SM Naruto, SM Jiraiya and SM Hashirama vs. EMS Madara, EMS Sasuke and MS Itachi

[AGoodBoy]

Not always, but that is only because:

-Either he chose to make it the following sizes.

-Sage Mode amped it when he was fighting Edo Madara.

I already know that Mokujin at VoTE and Mokujin at the Juubi Revival Arc are different sizes.

Most likely the SM. Even then, Mokujin's defences are no better than any other mokuton. A slash from enton sword, Susano'o sword or totsuka rips it's hands off.

Terrible logic considering PS is so far above a V3 or a V4 Susanoo that it isn't even funny. A comparison can't, and shouldn't be made.

Shinshuu, 5x and more the size of the PS, at the time, needed 1000 punches to remove it.
Mokujin is the size of Kyuubi/PS on it's best day. V3 legged susano'o(at least sasukes) is the size of a bijuu; At PS levels, Mokujin is 5x plus greater and can only throw 1 punch at a time.
Basically, The size difference of V3 and Hashi's best mokujin is about that of PS to Shinshuu. So, even though V3 is weaker than PS, mokujin is far far weaker than shinshuu. Mokujin isn't breaking a V3 when it took 9 bijuu to do it.

9 bijuu > Mokujin in mokujin's non-existent power output.

 

[KidGamer65]

Most likely the SM. Even then, Mokujin's defences are no better than any other mokuton. A slash from enton sword, Susano'o sword or totsuka rips it's hands off.

Don't know where this came from, but its false. PS swung its blade and Mokujin was still standing, meaning anything Team 2 has that isn't PS leveled in offense isn't doing anything to it.

Shinshuu, 5x and more the size of the PS, at the time, needed 1000 punches to remove it.

Mokujin is the size of Kyuubi/PS on it's best day. V3 legged susano'o(at least sasukes) is the size of a bijuu; At PS levels, Mokujin is 5x plus greater and can only throw 1 punch at a time.[/QUOTE]

Kyuubi is nowhere near PS in size, so putting them together like they are makes no sense....so it still completely dwarfs Sasuke's Susnaoo, which is only the size of Naruto's BM Avatar.

-These gates are Bijuu sized.

-Mokujin is FAR FAR larger than those gates.

-So its far far larger than Sasuke's V3 Susanoo.

Basically, The size difference of V3 and Hashi's best mokujin is about that of PS to Shinshuu. So, even though V3 is weaker than PS, mokujin is far far weaker than shinshuu. Mokujin isn't breaking a V3 when it took 9 bijuu to do it.

PS should be near Shinsuusenju's main body in height, that's a smaller difference than the difference between Mokujin and V3.

Not to mention your only base for this argument is size, even though Susanoo doesn't just work in size, it works in layers. Making a V3 as big as a PS doesn't mean that the V3 will equal PS. That is what would be the case if you were correct.

V3 is so much weaker than PS that it isn't even funny.....9 Bijuu slapped their tails on V3 and it smashed open and they took Madara's arm. Shinsuusenju barrage punched PS and it began to slowly flake off.

9 bijuu > Mokujin in mokujin's non-existent power output.

9 Bijuu smashed right through it and took Madara's arm along with it, the minimum power needed to obliterate it would leave the user unharmed, and even lower than that would have the armor slowly disappearing (Shinsuusenju vs Perfect Susanoo)

If it can equal something that is strong enough to destroy Mountains when it swings its sword, eventually it'll get past a V3 Susanoo, which is incomparably weaker than PS (I'm not saying that it equals PS in destructive output), even if it can't, he'll outlast these 3 anyway.

@unorthodox: I'll reply to your BS later.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Team Sages wins. First of all, PS is restricted, and Hashirama's wood golem in SM was portrayed as equal to PS.

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Hashirama will clearly beat Madara. Now on to Sasuke and Itachi. The biggest susanoo bar PS is this one.

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However, since it has neither a 1-tail cloak nor Juugo in this fight, it will be far weaker than portrayed in the manga.


Let me explain what they're dealing with. Jiraya can make huge bogs, so this will hinder the susanoo's movement and Hashirama can use seals to pin them down.

