SM Naruto, SM Jiraiya and SM Hashirama vs. EMS Madara, EMS Sasuke and MS Itachi

[Penguin]

Lmfao

Madara's Juubi Sized Katon >>>>>>> Bunta and Jiraiya's Bijuu+ sized katon.

 

[Bronze]

You can't even discern whether Mokuryu absorbed the sword or not since it had just made impact and Mokuryu absorbing ninjutsu isn't an instant process. All Mokujin has to do is keep bashing the Susanoo until it breaks, it shouldn't be exactly too difficult while bearing in mind that it's as big as PS.

V4 Susanoo's attacks aren't gonna do anything to the Mokuton constructs, regardless of whether they're coated in Enton or not. Mokuton isn't made of flesh nor does it feel pain so it just ignores the Enton, and the Enton isn't capable of burning the Mokuton to the ground since it isn't shown to be hot and FTW wasn't affected by Madara's Katon: Gouka Messhitsu [

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], so I highly doubt Enton's gonna do anything to the Mokuton constructs.

They aren't going to be able to get close enough to Hashirama and Itachi's going to be pretty busy dealing with SM Jiraiya and SM Naruto. Plus, even if you made it Hashirama vs. Team 2, they still lack the firepower to take down the Mokuton and get close enough to Hashirama. Naruto and Jiraiya can sit on top of Hashirama's Mokuton and provide support from there with long range attacks.

You're the one who made the claim that it can absorb Susanoo once it catches it. The scan I posted shows Mokuryou is incapable of performing that. Mokujin has no destructive feats what so ever. V4 Susanoo's sword tanked full Kurama's TBB without damage. Mokujin has no feats of attacks, so until it shows any, your claim stands as fanfiction.

Did I say they would? No. Mokuton was already shown to be cracked by small Katon [

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Instead of claiming, prove why they won't be able to. Jiraiya gets shot by Amatersu, and Naruto gets shotted by Tsukuyomi. They are non-factors. All team 2 needs to is get close to Hashirama, where Itachi puts him under Tsukuyomi.

 

[Touken]

You're the one who made the claim that it can absorb Susanoo once it catches it. The scan I posted shows Mokuryou is incapable of performing that. Mokujin has no destructive feats what so ever. V4 Susanoo's sword tanked full Kurama's TBB without damage. Mokujin has no feats of attacks, so until it shows any, your claim stands as fanfiction.

First of all, Hashirama didn't get the chance to wrap Mokuryu around the Susanoo because Madara immediately manifested his Perfect Susanoo, stopping him from using Mokuryu to absorb the Susanoo. V4 Susanoo isn't going to pose the same problem so Mokuryu effortlessly absorbs all of Madara's Susanoo. In that scan, all it shows is Hashirama using Mokuryu to stop Madara's attack, he didn't use it with the intent of absorbing his Susanoo, if he did then he would have used Mokuryu to advance and wrap around Madara. By doing that, he'd completely stop Madara from attacking and absorb his Susanoo at the same time.

Absorbing techniques via Mokuryu isn't done from using it to bite, it has to wrap around the technique and then bite. Hashirama didn't do that and it doesn't make sense for Susanoo to be the exception to Mokuryu's absorbing ability.

Did I say they would? No. Mokuton was already shown to be cracked by small Katon [

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]. Enton is the highest form of fire. Being equipped by Madara's Susanoo will burn it completely. That Katon scan isn't a destructive attack.

Yeah, I'm not seeing any cracks... Enton is the highest form of fire in the sense that it can't be quelled.

Instead of claiming, prove why they won't be able to. Jiraiya gets shot by Amatersu, and Naruto gets shotted by Tsukuyomi. They are non-factors. All team 2 needs to is get close to Hashirama, where Itachi puts him under Tsukuyomi.

Jiraiya and Naruto aren't getting killed if they decided to ride on top of Hashirama's Mokuton. Amaterasu isn't going to work with Hashirama's Mokuton constantly blocking Itachi/Sasuke's LoS, Naruto alone would be able to stop Amaterasu from hitting him anyway by noticing blood leaking out of Itachi/Sasuke's eyes, indicating to him that Amaterasu is about to be used. In that time he can literally hide himself with multiple Shadow Clones. Jiraiya can just spit out Katon before either of the Uchiha bros get their Amaterasu out. Tsukuyomi isn't hitting either of them from that range.

 

[AGoodBoy]

-Jiraiya's katon outclasses Madara's katon.

