original

He can shape rock at will:

Also, you know he can do these things right?

All what he needs to do is to imbue haki on minor sections of rocks(during his offensive). We've seen since amazon lily that imbuing haki on external objects was possible. Not sure why people think it is impossible or something
 

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Well Pica has superior Haki, that much isn't doubted.

However, what is smoker going to do to a stone assimilating man?

His punches and kicks are completely futile here, and what does smoke do to pica besides giving him chances to damage smoker?

Pica wields a 6 ft blade as well, something smoker doesn't do too well with.

Pica wins this because he looks to invulnerable in this match up
 

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Well Pica has superior Haki, that much isn't doubted.
And what's that based from? Pica who has no actual feats in his Haki...

However, what is smoker going to do to a stone assimilating man?
What is Pica going to do in his golem form to a logia?

His punches and kicks are completely futile here, and what does smoke do to pica besides giving him chances to damage smoker?
How so? Luffy only uses punches, Sanji only uses kicks how are they futile?

Pica wields a 6 ft blade as well, something smoker doesn't do too well with.
Because Smoker isn't a swordsman but was able to parry with Law...

Pica wins this because he looks to invulnerable in this match up
Pica has no feats in his actual human form to put him above Smoker and feats wise Smoker mid diffs him at most. Granted Smoker has no way of destroying the huge golem form however Pica in that form can't hurt Smoker either.
 

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And what's that based from? Pica who has no actual feats in his Haki...



What is Pica going to do in his golem form to a logia?



How so? Luffy only uses punches, Sanji only uses kicks how are they futile?



Because Smoker isn't a swordsman but was able to parry with Law...



Pica has no feats in his actual human form to put him above Smoker and feats wise Smoker mid diffs him at most. Granted Smoker has no way of destroying the huge golem form however Pica in that form can't hurt Smoker either.
What Haki feats does Smoker have?
 

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And what's that based from? Pica who has no actual feats in his Haki...
Read the latest chapter, that's a Haki feat right there.

Now try to impress me with smoker because according to your logic, smoker is all the same.

What is Pica going to do in his golem form to a logia?
You better be joking.

That golem man can damage logias and wield a blade twice his size.

How about chop him up for starters.


How so? Luffy only uses punches, Sanji only uses kicks how are they futile?
Unlike Smoker, they're body doesn't compose of smoke.

And their physical feat surpasses that of a logia like smoker.


Because Smoker isn't a swordsman but was able to parry with Law...
Since when does evading consist of parrying?

He didn't need his sword to finish off smoker.


Pica has no feats in his actual human form to put him above Smoker and feats wise Smoker mid diffs him at most. Granted Smoker has no way of destroying the huge golem form however Pica in that form can't hurt Smoker either.
What manga are you reading?
 
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Read the latest chapter, that's a Haki feat right there.

Now try to impress me with smoker because according to your logic, smoker is all the same.
What Haki feat full body haki? It's clearly shown it doesn't matter if you can use full body haki what matters is the strength of the haki which Pica has zero feats in. In fact its arguable that Bellamy's haki is better than Pica's.

Smoker with his haki was able to battle Law in his room, knock Vergo around (Who according to Sanji was a like hitting steel). That my friend is a feat being one shotted by Zoro is not.

You better be joking.

That golem man can damage logias and wield a blade twice his size.

How about chop him up for starters.
Where has it been shown that the huge golem form can use swords (not that it matters Pica's swordmanship is subpar at best...he's not even known for his swordsmanship. Oh really how does his golem hurt a logia?


Unlike Smoker, they're body doesn't compose of smoke.

And their physical feat surpasses that of a logia like smoker.
Uhmm...not really Smoker was easily able to accomplish something Sanji had to use a named attack to do with just a single punch...not to mention Smoker used his fists and kicks to fight not his smoke...No proof to suggest their physical stature is greater.


Since when does evading consist of parrying?
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Clearly see Law and Smoker parrying one another...

He didn't need his sword to finish off smoker.
Yeah he used a sneaky attack because he was physically being overpowered.


What manga are you reading?
One where you actually have to read, instead of looking at the pretty pictures and going wow...while misinterpreting everything due to selective reading.
 
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