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On top of that, if Naruto uses this ransenshuriken........

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...... To enhance this fire style from Jiraya.......

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............. The resulting fire style ninjutsu will be too strong for any susanoo hit by it to survive (bar yata mirrior). Also, the enton excuse will not work since it's a fire style.

 

[Oblivionx]

team 1 wins for me...!
hashirama wins against madara mid to high diff without PS and shinsusenju...!
Naruto and sasuke would probably kill each other....!
Jiraya is stronger than itachi....!(admitted himself)..

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I forgot to mention this, but, all Naruto and Hashirama have to do is keep Team 2 busy while Jiraya preps sound genjutsu. This will take down all Uchihas and is not even debatable.

 

[Unorthodox]

Team Sages wins. First of all, PS is restricted, and Hashirama's wood golem in SM was portrayed as equal to PS.

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Hashirama will clearly beat Madara. Now on to Sasuke and Itachi. The biggest susanoo bar PS is this one.

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However, since it has neither a 1-tail cloak nor Juugo in this fight, it will be far weaker than portrayed in the manga.


Let me explain what they're dealing with. Jiraya can make huge bogs, so this will hinder the susanoo's movement and Hashirama can use seals to pin them down.

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On top of that, if Naruto uses this ransenshuriken........

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...... To enhance this fire style from Jiraya.......

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............. The resulting fire style ninjutsu will be too strong for any susanoo hit by it to survive (bar yata mirrior). Also, the enton excuse will not work since it's a fire style.

just stop enton rapes anyform of Rasenshuriken also its burns down or slices through the hotei gates and naruto or jiraiya isnt being a factor here when 1 amaterasu would kill them or susanoo arrow
Gamabunta fire style isnt burning through a ribcage let alone anyother form of susanoo enton>Katon no matter what the scal is also jiraiya is no way shape or form summoning any frogs especially when he's going to be one shotted

team 1 wins for me...!
hashirama wins against madara mid to high diff without PS and shinsusenju...!
Naruto and sasuke would probably kill each other....!
Jiraya is stronger than itachi....!(admitted himself)..

EMS Sasuke destroys SM naruto neg diff itachi punishes jiraiya

I forgot to mention this, but, all Naruto and Hashirama have to do is keep Team 2 busy while Jiraya preps sound genjutsu. This will take down all Uchihas and is not even debatable.

Hashirama is no where near quick enough to react to amaterasu speed jiraiya & naruto are killed off from the begining sound genjutsu is shit useless out side as all you need to do its stay away from the sound waves

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sound genjutsu is also useless they just look at each others eye in break it

 

[Sennin of Logic]

just stop enton rapes anyform of Rasenshuriken also its burns down or slices through the hotei gates and naruto or jiraiya isnt being a factor here when 1 amaterasu would kill them or susanoo arrow
Gamabunta fire style isnt burning through a ribcage let alone anyother form of susanoo enton>Katon no matter what the scal is also jiraiya is no way shape or form summoning any frogs especially when he's going to be one shotted


EMS Sasuke destroys SM naruto neg diff itachi punishes jiraiya


Hashirama is no where near quick enough to react to amaterasu speed jiraiya & naruto are killed off from the begining sound genjutsu is shit useless out side as all you need to do its stay away from the sound waves

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sound genjutsu is also useless they just look at each others eye in break it

Sigh. This is Gamabunta fires style, which is very powerful, enhanced by a massive ransenshuriken. That fire style that results>>>>>than enton.


Oh my word. You really don't know what you're talking about do you? Frog song/=/ frog genjutsu. Frog genjutsu is absolute, and cannot be beaten.

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It paralyzes the body and mind. Vision is related to nerves. They won't even be able to see each other let alone break each other out of genjutsu. They won't even be able to face one another.

 

[Unorthodox]

Sigh. This is Gamabunta fires style, which is very powerful, enhanced by a massive ransenshuriken. That fire style that results>>>>>than enton.


Oh my word. You really don't know what you're talking about do you? Frog song/=/ frog genjutsu. Frog genjutsu is absolute, and cannot be beaten.

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It paralyzes the body and mind. Vision is related to nerves. They won't even be able to see each other let alone break each other out of genjutsu. They won't even be able to face one another.