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-It doesn't matter whether the sharingan can see chakra or not. Itachi/Sasuke cannot use Amaterasu against them while in the dust cloud because Amaterasu requires the target to be in the actual line of sight - seeing their chakra network is not the same as actually seeing them.
-That many Odama Rasengans, which wrecked a 100% Kurama, could definitely destroy even a V4 Susano'o. Yata Mirror only provides 180 degrees of protection, so even if it guards against some of rasengans, it could not protect from behind. Coupled with a few Rasenshurikens, the Susano'os get destroyed. And Hashirama's wood techniques are definitely enough to restrain Susanoo. With Madara and Sasuke, several wooden hands (which are the size of bijuu) could grab their ankles and hold them in place. Not to mention Hashi's Gates, or wood dragons, which supress chakra. Whereas with Itachi, he doesn't even have a legged Susano'o so roots coming up from the ground can bypass Susanoo and kill Itachi.
-How exactly is Dark Swamp avoided? And how does Itachi know when Jiraiya is about to use it? Especially with Hashi restraining everyone with wood, I don't see how it gets dodged. Add food cart destroyer and they're done for.



-As for the smoke, Ma and Pa can just keep spitting it out. They are Sages, so chakra isn't an issue for them.
-The way Dark Swamp works is the heavier the target, the deeper it sinks. So if any of Team 2 keep their Susano'o up, they sink deep into the mud, and then Gamabunta crashes down on top of it and sinks it even further. If they dispell Susano'o, then they get crushed by a giant toad. My point about Dark Swamp is not that it will destroy the Susano'o, but that it will sink it and immobilize it.
-About katons: look at the picture I posted. It remains the largest katon we have seen so far in the manga. Using black flames to put out the fire is also illogical since Amaterasu/Enton burns slowly and will not hinder the progress of the flames. Besides, my point about fire is that Jiraiya can use it to counter Madara's fire, not as an offensive tactic (since obviously it does nothing to a Susanoo). Also, Gamabunta has Suiton so he can put out the flames that way.
-I don't see why a massive rasengan barrage of that scale (or even bigger, since both Jiraiya and Naruto can do it at the same time) can't obliterate a Susanoo. You have to keep in mind Hashi is pounding them with wood the whole time. Sooner or later, Susanoo is getting broken. And when was it that a ribcage tanked that? I'm not doubting you, I honestly can't remember when it happened.
-As for Rasenshuriken, it is indeed the strongest Fuuton jutsu in the manga. You already brought up the point I was about to say (Danzo's much weaker fuuton pierced through V3), so a rasenshuriken coupled with a SM enhanced massive rasengan barrage could break through V4 no sweat.
-If any summonings get lit on Amaterasu, Jiraiya can make a shadow clone use Fire Sealing Scroll to seal Amaterasu.
-Hashirama already defeated Madara canonically, who had a full Kyubi and PS. Kyubi and PS are now restricted so Hashi can take Madara without any major problems.
-Keep in mind that the whole time Jiraiya and Naruto are pounding them with massive SM enhanced rasengan barrages, rasenshurikens, sinking Susanoos in swamps, and crashing frogs down on them, Hashirama is pounding everyone with his wood, crashing down gates on them, and restraining them with wooden dragons. Even V4 Susanoo's can't compete with that.

Constantly spitting smoke doesn't really help... In any case, Sasuke holds all 3 uchiha in his V3 and Coats in with enton. None of them can touch it, any katon is dissolved by it, swamp is hardened by it, mokuton burnt by it and rasenshuriken eaten by it. Have a puff of smoke won't work forever, the uchiha will find a way around such a simple tactic. In fact, Sasuke can summon his hawk and all 3 uchiha take flight. Madara then proceeds to coat the hawk in Susano'o. There's now an armored hawk flying high above with 3 uchiha who can rain down magatamas. Talk about snipe fest.

And my point is that, Once susano'o is up, they're safe. The uchiha can still fight while susano'o is immobilized(seeing as they usually fight with it stationary anyway) so swamp doesn't stop the death a susano'o can rain upon team 1 while Team 2 figures out a way to beat swamp. The second someone like itachi figures out swamps weakness, it's never working again in the battle.

bruh, bunta's the size of the juubi's eyeball at best. Madara's katon dwarfed the juubi. Bunta making a katon 10x bigger than him is complete rubbish next to what madara made. If you still doubt that, I can overlay exactly how that flame would look by madara's katon, just to give you a visual depiction. Oh, and, let's not forget amaterasu eats fire[

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]. So, yes, ama/enton will completely hinder the flames progression.