Bunta is one shotted the momment it comes up also no matter what fuels its susanoo armor is way above any form of katon fact

yes the vision they see though it because sharingan see's through genjutsu however the bodies are still immobile

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shikamaru who has no sharingan saw this sasuke and itachi seen kabuto clear as day the break each other out of the genjutsu as i said not to mention j-man is one shotted no one on that team can react to susanoo arrow/amaterasu speed

 

[KidGamer65]

- sigh - terrible day for you kidgamer your logic is based on the fact that kishi didnt want to pull madara & hashirama in the fight with obito talking about a stalemate mokujin doesnt have the offensive feats that ps has so as far as im concerned it cannot destroy v3 standing susanoo also God tree branches > Mokujin limbs sasuke cuts them and half in the scan you posted gonna need a better source than mangapanda as they made numerous errors also it cannot coreal around enton enton blade doesnt need a destructive force like ps sword to do damage it makes clean nice perfect cuts

Sorry pal, Mokujin already stalemated PS in combat, nothing else you say to try and counter that is relevant. Kishi not wanting to put them in the fight is a piss poor, shitty ass excuse nor does it change anything that already happened in the manga.

It equaled PS in strength, it'll smack Susanoo around until it breaks. It doesn't need to do so in one hit like the Bijuu did, as long as its strong enough to damage it (Which it is) it'll eventually break.

Wrong pal, PS sword slash didn't do anything noticeable to Mokujin, so an attack from a weaker Susanoo isn't' doing SHIT. Not to mention fodders were cutting the Shinju's branches, they aren't durable at all.

Doesn't matter, Enton Blade doesn't have the feat of cutting a Mountain like PS does (Which was a clean cut so I have no clue what the hell you are talking about here) so its weaker, unless you are trying to tell me Enton Blade from a v4 Susanoo>>Blade from a PS....which is BS.

Unless you can prove why that manga scan is wrong, I suggest you don't even go any further on that point.

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Hashirama: "That wood dragon will absorb chakra from you!
Now your chakra-absorbing ninjutsu are nullified and meaningless!"

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Kirin is 1/1000 of a second hashirama isnt making a handsigh in that time also mokuton dome is coming right out of mokujin face gone sasuke susanoo can cover large distances with its jumping ability

Kirin has to be formed and then shot, all he needs to do is make a dome before its fired and that's it.

Sasuke's Susanoo jumping high means just about shit here, when Hashirama summons Mokujin, it'll smash Sasuke's Susanoo into the ground before it can run away, not to mention if it runs away, it can't hope of hurting it.

untill you can prove how mokujin stops what happen to the god tree branch dont keep saying irrelevant also sasuke can easily stay out of mokujin range with its jumping abilities and susanoo arrow & magatamas attacks that would soon overwhelm it mokuton dragin is fodder enton turns into to dust done saying the same shit hashirama also isnt advoiding genjutsu while fighting a head up fight with 3 uchihas

-Already proven wrong.

-Arrow is weaker than PS's attack, which Mokujin already took, so its tanked with no damage, same for Magatama, they didn't even burn Zetsu up after a few seconds passed so they aren't doing shit to Mokujin either.

-Enton didn't do shit to Zetsu, Mokuryu continues fighting unless he can completely ignite it, either way, if its destroyed, another one can be made.

-Genjutsu is irrelevant when Hashirama is on top of a structure that just about dwarfs everything team 2 has bar Madara's Giant V4, which is still not as big as PS. Telling me there are 3 Uchiha doesn't mean Genjutsu will be a factor here.

Madara gets outlasted and the rest get obliterated.

 

[KidGamer65]

Gama Rinsho is restricted, so I have no idea why it was even brought up.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Gama Rinsho is restricted, so I have no idea why it was even brought up.

I didn't know Gama Rinsho= frog genjutsu. Sorry.

 

[KidGamer65]

I didn't know Gama Rinsho= frog genjutsu. Sorry.

Nah, its cool.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Don't know where this came from, but its false. PS swung its blade and Mokujin was still standing, meaning anything Team 2 has that isn't PS leveled in offense isn't doing anything to it.

Kyuubi is nowhere near PS in size, so putting them together like they are makes no sense....so it still completely dwarfs Sasuke's Susnaoo, which is only the size of Naruto's BM Avatar.

-These gates are Bijuu sized.

-Mokujin is FAR FAR larger than those gates.

-So its far far larger than Sasuke's V3 Susanoo.


PS should be near Shinsuusenju's main body in height, that's a smaller difference than the difference between Mokujin and V3.

Not to mention your only base for this argument is size, even though Susanoo doesn't just work in size, it works in layers. Making a V3 as big as a PS doesn't mean that the V3 will equal PS. That is what would be the case if you were correct.

V3 is so much weaker than PS that it isn't even funny.....9 Bijuu slapped their tails on V3 and it smashed open and they took Madara's arm. Shinsuusenju barrage punched PS and it began to slowly flake off.



9 Bijuu smashed right through it and took Madara's arm along with it, the minimum power needed to obliterate it would leave the user unharmed, and even lower than that would have the armor slowly disappearing (Shinsuusenju vs Perfect Susanoo)

If it can equal something that is strong enough to destroy Mountains when it swings its sword, eventually it'll get past a V3 Susanoo, which is incomparably weaker than PS (I'm not saying that it equals PS in destructive output), even if it can't, he'll outlast these 3 anyway.

Because Mokujin dodged. Swinging a blade =/= hitting the target. Mokujin isn't more durable than Shinshuu's arms which were sliced to pieces.
Mokuton = Mokuton. Haashi doesn't use some special, magic mokuton for mokujin only.

Naruto's BM avatar = size of every other bijuu = Bunta/otheer large summons = Sasuke's V3 = less than 1/2 madara's V4. At the time, PS was coating Kyuubi, ergo it was the size of it. It was still PS, with it's same PS durability. Yet, something 5x+ it's size needed 1k punches to be able to bring it down. Mokujin has no offensive feats, nor can it push out that many punches at a time. Mokuton can't get through a V3 'just because it's large'.
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, though not the size of hashi's shinshuu/biggest mokujin, completely and utterly dwarfs a human. Yet, Raikage, in base, could

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with her normal human body.
Big =/= powerful. Hashi's Mokuton have very low Damage output, and sub-par defences; They're simply overwhelming in volume/numbers and provide chakra suppression capabilities. That's it. Mokujin bringing down a V3 is almost laughable.

Exactly, Shinshuu 1000 arm barrage opened up PS. Bijuu's 9 tail smash, broke a V3. Mokujin's 1 arm hit's gonna Open up a V3 when a normal human can already tank a punch from a shinshuu on the scale of bijuu's? Lol. Not happening. That's even assuming mokujin can catch a V3 which is highly agile.

Hashi won't outlast these 3. Kirin is already 1 way to kill him. He's never heard of it, or seen it, and none of his partners know of it. All hashi's jutsu are executed out in the open, he even

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. By the time hashi even realizes what a kirin is, it's way too late considering it hits in 1/1000 of a second, and hashi needs to

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to even begin to do any jutsu. Assuming his hands are already together, Hobi(literally his only viable defence), has to circle around him to close[

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] - It's not closing in 1/1000th a second.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Because Mokujin dodged. Swinging a blade =/= hitting the target. Mokujin isn't more durable than Shinshuu's arms which were sliced to pieces.
Mokuton = Mokuton. Haashi doesn't use some special, magic mokuton for mokujin only.

Naruto's BM avatar = size of every other bijuu = Bunta/otheer large summons = Sasuke's V3 = less than 1/2 madara's V4. At the time, PS was coating Kyuubi, ergo it was the size of it. It was still PS, with it's same PS durability. Yet, something 5x+ it's size needed 1k punches to be able to bring it down. Mokujin has no offensive feats, nor can it push out that many punches at a time. Mokuton can't get through a V3 'just because it's large'.
For instance, spiral zetsu's

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, though not the size of hashi's shinshuu/biggest mokujin, completely and utterly dwarfs a human. Yet, Raikage, in base, could

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(pure brute force, no raiton enhancement), Karin could

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, and mei could

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with her normal human body.
Big =/= powerful. Hashi's Mokuton have very low Damage output, and sub-par defences; They're simply overwhelming in volume/numbers and provide chakra suppression capabilities. That's it. Mokujin bringing down a V3 is almost laughable.