Because it couldn't scratch a ribcage. Tsunade could kick her way through a ribcage susano'o. Being unable to scratch a ribcage means that V4(hell of a lot more armored) is gonna laugh at those colourful lights as if it were new years eve.

Danzo used 5 vaccuum sphere waves combined, boosted by his mammoth that provided so much suction that sasuke had to anchor his susano'o so his susano'o wouldn't go

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, just to slice a hole in the back of susano'o[

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].Rasenshuriken being more powerful than this is mad speculation when edo madara supposedly tanked a senpou: oodama FRS. Rasenshuriken's deadliest property is it's ability to destroy all your chakra points and rip you to shreds. It has the thinnest wind blades. Let's not underestimate danzo here; He was rocking hashi cells after all.

lol? Jiraiya has 1 scroll... That animal will be bawling in pain for a while. Sasuke can toss an enton arrow at it while it's there rolling in pain and kill it.

Not necessarily... Edo madara parred SM hashirama with just a PS. The added boost EMS mads got from Kyuubi was contended with by Shinshuu; which is now restricted. Madara's unstabled, V4, Susano'o is already bigger than kyuubi. So it's a massive threat to hashi still.

And what are the uchiha doing through all this? Sasuke spams enton magatamas. Sasuke coats his susano'o in enton. Naruto and jiraiya can't come close. Jiraiya and naruto have to keep their distance else itachi seals them with a very very fast totsuka sword (so fast oro was blitzed mid sentence); and they can't come close to itachi's susano'o else yata repels them. Madara's V4 is bigger than a bijuu; They're no where on the scale of it. It's a massive danger.

Final point to note; The uchiha can hypnotise their summonings and turn them against them, while sasuke's snake summons are canonically superior to toads. Ontop of this, as stated earlier, sasuke can summon is bird, get madz to armor it up and now this bird is a flying tank with snipers on board. So, in summary;
- Sasuke, madara and itachi are ontop a flying susano'o-hawk. Sasuke and madara are raining down hell with magatamas
- Sasuke's snake summons are raping the hell out of team 1.
- Itachi's hypnotising team 1's summonings, including ma and pa, making it a struggle to work together properly as team 1 constantly wastes time trying to free them.
- There's so much enton on stage that kirin is ready to go. Team 1 has no defence to kirin. Naruto and Jiraiya get killed; It's highly unlikely hashi's mokuton defences can activate in < 1/1000th a second. None of team 1 knows of, or has ever seen sasuke use kirin so it's a 'surprise mother fkers'. And, finally, Hashi's jutsu are always executed out in the open ontop his mokuton. He's always high in the sky just waiting for that lightning bolt.


*sorry for lack of scans. I'm on mobile net right now, makes it more painfully slow to get*

 

[Bronze]

First of all, Hashirama didn't get the chance to wrap Mokuryu around the Susanoo because Madara immediately manifested his Perfect Susanoo, stopping him from using Mokuryu to absorb the Susanoo. V4 Susanoo isn't going to pose the same problem so Mokuryu effortlessly absorbs all of Madara's Susanoo. In that scan, all it shows is Hashirama using Mokuryu to stop Madara's attack, he didn't use it with the intent of absorbing his Susanoo, if he did then he would have used Mokuryu to advance and wrap around Madara. By doing that, he'd completely stop Madara from attacking and absorb his Susanoo at the same time.

Absorbing techniques via Mokuryu isn't done from using it to bite, it has to wrap around the technique and then bite. Hashirama didn't do that and it doesn't make sense for Susanoo to be the exception to Mokuryu's absorbing ability.

Yeah, I'm not seeing any cracks...

Jiraiya and Naruto aren't getting killed if they decided to ride on top of Hashirama's Mokuton. Amaterasu isn't going to work with Hashirama's Mokuton constantly blocking Itachi/Sasuke's LoS, Naruto alone would be able to stop Amaterasu from hitting him anyway by noticing blood leaking out of Itachi/Sasuke's eyes, indicating to him that Amaterasu is about to be used. In that time he can literally hide himself with multiple Shadow Clones. Jiraiya can just spit out Katon before either of the Uchiha bros get their Amaterasu out. Tsukuyomi isn't hitting either of them from that range.

First of all, you need to show me scans of Mokuryou absorbing Ninjutsu. Second of all, what you claimed is nothing but from your mind. Hashirama and Madara were battling about 5 chapters before the scan was shown. So why after all that time, why didn't Hashirama absorb it quickly, considering Madara was stalling him via Susanoo? Because he cant wrap it. Not when Susanoo is slashing around.

But I am.

Hashirama isn't blocking something when he cant even react to, especially when he is being stopped by Madara. Naruto will be busy fighting Sasuke, therefore, he wont have time talking. He isn't creating more than 3 Bunshin, considering he has limits. Jiraiya isn't using Katon when he is under Tsukuyomi. Too bad Jiraiya and Naruto are close range, so as Tsukuyomi.

 

[Rike Senju]

Team 1 wins. Hashi still has wood dragon, FTW and Mokujin. Team 2 lacks fire power to destroy those enormous wood constructs. Enton nor Amaterasu will be able to burn the wood instantly. It failed to burn out Karin's coat immediately when sasuke used it, I don't it burning wood style instantly. Jiraiya also has frog song, which Hashi can buy more than enough time to set it up. Not to mention current naruto's sm which gives him Chou RS.

 

[LustyLover]

-Jiraiya's katon outclasses Madara's katon.

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-It doesn't matter whether the sharingan can see chakra or not. Itachi/Sasuke cannot use Amaterasu against them while in the dust cloud because Amaterasu requires the target to be in the actual line of sight - seeing their chakra network is not the same as actually seeing them.
-That many Odama Rasengans, which wrecked a 100% Kurama, could definitely destroy even a V4 Susano'o. Yata Mirror only provides 180 degrees of protection, so even if it guards against some of rasengans, it could not protect from behind. Coupled with a few Rasenshurikens, the Susano'os get destroyed. And Hashirama's wood techniques are definitely enough to restrain Susanoo. With Madara and Sasuke, several wooden hands (which are the size of bijuu) could grab their ankles and hold them in place. Not to mention Hashi's Gates, or wood dragons, which supress chakra. Whereas with Itachi, he doesn't even have a legged Susano'o so roots coming up from the ground can bypass Susanoo and kill Itachi.
-How exactly is Dark Swamp avoided? And how does Itachi know when Jiraiya is about to use it? Especially with Hashi restraining everyone with wood, I don't see how it gets dodged. Add food cart destroyer and they're done for.



-As for the smoke, Ma and Pa can just keep spitting it out. They are Sages, so chakra isn't an issue for them.
-The way Dark Swamp works is the heavier the target, the deeper it sinks. So if any of Team 2 keep their Susano'o up, they sink deep into the mud, and then Gamabunta crashes down on top of it and sinks it even further. If they dispell Susano'o, then they get crushed by a giant toad. My point about Dark Swamp is not that it will destroy the Susano'o, but that it will sink it and immobilize it.
-About katons: look at the picture I posted. It remains the largest katon we have seen so far in the manga. Using black flames to put out the fire is also illogical since Amaterasu/Enton burns slowly and will not hinder the progress of the flames. Besides, my point about fire is that Jiraiya can use it to counter Madara's fire, not as an offensive tactic (since obviously it does nothing to a Susanoo). Also, Gamabunta has Suiton so he can put out the flames that way.
-I don't see why a massive rasengan barrage of that scale (or even bigger, since both Jiraiya and Naruto can do it at the same time) can't obliterate a Susanoo. You have to keep in mind Hashi is pounding them with wood the whole time. Sooner or later, Susanoo is getting broken. And when was it that a ribcage tanked that? I'm not doubting you, I honestly can't remember when it happened.
-As for Rasenshuriken, it is indeed the strongest Fuuton jutsu in the manga. You already brought up the point I was about to say (Danzo's much weaker fuuton pierced through V3), so a rasenshuriken coupled with a SM enhanced massive rasengan barrage could break through V4 no sweat.
-If any summonings get lit on Amaterasu, Jiraiya can make a shadow clone use Fire Sealing Scroll to seal Amaterasu.
-Hashirama already defeated Madara canonically, who had a full Kyubi and PS. Kyubi and PS are now restricted so Hashi can take Madara without any major problems.
-Keep in mind that the whole time Jiraiya and Naruto are pounding them with massive SM enhanced rasengan barrages, rasenshurikens, sinking Susanoos in swamps, and crashing frogs down on them, Hashirama is pounding everyone with his wood, crashing down gates on them, and restraining them with wooden dragons. Even V4 Susanoo's can't compete with that.