Exactly, Shinshuu 1000 arm barrage opened up PS. Bijuu's 9 tail smash, broke a V3. Mokujin's 1 arm hit's gonna Open up a V3 when a normal human can already tank a punch from a shinshuu on the scale of bijuu's? Lol. Not happening. That's even assuming mokujin can catch a V3 which is highly agile.

Hashi won't outlast these 3. Kirin is already 1 way to kill him. He's never heard of it, or seen it, and none of his partners know of it. All hashi's jutsu are executed out in the open, he even

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. By the time hashi even realizes what a kirin is, it's way too late considering it hits in 1/1000 of a second, and hashi needs to

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to even begin to do any jutsu. Assuming his hands are already together, Hobi(literally his only viable defence), has to circle around him to close[

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] - It's not closing in 1/1000th a second.

Not going into the rest of it, but your first statement is false. In fact, it was made clear within the span of 2 chapters.

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The mere impact of a TBB hitting destroyed wood dragon, yet Hashirama used a wood style to defend against its explosion, which means that its durability is much stronger than the wood dragon's.

 

[Unorthodox]

Sorry pal, Mokujin already stalemated PS in combat, nothing else you say to try and counter that is relevant. Kishi not wanting to put them in the fight is a piss poor, shitty ass excuse nor does it change anything that already happened in the manga.

It equaled PS in strength, it'll smack Susanoo around until it breaks. It doesn't need to do so in one hit like the Bijuu did, as long as its strong enough to damage it (Which it is) it'll eventually break.

Wrong pal, PS sword slash didn't do anything noticeable to Mokujin, so an attack from a weaker Susanoo isn't' doing SHIT. Not to mention fodders were cutting the Shinju's branches, they aren't durable at all.

Doesn't matter, Enton Blade doesn't have the feat of cutting a Mountain like PS does (Which was a clean cut so I have no clue what the hell you are talking about here) so its weaker, unless you are trying to tell me Enton Blade from a v4 Susanoo>>Blade from a PS....which is BS.

Unless you can prove why that manga scan is wrong, I suggest you don't even go any further on that point.

VIZ says the same thing.

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Kirin has to be formed and then shot, all he needs to do is make a dome before its fired and that's it.

Sasuke's Susanoo jumping high means just about shit here, when Hashirama summons Mokujin, it'll smash Sasuke's Susanoo into the ground before it can run away, not to mention if it runs away, it can't hope of hurting it.




-Already proven wrong.

-Arrow is weaker than PS's attack, which Mokujin already took, so its tanked with no damage, same for Magatama, they didn't even burn Zetsu up after a few seconds passed so they aren't doing shit to Mokujin either.

-Enton didn't do shit to Zetsu, Mokuryu continues fighting unless he can completely ignite it, either way, if its destroyed, another one can be made.

-Genjutsu is irrelevant when Hashirama is on top of a structure that just about dwarfs everything team 2 has bar Madara's Giant V4, which is still not as big as PS. Telling me there are 3 Uchiha doesn't mean Genjutsu will be a factor here.

Madara gets outlasted and the rest get obliterated.

iv already counterd those points 1000x you keep reciting the same lines shit getting hold mokujin has shown nothing to idicate it can destroy sasuke susanoo talking about the bijuu sasuke susanoo is bigger than madara's standing susanoo also the 9 bijuu physical powers are much above a featless mokujin the only reason your arguing about it because you belive it stalemated perfect susanoo when mokujin shows the ability the destroy several mountains from mountain range tank a bijuu dama without much effort destroy meteors than it can be compared to perfect susanoo not because you think they were equal would mean comparable offensive & defensive speed everything feats like naruto & sasuke

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like this not one being compeletly destroyed in the other having no damage done at all give up your not fooling anyone to belive mokujin stalemates perfect susanoo when its it shown much above mokujin in every aspect also you seem to not get it mokujin was destroyed numerous times during that battle i show you some scans again

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where is mokujin i cannot see it anywhere also i see is a giant dust cloud infont of madara's susanoo

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clearly see mokujin chop in half as it falls down look how the debri in the picture raises shown its collapsing and the smoke and crust coming from perfect susanoo blade.