-As long as they can see their opponents chakra network they are seeing their location and therefore can activate Amaterasu as an offense. And btw, just because Ma and Pa are sages doesn't mean they can't run out of chakra. Once Naruto uses Rasenshuriken twice his SM runs out immediately. He's a Sage, and he can still easily run out of chakra, so so can Ma and Pa.
-Odama rasengans "wrecked" Kurama because Kurama, believe it or not, is made out of flesh. The Susano'o is made out of chakra and is the best defense we have seen thus far. Rasengans aren't cracking it.
- With the Uchihas' precognition skills they can most definitely dodge it by jumping away. If not, they simply leave their Susano'o, form a ribcage, and re-summon it all over again.
-Not even gonna say anything about you thinking Jiraiya's Katon is superior to Madara's.. that just gave me a huge lol moment.
- A swing of Madara's sword alone leveled a battlefield and obliterated mountains. With him actually trying + Sasuke and Itachi swinging their swords simultaeneously, Hashirama's wood gates, dragons, etc. will most certainly be destroyed.
-Itachi and Madara both control any and all summonings launched at them with their ocular prowess, making it a waste of chakra for Team 1 and only giving Team 2 the advantage in numbers.
-Keep in mind that the whole time Jiraiya and Naruto are pounding them with massive SM enhanced rasengan barrages, rasenshurikens, sinking Susanoos in swamps, and crashing frogs down on them, Hashirama is pounding everyone with his wood, crashing down gates on them, and restraining them with wooden dragons. Even V4 Susanoo's can't compete with that. My apologies, but Naruto and Jiraiya won't live long enough to do that. They will be subdued quickly. A frog tries to land on Itachi, he shits on it with Totsuka, and Sasuke and Madara do the same with their swords. Or, again, they could easily just put it under their genjutsu. Jiraiya and Naruto will run out of chakra to use their Rasengans, assuming they even live long enough to use them. Madara's sword alone can slice through most of the wood thrown at him, and with the aid of Itachi and Sasuke's sword, his wood jutsu will seem almost trivial. Odamas certainly won't pierce a v4, and Naruto is the only one able to use a rasenshuriken (which btw won't even work on Itachi's Yata). He can only use two before he runs out of Sage Mode completely. He'll end up spamming them only to find out they can't pierce Susano'o or they miss. Again, the Uchiha will get away from the swamps due to Sharingan prediction and precognition abilities.

 

[Touken]

First of all, you need to show me scans of Mokuryou absorbing Ninjutsu. Second of all, what you claimed is nothing but from your mind. Hashirama and Madara were battling about 5 chapters before the scan was shown. So why after all that time, why didn't Hashirama absorb it quickly, considering Madara was stalling him via Susanoo? Because he cant wrap it. Not when Susanoo is slashing around.

I meant chakra, sorry, not ninjutsu [

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]. Anything below PS isn't doing jack all to Mokuryu, and I'm assuming they just started battling in chapter 641, not in 639. It seems as though Hashirama was trying to convince Madara to get out of the way. He was still trying to convince him even when they started fighting [

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]. V4 Susanoo gets absorbed by Mokuryu and nothing can stop it.

But I am.

Care to show me where?

Hashirama isn't blocking something when he cant even react to, especially when he is being stopped by Madara. Naruto will be busy fighting Sasuke, therefore, he wont have time talking. He isn't creating more than 3 Bunshin, considering he has limits. Jiraiya isn't using Katon when he is under Tsukuyomi. Too bad Jiraiya and Naruto are close range, so as Tsukuyomi.

Madara isn't doing anything to stop Hashirama... I said Hashirama would block their line of sight, I didn't say he'd block Amaterasu. I already said Naruto and Jiraiya would be fighting along with Hashirama, they wouldn't be having their own separate battles. Team 2's attacks aren't touching Naruto and Jiraiya once they decide to fight while on top of Hashirama's Mokuton.

 

[LustyLover]

Team 1 wins. Hashi still has wood dragon, FTW and Mokujin. Team 2 lacks fire power to destroy those enormous wood constructs. Enton nor Amaterasu will be able to burn the wood instantly. It failed to burn out Karin's coat immediately when sasuke used it, I don't it burning wood style instantly. Jiraiya also has frog song, which Hashi can buy more than enough time to set it up. Not to mention current naruto's sm which gives him Chou RS.

Gama Rinsho is restricted.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Madara isn't doing anything to stop Hashirama... I said Hashirama would block their line of sight, I didn't say he'd block Amaterasu. I already said Naruto and Jiraiya would be fighting along with Hashirama, they wouldn't be having their own separate battles. Team 2's attacks aren't touching Naruto and Jiraiya once they decide to fight while on top of Hashirama's Mokuton.

Sasuke and itachi light up the field with Ama.
Madara launches great fire annihilation into the sky.
Sasuke busts kirin.

Only person in this entire lineup who even knows of kirin is Itachi. Out in the open, how's hashi protecting all 3 of them together in less than 1/1000th a second? U_U

 

[KidGamer65]

Restricting PS from the EMS users what loses them this fight.

-Jiraiya may be a non factor, but Naurto isn't as he has his Sage Chou Oodama Rasenshuriken, which can and will deal heavy damage, at the very least, to either of their Susanoo if it hits.

-Hashirama has his Mokujin, which stalemated Perfect Susanoo. Its strong enough to restrain PS, which is strong enough to destroy a Mountain just by swinging its sword. It'd manhandle Itachi and Sasuke's V4 Susanoo along with Madara's. Three V3's aren't taking out something on par with Perfect Susanoo.

-As Touken mentioned, Mokuryu has been shown to absorb normal chakra and Bijuu chakra, so Susanoo should, logically, be able to be absorbed.

-Finally, Hashirama has the stamina advantage, so if this becomes a battle of attrition, he still wins.

 

[KingHashirama]

Senju mid-diff..


Gap between Madara and Hashirama is too much if Madara doesn't have his PS..

 

[Beans2]

Constantly spitting smoke doesn't really help... In any case, Sasuke holds all 3 uchiha in his V3 and Coats in with enton. None of them can touch it, any katon is dissolved by it, swamp is hardened by it, mokuton burnt by it and rasenshuriken eaten by it. Have a puff of smoke won't work forever, the uchiha will find a way around such a simple tactic. In fact, Sasuke can summon his hawk and all 3 uchiha take flight. Madara then proceeds to coat the hawk in Susano'o. There's now an armored hawk flying high above with 3 uchiha who can rain down magatamas. Talk about snipe fest.

And my point is that, Once susano'o is up, they're safe. The uchiha can still fight while susano'o is immobilized(seeing as they usually fight with it stationary anyway) so swamp doesn't stop the death a susano'o can rain upon team 1 while Team 2 figures out a way to beat swamp. The second someone like itachi figures out swamps weakness, it's never working again in the battle.

bruh, bunta's the size of the juubi's eyeball at best. Madara's katon dwarfed the juubi. Bunta making a katon 10x bigger than him is complete rubbish next to what madara made. If you still doubt that, I can overlay exactly how that flame would look by madara's katon, just to give you a visual depiction. Oh, and, let's not forget amaterasu eats fire[

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Because it couldn't scratch a ribcage. Tsunade could kick her way through a ribcage susano'o. Being unable to scratch a ribcage means that V4(hell of a lot more armored) is gonna laugh at those colourful lights as if it were new years eve.

Danzo used 5 vaccuum sphere waves combined, boosted by his mammoth that provided so much suction that sasuke had to anchor his susano'o so his susano'o wouldn't go

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, just to slice a hole in the back of susano'o[

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].Rasenshuriken being more powerful than this is mad speculation when edo madara supposedly tanked a senpou: oodama FRS. Rasenshuriken's deadliest property is it's ability to destroy all your chakra points and rip you to shreds. It has the thinnest wind blades. Let's not underestimate danzo here; He was rocking hashi cells after all.

lol? Jiraiya has 1 scroll... That animal will be bawling in pain for a while. Sasuke can toss an enton arrow at it while it's there rolling in pain and kill it.

Not necessarily... Edo madara parred SM hashirama with just a PS. The added boost EMS mads got from Kyuubi was contended with by Shinshuu; which is now restricted. Madara's unstabled, V4, Susano'o is already bigger than kyuubi. So it's a massive threat to hashi still.

And what are the uchiha doing through all this? Sasuke spams enton magatamas. Sasuke coats his susano'o in enton. Naruto and jiraiya can't come close. Jiraiya and naruto have to keep their distance else itachi seals them with a very very fast totsuka sword (so fast oro was blitzed mid sentence); and they can't come close to itachi's susano'o else yata repels them. Madara's V4 is bigger than a bijuu; They're no where on the scale of it. It's a massive danger.

Final point to note; The uchiha can hypnotise their summonings and turn them against them, while sasuke's snake summons are canonically superior to toads. Ontop of this, as stated earlier, sasuke can summon is bird, get madz to armor it up and now this bird is a flying tank with snipers on board. So, in summary;
- Sasuke, madara and itachi are ontop a flying susano'o-hawk. Sasuke and madara are raining down hell with magatamas
- Sasuke's snake summons are raping the hell out of team 1.
- Itachi's hypnotising team 1's summonings, including ma and pa, making it a struggle to work together properly as team 1 constantly wastes time trying to free them.
- There's so much enton on stage that kirin is ready to go. Team 1 has no defence to kirin. Naruto and Jiraiya get killed; It's highly unlikely hashi's mokuton defences can activate in < 1/1000th a second. None of team 1 knows of, or has ever seen sasuke use kirin so it's a 'surprise mother fkers'. And, finally, Hashi's jutsu are always executed out in the open ontop his mokuton. He's always high in the sky just waiting for that lightning bolt.