Mokujin by no way shape or form catching sasuke susanoo witch keep up with bm naruto also sasuke can use his susanoo much faster than he can use mokujin the momment mokujin reaches for sasuke its arm or is chopped off

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unless you can prove mokujin is superior to god tree also saying enton wont work because you think a susanoo sword couldnt cut it just log off enton is heat plus focused amaterasu if it can burn it cant cut enton blade bisect any limbs on mokujin cant belive you just said that nonsense Lmao anyways performing wood dome requires hand sigh susanoo arrow is above handsigh speed plus sasuke susanoo can leap several kilometors up in that scan i showed obito was about 100 feet in the air in they jumped above his level sasuke jumps back and fires a susanoo arrow witch hashirama cannot block he stands directly on mokujin

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hashirama goes down mokujin lacks any offensive feats to compete with sasuke susanoo witch is fast af also long ranged attacks are to fast aswell

 

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iv already counterd those points 1000x you keep reciting the same lines shit getting hold mokujin has shown nothing to idicate it can destroy sasuke susanoo talking about the bijuu sasuke susanoo is bigger than madara's standing susanoo also the 9 bijuu physical powers are much above a featless mokujin the only reason your arguing about it because you belive it stalemated perfect susanoo when mokujin shows the ability the destroy several mountains from mountain range tank a bijuu dama without much effort destroy meteors than it can be compared to perfect not because you think they were equal would mean comparable offensive & defensive speed everything feats like naruto & sasuke

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like this not one being compeletly destroyed in the other having no damage done at all give up your not fooling anyone to belive mokujin stalemates perfect susanoo when its it shown much above mokujin in every aspect also you seem to not get it mokujin was destroyed numerous times during that battle i show you some scans again.

Talk about a run on sentence. This is some Busta Rhymes shitt right there.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

iv already counterd those points 1000x you keep reciting the same lines shit getting hold mokujin has shown nothing to idicate it can destroy sasuke susanoo talking about the bijuu sasuke susanoo is bigger than madara's standing susanoo also the 9 bijuu physical powers are much above a featless mokujin the only reason your arguing about it because you belive it stalemated perfect susanoo when mokujin shows the ability the destroy several mountains from mountain range tank a bijuu dama without much effort destroy meteors than it can be compared to perfect susanoo not because you think they were equal would mean comparable offensive & defensive speed everything feats like naruto & sasuke

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like this not one being compeletly destroyed in the other having no damage done at all give up your not fooling anyone to belive mokujin stalemates perfect susanoo when its it shown much above mokujin in every aspect also you seem to not get it mokujin was destroyed numerous times during that battle i show you some scans again

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where is mokujin i cannot see it anywhere also i see is a giant dust cloud infont of madara's susanoo

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clearly see mokujin chop in half as it falls down look how the debri in the picture raises shown its collapsing and the smoke and crust coming from perfect susanoo blade.

Mokujin by no way shape or form catching sasuke susanoo witch keep up with bm naruto also sasuke can use his susanoo much faster than he can use mokujin the momment mokujin reaches for sasuke its arm or is chopped off

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unless you can prove mokujin is superior to god tree also saying enton wont work because you think a susanoo sword couldnt cut it just log off enton is heat plus focused amaterasu if it can burn it cant cut enton blade bisect any limbs on mokujin cant belive you just said that nonsense Lmao anyways performing wood dome requires hand sigh susanoo arrow is above handsigh speed plus sasuke susanoo can leap several kilometors up in that scan i showed obito was about 100 feet in the air in they jumped above his level sasuke jumps back and fires a susanoo arrow witch hashirama cannot block he stands directly on mokujin

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hashirama goes down mokujin lacks any offensive feats to compete with sasuke susanoo witch is fast af also long ranged attacks are to fast aswell

It's caught susanoo swords in cannon, it can do it again with a weaker susanoo. Whatever agility you post is irrelevant.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Not going into the rest of it, but your first statement is false. In fact, it was made clear within the span of 2 chapters.