*sorry for lack of scans. I'm on mobile net right now, makes it more painfully slow to get*

-About the hawk thing...good idea, but a hawk simply can't support something as heavy as a Susano'o on top of it. And yes, Susano'o does have weight - if it didn't, Danzo's summon would have sucked it up.
-About Sasuke protecting everyone in his enton Susano'o: it won't work. It's true that Enton could eventually harden the swamp, but it's not instant. Amaterasu takes a very long time to burn, notice how in seven pages it still hadn't burned through Raikage:

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By making a giant swamp and then crashing a toad boss on top of Susano'o in quick succession, Jiraiya can succesfully sink a V4 susanoo down there. Maybe a katon on Madara's level would harden it quickly enough, (that is if he understands the details of Dark Swamp, figures out its weakness, and spits out a giant katon, all in an instant before the toad hits). And coating his Susano'o in Enton is not going to defend against Hashi's wood either, since Ama burns just too slowly. Mokuryu still can wrap around it and supress its chakra, or it gets slammed down by gates, or mokujin merks it. The wood will get burned down eventually, but it would take hours. Hell, if burning down wood was so easy Madara would have finished Hashi with katons only.
-Susanoo's can't really fight once they're completely restrained. Hands grab Susanoo by its ankles, then some more hands restrain its arms. A wood dragon supresses its chakra and then it gets slammed down by gates.
-About fire...okay, Madara's > Jiraiya's, I'll admit that. Still, Hashi can make wood walls or barriers to defend against Madara's fire, such as Hōbi.
-About Rasenshurikens: Danzo didn't use 5 vacuum spheres at once. He had the Baku sucking in everything, immobilizing Sasuke. Then he added another wind technique on top of that, cutting through Susano'o. FRS is stronger than Vacuum wave because it takes change in chakra form to the highest degree, and there is a wind nature mixed in with all of that. Danzo's fuuton are powerful and diverse but Naruto's FRS is just on a whole other level when it comes to raw power. So yes, a couple Rasenshurikens along with a massive rasengan barrage along with Hashirama's wood techniques pounding Susanoo is definitely enough to shatter a Susanoo.
-About frogs: ...okay yeah. A couple of toads will probably need to be sacrificed. However, they're safe if they stay inside the dust cloud and Jiraiya sealing the flames is not out of question either - when a shadow clone is made, their clothing/tools/weapons are cloned too so Jiraiya has more than one scroll.
-Other stuff As stated previously, any toad summons that stay inside the dust cloud cannot be genjutsu'd or amaterasu'd. If any of them turn against their summoners, Hashi easily puts them down. Hashirama merks any snakes with wooden spikes. How do snakes even see anything through the dust cloud? Magatamas are easily blocked with Hōbi or other wooden structures...Kirin. I forgot about kirin. I suppose Hashi could block it with Buddha or mokujin, since the thing flung around a bijuudama like it was nothing. And they would notice beforehand that a lightning attack from the sky would happen, either by sensing it with SM or seeing a giant lightning panther come down from the clouds before it strikes. Besides, how would Sasuke know where to make Kirin strike? Team 1 is still hidden in a dust cloud.

Sorry about no scans, I'm not on my phone but I'm just too lazy to dig them up.

This is how I see the battle going:
-Shima spits out her dust cloud and Hashi provides Mokuton defense
-Naruto shoots out several Rasenshuriken from the dust cloud: Uchihas set up their respective Susano'os to defend against it.
-Itachi is pretty much a non-factor since his Susano'o is legless, therefore Hashirama can make wooden spikes come out of the ground, bypassing Susano'o, and nailing Itachi. If this isn't enough, Jiraiya can slam another toad down on Sasuke.
-Jiraiya sinks Sasuke in a dark swamp after slamming Bunta on top of him. Naruto finishes his Susano'o with a rasenshuriken to the face, followed up by a Giant Rasengan Barrage like he did with Kurama.
-While this is going on, Hashirama binds Madara's Susano'o with mokuton and creates mokujin to deal handle Madara. While Madara is fighting Mokujin, Hashi can slam him down with gates and slip in a wood dragon to supress his chakra. Now Madara is immobilized and his chakra is supressed. Now Naruto can give him a good old rasengan to the face.

 

[Beans2]

Ok, I'm probably just overusing Jiraiya and Naruto because they are among my favorites and I'm fanboying. The only purpose they really serve is to have Ma spit out the dust cloud, and from there on Hashi can solo.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Leaning towards Team 2.

I don't see Jiraya being much help here, especially since toad genjutsu is restricted -__-. In fact Naruto is the weakest link since his sage mode will run out before this battle even gets heated. Both master and student will be taken out first in my option.

So it's essentially Hashirama vs 3 Susanoo users... Yeah, I don't think so Hashirama.

I'm not saying jiraya and Naruto are non factors because they're not, but they can't do anything against Susanoo. Naruto probably can with his sage art massive rasengan mega barrage and a couple sage art rasenshuriken could probably get past Susanoo but he'll just end up running out of sage mode after that.

 

[Rike Senju]

Leaning towards Team 2.

I don't see Jiraya being much help here, especially since toad genjutsu is restricted -__-. In fact Naruto is the weakest link since his sage mode will run out before this battle even gets heated. Both master and student will be taken out first in my option.

So it's essentially Hashirama vs 3 Susanoo users... Yeah, I don't think so Hashirama.

I'm not saying jiraya and Naruto are non factors because they're not, but they can't do anything against Susanoo. Naruto probably can with his sage art massive rasengan mega barrage and a couple sage art rasenshuriken could probably get past Susanoo but he'll just end up running out of sage mode after that.

Naruto can go back to SM in seconds. It's no problem to him. He can also attack with Chour RS, which should be more than capable of inflicting heavy damage to the susanno users.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Naruto can go back to SM in seconds. It's no problem to him. He can also attack with Chour RS, which should be more than capable of inflicting heavy damage to the susanno users.

It takes him a few seconds (at least 6 seconds minimum), usually with his eyes closed while meditating and are you forgetting he can't move???

Are you trying to tell me he can enter sage mode with 3 Susanoo users there? He can close his eyes, sit down and meditate in such a battle. He can't really afford to do that in such a battle, especially not more than once since team 2 will clock on to what he's doing and Amaterasu snipe him while he's being still.

 

[Rike Senju]

It takes him a few seconds (at least 6 seconds minimum), usually with his eyes closed while meditating and are you forgetting he can't move???

Are you trying to tell me he can enter sage mode with 3 Susanoo users there? He can close his eyes, sit down and meditate in such a battle. He can't really afford to do that in such a battle, especially not more than once since team 2 will clock on to what he's doing and Amaterasu snipe him while he's being still.

War arc naruto doesn't need to sit down and concentrate. If you read the manga it has shown naruto can now enter SM casually without having to sit down or anything. Not to mention Hashi alone can keep all three uchihas occupied with FTW, wood dragon or Mokujin. Buying more than enough time for naruto to prep Chou RS.

 

[Gold Lightning]

War arc naruto doesn't need to sit down and concentrate. If you read the manga it has shown naruto can now enter SM casually without having to sit down or anything. Not to mention Hashi alone can keep all three uchihas occupied with FTW, wood dragon or Mokujin. Buying more than enough time for naruto to prep Chou RS.

lol, no he's not keeping all 3 occupied at once, don't exaggerate.

Naruto doesn't need to sit down but he still needs to not move. If itachi and Sasuke even look at him, he gets burned. Not saying he won't be able to enter sage mode because he can, he can even use clones to do it but he's being the weak link for his team every time he has to do that. This will be a long battle and the 3 uchiha's aren't dumb, how many times can Naruto run out of sage mode and re enter without them stopping him?

 

[ARGUS]

Team Hashirama still wins this,,,

-Hashiramas Wood Dragons were fighting on par with Madaras PS and managed to restrain Madara,,,,,with PS restricted for the EMS users,,, Wood Dragons will obliterate their V4,, seeing that the difference between V4 and PS is enormous,,,

-Hashiramas Mokuryu will absorb the susanoos that the uchihas would form as well,,,, not only that but Hashirama also has SM here which would enhance his techniques and give him a boost in reflexes that would give him a huge advantage against the uchihas if he fights them in CQC,,,,

-Naruto is not a non factor here seeing that he can still use COFRS,, which will destroy most of the susanoos bar possibly V4,,, Naruto in SM would allso have the sensory skills to block the LOS and counter amatearasu from the brothers,,,,

-Naruto handles Itachi here by destroying his susanoo by COFRS and overwhelming him afterwards through Frog Katas (FK),,while Hashirama fights Sasuke and Madara here,,,Hashirama and Naruto can give Jiraiya enough time to prep FS,,thereby allowing team SM to win the battle