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The mere impact of a TBB hitting destroyed wood dragon, yet Hashirama used a wood style to defend against its explosion, which means that its durability is much stronger than the wood dragon's.

well, regardless, Mokujin isn't Hobi. Hobi is specifically made to be a fortified defence. Mokujin isn't. Mokujin <<<< Shinsuuu which got ripped to shreds easily.

In any case, Whether or not it can destroy Mokujin is not that relevant. The main point is mokujin doesn't have destructive feats or suggested feats to even destroy a V3. If it can't even destroy a V3, hashi's entire arsenal is useless against the uchiha.

 

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It's caught susanoo swords in cannon, it can do it again with a weaker susanoo. Whatever agility you post is irrelevant.

it grabed ps arm and no it cant the size of sasuke susanoo works to his advantage agility means something his speed would be devastating for mokujin

 

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Because Mokujin dodged. Swinging a blade =/= hitting the target. Mokujin isn't more durable than Shinshuu's arms which were sliced to pieces.

That was never shown in that scan.

Naruto's BM avatar = size of every other bijuu = Bunta/otheer large summons = Sasuke's V3 = less than 1/2 madara's V4. At the time, PS was coating Kyuubi, ergo it was the size of it. It was still PS, with it's same PS durability. Yet, something 5x+ it's size needed 1k punches to be able to bring it down. Mokujin has no offensive feats, nor can it push out that many punches at a time. Mokuton can't get through a V3 'just because it's large'.

Does the bold refer to the upper body of V4? If so, the difference between V4 and legless V4 is more than half, and Legless v4 is equal to Full Kurama in size, who is much much larger than BM Naruto, thus much larger than Sasuke's V3.. The gap between PS and Shinsuusenju is much smaller than the gap between Mokujin and Sasuke's Bijuu Sized Susanoo.

Mokujin equaled PS in physical strength, and PS is strong enough to create a shockwave with its sword swings. Pretty sure that's enough to say it has enough physical strength to breach a V3. This argument would be the perfect counter, if I said that Mokujin would one shot the Susanoo, but it can't, and I never said it did. Multiple punches would break it as one hit is enough to do some damage. It doesn't need to push out as many punches as Shinsuusenju to destroy something much weaker than PS.

For instance, spiral zetsu's

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, though not the size of hashi's shinshuu/biggest mokujin, completely and utterly dwarfs a human. Yet, Raikage, in base, could

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(pure brute force, no raiton enhancement), Karin could

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, and mei could

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with her normal human body.

Big =/= powerful. Hashi's Mokuton have very low Damage output, and sub-par defences; They're simply overwhelming in volume/numbers and provide chakra suppression capabilities. That's it. Mokujin bringing down a V3 is almost laughable.

Lol, no. Something with low damage output couldn't breach PS. Shinsuusenju not being able to breach PS in one hit doesn't mean it has low damage output, that doesn't even make sense.....

Exactly, Shinshuu 1000 arm barrage opened up PS. Bijuu's 9 tail smash, broke a V3. Mokujin's 1 arm hit's gonna Open up a V3 when a normal human can already tank a punch from a shinshuu on the scale of bijuu's? Lol. Not happening. That's even assuming mokujin can catch a V3 which is highly agile.

Never said that Mokujin is going to open up V3 in one hit. You assumed that's what I meant.

Hashi won't outlast these 3. Kirin is already 1 way to kill him. He's never heard of it, or seen it, and none of his partners know of it. All hashi's jutsu are executed out in the open, he even

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. By the time hashi even realizes what a kirin is, it's way too late considering it hits in 1/1000 of a second, and hashi needs to

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to even begin to do any jutsu. Assuming his hands are already together, Hobi(literally his only viable defence), has to circle around him to close[

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] - It's not closing in 1/1000th a second.

"Know what a Kirin is" Lets be serious here. Anyone with a working brain and a set of eyes would know that Kirin is giant lighting bolt. Its not rocket science. The moment he sees it it'd be common sense to defend yourself.

Hobi closed around Hashirama completely even after a Bijuu Dama had already gone off right in front of his face, closing around it before Sasuke fires off Kirin isn't going to be that hard.